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SpaceTigerCross
Gallente Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:53:00 -
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So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out? SpaceTigerCross - The Last of the Cross Familia |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:08:00 -
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Lol IRC, you let ANYONE in it seems.
0.0 is hostile space and unless you are some very benevolent industrial who provides greatly for the alliance then you should be prepared to PVP in fleet ops for your alliance. If everyone was like you then your alliance would be easily steamrollered and lose their space. Makes sense?
At the very least if you can't PVP (but provide greatly for your alliance as I mentioned) then you should still be capable of evading hostiles. Needlessly undocking into a hostile fleet and losing 160m isk isn't generally beneficial to anybody.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
Based on your alliance I'm going to assume that you lost a dual-tanked Raven. Am I correct?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:10:00 -
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Also; how do you lose a pod to a blasterthron in high sec? ~~~
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Captain Shikaka
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:11:00 -
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no way! concord should have intervened and stopped them from killing your ship!
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Sordeo Regius
Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sordeo Regius on 07/06/2011 20:14:20
Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
I'd say as a general rule of thumb, if you see non-blues in local and are not prepared to fight, don't undock.
...and yes generally if you live in 0.0, you are expected to fight regardless of your skills.
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SpaceTigerCross
Gallente Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sordeo Regius Edited by: Sordeo Regius on 07/06/2011 20:14:20
Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
I'd say as a general rule of thumb, if you see non-blues in local and are not prepared to fight, don't undock.
...and yes generally if you live in 0.0, you are expected to fight regardless of your skills.
Its been a while since I've played EVE and not in the habit of checking local, so I undocked without looking... stupid mistake. SpaceTigerCross - The Last of the Cross Familia |
Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jefferson H Clay on 07/06/2011 20:19:06 Generally speaking yes, you need PvP knowledge (different to SP in ships & guns) if you're going to live in 0.0 and lowsec. Simple stuff from insta-undocks, ready made safe spots in your home systems to bounce between, tactical 200KM above/under gate bookmarks and similar. Know your timers and be able to answer the question "Am I living at a kick out?" are also must have bits of info. Setting your client up so Local is in its own window and neutrals appear with little tags next to them in it is pretty much mandatory.
PvP skill set (the raw SP) is optional if your an indie character, doing indie stuff... but knowing how and when to run away properly is a must. It's also anticipated that you'll have sufficient skills to not blow your own foot off when given a gun and told to defend your space.
A lot of PvP knowledge and a modicum of player skill can make even a low SP alt in a frigate annoyingly hard to kill and rather dangerous.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
I moved to 0.0 in my third week of playing. I had freinds here prior though so I had corp mates to help me along. Start training for frigate class (interceptors ect, weapons, navigation, electronics) and work your way towards learning each PvP ships roles. One advantage you'll have from being a bear to start off, is having most your support skills done by now hopefully. Good luck.
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Mr Cocojambo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
0.0 is hostile space and...
EVE is a hostile place, it is a PVP-game after all. So unless you are in carebear-land, at least be awake.
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Ioci
Gallente Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:36:00 -
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80/20 really.
80% of the time you ship and skill to evade because you aren't set up for whatever hostile is camping local. 20% of the time you fit and skill to chase them because they can't beat you and are doing what you did the other 80% of the time. |
daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:37:00 -
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bottom line on PVP is if you undock in or enter 0.0 its no longer solely your choice to make.
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:46:00 -
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Unless you are a miner or industrial with a corp/fleet to protect you, expect PVP no matter what.
In fact that should be your attitude everywhere you go in EVE. You can be suicide ganked at any time in hisec.
According to The Zombie Survival Guide "It's one thing to believe everyone is out to get you, it's another thing if it's actually true."
This is what EVE is. Assume everyone is an enemy, and trust no one. It may be a paranoid way of playing but the paranoid people never get killed.
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Eve Citizen236562342
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:46:00 -
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Unless you are a miner or industrial with a corp/fleet to protect you, expect PVP no matter what.
