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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Ghoest The OP totally doesnt get what going on.
People arent blaming Russians because they are worried about bots.
They are blaming bots because they are worried about Russians.
First Space Zombie's, then Space Robots and now Space Russians.
WTF is gonna invade us next?
What is "gonna invade us next" - probably nothing.
What will cause hysteria next - space whales?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest What will cause hysteria next - space whales?
Well, the Maller hull class has been redesigned, why not the Dominix next? -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Oarta
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:06:00 -
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About the only way I see to limit bots would be make it something where validation comes from something not on the PC.
While really to extreme, but who knows, maybe in the future you will purchase the mining skills for a plex. This will get you sent a Digipass of some sort. Then when you wish to mine, you can use it to unlock 30 minutes of mining. After such time expires, you are unable to mine until you re-validate.
Pain in the ass, to costly to implement, but all those wanting some system would have to consider how inconvenient such a system would have to be in order to be effective.
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment Drake Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:29:00 -
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What if CCP simply removes the minerals on the market that are mined whenever they discover a bot? If they were used in anything, that product is removed and isk sent back. The only time this process wouldn't be put in effect is if it was already made into an asset being used by a player. Or if it caused to much inconvenience to be removed. But by at least removing the bot + any minerals still on the market or in some form of storage. Then people will become more picky about where they get their minerals and it will at least semi balance the economy?
Quote: Don't Panic
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:26:00 -
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Just have belt that you have to scan down, and roid empty of mins. So that you have to survey them to find ore
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Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lenore Leelu
Originally by: Chopper Rollins Confirming the overwhelming majority of bots are Australian.
OP is half right, pack up the miner, undock the ganker.
That can't be right, we only have one Hulk and its held together by Vegemite and Koalas.
And that one Hulk is in trouble because we had some Yanks on board ... and they don't realise that less is more when it comes to Vegemite! There goes the structural integrity of the hull!
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal "The lady doth proesteth too much" or something similar goes the quote.
I have read on here seemingly countless threads from Americans whining about the Russian bots ruining the game.
Yet, when it's getting to Prime Time US Spoiled Brat Kiddy Time I may as well pack up my mining ship and wait for the downtime to reset the ores in the belts.
Yes, the Russians, the Chinese and everyone else who has appeared as a Bogey Man on the 'It's Hollywood So It Must Be True' Rambo/Chuck Norris (repeat ad nauseum) films may have their bots but, By Jove!, not as many as the bloody Yanks.
wow, this is an even weirder conspiracy theory than the russian thing. cool... not.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah What if CCP simply removes the minerals on the market that are mined whenever they discover a bot? If they were used in anything, that product is removed and isk sent back. The only time this process wouldn't be put in effect is if it was already made into an asset being used by a player. Or if it caused to much inconvenience to be removed. But by at least removing the bot + any minerals still on the market or in some form of storage. Then people will become more picky about where they get their minerals and it will at least semi balance the economy?
spend day of mining -> contract ore to another player -> profit and anti-ban protection?
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lenore Leelu That can't be right, we only have one Hulk and its held together by Vegemite and Koalas.
Canadians use Maple Syrup, we are F***ing sick of it on our Pancakes.
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment Drake Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Digital Messiah What if CCP simply removes the minerals on the market that are mined whenever they discover a bot? If they were used in anything, that product is removed and isk sent back. The only time this process wouldn't be put in effect is if it was already made into an asset being used by a player. Or if it caused to much inconvenience to be removed. But by at least removing the bot + any minerals still on the market or in some form of storage. Then people will become more picky about where they get their minerals and it will at least semi balance the economy?
spend day of mining -> contract ore to another player -> profit and anti-ban protection?
Even then it should be removed. It was acquired using illegal means. ISK is fairly much liquid assets. If it can be removed because of RMT, etc, so should any other form of illegally gained assets.