In fact that should be your attitude everywhere you go in EVE. You can be suicide ganked at any time in hisec.
According to The Zombie Survival Guide "It's one thing to believe everyone is out to get you, it's another thing if it's actually true."
This is what EVE is. Assume everyone is an enemy, and trust no one. It may be a paranoid way of playing but the paranoid people never get killed.
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Brigen sie mich Fegelein! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN FEGELEIN! |
Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
This is what EVE is. Assume everyone is an enemy, and trust no one. It may be a paranoid way of playing but the paranoid people never get killed.
Unless they get spooked, forget the tactical warp and run straight in to the HIC that came through the gate and put its bubble up.
Paranoid good. Paranoid & smart better.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:59:00 -
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You should expect to pvp as soon as you login into this game, this is EvE Online, not a some stupid carebear heaven mmo.
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Bennet Am
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru You should expect to pvp as soon as you login into this game, this is EvE Online, not a some stupid carebear heaven mmo.
This Let the sunshine in. |
Metal Icarus
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:08:00 -
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Judging from all the POSITIVE feedback you are getting, you need a place to learn null sec living. You need to learn how to: A) Don't give your tears every pilot you see B) Not lose your ship doing something everyone said not to C) PVP and make some tearsto line your killboard (on good nights)
I may know of an alliance that has very little standards and may help you in these areas.
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Kobayashi Marru
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Posted - 2011.06.11 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
When u undock, Immediately hit Control + Space, it will make your ship stop moving. This will leave your ship in the Invulnerable state longer, giving u time to see if there is enemy ship, and dock, without having to fly back to the station (as you normally drift from the station after undocking, and by the time u would be able to dock, your ship would be some distance from station, hence stopping ship movement)
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Ford Mersombre
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Posted - 2011.06.11 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kobayashi Marru
When u undock, Immediately hit Control + Space, it will make your ship stop moving. This will leave your ship in the Invulnerable state longer, giving u time to see if there is enemy ship, and dock, without having to fly back to the station (as you normally drift from the station after undocking, and by the time u would be able to dock, your ship would be some distance from station, hence stopping ship movement)
Huh, learn something new every day...
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Skydell
Caldari Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.11 07:58:00 -
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There is no PvP in EVE yet. Once we get multi-Player Incarna, then we will have Player visits Player.
What?
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ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.11 08:09:00 -
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Anyone serious about pve/mining does it in 0.0 and when done right its impossible to die to other players. Also you know you are invulnerable when undocking, so unless you undocked from a kickout station you can just click dock after the session change timer is over, thus your loss was most likely completely unavoidable.
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rampro
Heroes. Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: ThrashPower Anyone serious about pve/mining does it in 0.0 and when done right its impossible to die to other players. Also you know you are invulnerable when undocking, so unless you undocked from a kickout station you can just click dock after the session change timer is over, thus your loss was most likely completely unavoidable.
so many people die and they dont need too
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTigerCross So I lost my ship about 15 minutes ago, my mistake undocked from a station to be welcomed by enemy fire. 160M down the drain, not a huge huge deal, however someone made a comment that im curious about.
They said, If I don't PvP (mainly because I never bothered developing the skills for it beyond the basic stuff needed to rat and mission in terms of anything related to fighting) then why am in 0.0?
So now im curious, is it like a general rule of thumb if your moving into 0.0 space you should expect to pvp and if you dont have the skills stay out?
The general rule of thumb is if you move to low sec /0.0 expect to be engagen in PvP.
Heck even if you avoid all the engagement for months you are still troubled by pvp, or as rincewind does (he has turned cowardice into a fully fledged philosophy of life. He believes that, when running, "to" is never important, what matters is "from". When it was pointed out that running just lands him in more trouble his response was "Yes, but you can run away from that too, that's the beauty of it")
P.S: with all the respect go to 0.0 and complain about pvp it's like be a war reporter and complain that someone can kill you in some random stupid war.
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