Quote: Don't Panic
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 09/06/2011 09:55:18 Let's say a bot mines 100,000 Tritanium and places it on the market. A manufacturer buys 50,000 of the Tritanium and pools it together with 150,000 he already had. Then he uses the 200,000 trit to build four ships, which he then sells. Four people buy the ships: One gets it blown up in PvP and someone else salvages the wreck. The second runs missions with the ship and accumulates a stack of bounties and LPs. The third fits the ship with faction guns and moves to a wormhole. The fourth buys the ship and re-sells it for profit.
None of the above players knew that the minerals were acquired "illegaly", all transactions happened on the open market.
Now the bot is discovered. What exactly should be removed? All of the ships? One of the ships? Which one? The salvage from the first wreck? The mission rewards the second player got? What should happen to the faction mods of the third, and what to the wallet balance of the fourth? ---
Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal "The lady doth proesteth too much" or something similar goes the quote.
I have read on here seemingly countless threads from Americans whining about the Russian bots ruining the game.
Yet, when it's getting to Prime Time US Spoiled Brat Kiddy Time I may as well pack up my mining ship and wait for the downtime to reset the ores in the belts.
Yes, the Russians, the Chinese and everyone else who has appeared as a Bogey Man on the 'It's Hollywood So It Must Be True' Rambo/Chuck Norris (repeat ad nauseum) films may have their bots but, By Jove!, not as many as the bloody Yanks.
I've always toyed with the idea of making a proposal to ban Russia in its entirety... for just 1 day. Just to collect the data. I'm pretty sure almost all botters and cheaters would be gone. Would be an interesting day, comrade. :)
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment Drake Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 09/06/2011 09:55:18 Let's say a bot mines 100,000 Tritanium and places it on the market. A manufacturer buys 50,000 of the Tritanium and pools it together with 150,000 he already had. Then he uses the 200,000 trit to build four ships, which he then sells. Four people buy the ships: One gets it blown up in PvP and someone else salvages the wreck. The second runs missions with the ship and accumulates a stack of bounties and LPs. The third fits the ship with faction guns and moves to a wormhole. The fourth buys the ship and re-sells it for profit.
None of the above players knew that the minerals were acquired "illegaly", all transactions happened on the open market.
Now the bot is discovered. What exactly should be removed? All of the ships? One of the ships? Which one? The salvage from the first wreck? The mission rewards the second player got? What should happen to the faction mods of the third, and what to the wallet balance of the fourth?
I did state that removal would be ignored if at to great an inconvenience. I'm simply saying that all the original ISK, ore, minerals, and guilty parties should be punished and have it removed outright. Of course once something cycles into the system its almost impossible to remove.
Quote: Don't Panic
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Pubsey
54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:41:00 -
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OP should quit whining because his side lost.
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Joss56
Gallente Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Ghoest The OP totally doesnt get what going on.
People arent blaming Russians because they are worried about bots.
They are blaming bots because they are worried about Russians.
First Space Zombie's, then Space Robots and now Space Russians.
WTF is gonna invade us next?
Space Barbies ________________________________________________
"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
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oh comeon
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal "The lady doth proesteth too much" or something similar goes the quote.
I have read on here seemingly countless threads from Americans whining about the Russian bots ruining the game.
Yet, when it's getting to Prime Time US Spoiled Brat Kiddy Time I may as well pack up my mining ship and wait for the downtime to reset the ores in the belts.
Yes, the Russians, the Chinese and everyone else who has appeared as a Bogey Man on the 'It's Hollywood So It Must Be True' Rambo/Chuck Norris (repeat ad nauseum) films may have their bots but, By Jove!, not as many as the bloody Yanks.
I've always toyed with the idea of making a proposal to ban Russia in its entirety... for just 1 day. Just to collect the data. I'm pretty sure almost all botters and cheaters would be gone. Would be an interesting day, comrade. :)
Not a bad idea actually.
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Im Super Gay
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Im Super Gay on 09/06/2011 12:22:50 Real bots make money ratting in 0.0, not minng in hisec
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:25:00 -
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Sony > We're not selling many PS3's in Russia. CCP > We've got quite a good Russian market, bit worried about RMT though. Sony > How does that help us? CCP > We could cost the RMTers a ton of money by tying sov to dust and forcing them to buy PS3's
Sony & CCP > Deal
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