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Sir Bonkers
Caldari Innovations and Research Telcondar Sean Intergalactic Fan Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:25:00 -
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I have been thinking about this for a while. And in order for the average Eve player to "care" about what goes on the surface of a planet will mean you will have to make a noticeable dent in the player's wallet. Taking over someone's Robotics PI planets are not going to really do that. I mean, what's keeping them from nuking their own command center and moving to another planet. All in all you would be out an hour or less. So I think more valuable things are coming for PI. Here are some of my ideas:
1.) Labs. Everyone knows there are queues up the pooper for copying & ME research at almost any NPC station in hisec and lowsec. So it could make sense for CCP to make a new PI structure for research with the caveat that your BPO has to live on the planet. Now, when someone hires mercs, you will need to do anything in your power to protect it because you might loose a potentially valuable BPO.
2.) Faction POSes. As you may or may not know, faction towers for POSes are no longer able to be acquired. CCP did this with no warning and no explanation to this day. The BPCs no longer drop in exploration sites and plexes like they used to. That is why Faction Large Control Towers are going for billions of ISK when they used to be 1b or less. Planets could be gearing up to make those with some sort of massive factory on the planet itself. Again, if your factory gets attacked, you could be out a lot of stuff for making those faction towers.
3.) Sov upgrades. You like doing those sanctums in your thanatos? Well, CCP could easily make Military V not obtainable without first securing all the planets in the system.
If any or all of those are put into Eve, that will make the average Eve player care a lot about what happens with the console monkeys.
Also, rumors are that Dust514 will be free to own and free to play and driven by micro-transactions for vanity items. If that is the case, then even with the PS3 exclusivity, I think Dust might actually have a chance of being a hit.
(All of the above is 100% speculation from someone who has been a CCP customer for many years.)
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Miss Moist
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:34:00 -
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Or they could release a PC version so non console owning EVE players such as my self and many others could actually be involved with it in some way.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:45:00 -
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how do you make a console fps player care about eve then?
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:50:00 -
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My natural reaction is to ask why the average Eve player has to care about planet surfaces and dust monkeys?
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Sir Bonkers
Caldari Innovations and Research Telcondar Sean Intergalactic Fan Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk how do you make a console fps player care about eve then?
They wont. They will care about their in-game cash flow and a game that (might) be free to own and free to play. As long as Dust players get paid, they couldn't care less about us. They are supposed to be mercs after all. So they shouldn't care about us.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:51:00 -
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Don't confuse "care" with "despise".
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bonkers
Originally by: salty Milk how do you make a console fps player care about eve then?
They wont. They will care about their in-game cash flow and a game that (might) be free to own and free to play. As long as Dust players get paid, they couldn't care less about us. They are supposed to be mercs after all. So they shouldn't care about us.
Mercs who can join our corporations and whose corporations we can join so kind of makes sense they might care about their fleet support for planet operations.
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Unidentified Beauty
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:59:00 -
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Ccp needs to make Planets affect soveirnty or rat and missions or moon mining in 0.0 and lowsec or else eve players won't care and won't actively hire mercs
Why should I pa 50m to mercs to take a 5m command center producing 100k a day profit when I can make 200x more running missions and ratting ]
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Sir Bonkers
Caldari Innovations and Research Telcondar Sean Intergalactic Fan Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Unidentified Beauty Ccp needs to make Planets affect soveirnty or rat and missions or moon mining in 0.0 and lowsec or else eve players won't care and won't actively hire mercs
Why should I pa 50m to mercs to take a 5m command center producing 100k a day profit when I can make 200x more running missions and ratting ]
Bingo
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:18:00 -
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No dude, you cant make me care about a console game, ever. No matter how hard you try.
. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk how do you make a console fps player care about eve then?
1) you dangle a carrot in front of his face, like better gear to shot other dusties 2) you show him how to get that stuff and tie that one to our universe, ie. you give him the ability to put a flag of his own down on the planet and defend it
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: salty Milk how do you make a console fps player care about eve then?
1) you dangle a carrot in front of his face, like better gear to shot other dusties 2) you show him how to get that stuff and tie that one to our universe, ie. you give him the ability to put a flag of his own down on the planet and defend it
And you explain how taking over the right planet could generate huge floods of tears in the Eve playerbase. Sort of like the Causality trailer but with a lowly merc forming a clan and taking over a whole sector.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.08 16:17:00 -
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EVE players will be completely void of the action on a planet's surface. We need a video link established somehow to see what is going on the ground...to even begin to care.
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Victor Bastion
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Posted - 2011.08.18 16:39:00 -
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Why would Dust Players care about Eve?
1. Because they will need our ships to get from planet to planet. 2. Because we could orbital bombard them into "Dust".
Why would Eve Players care about Dust? 1. Because the Dust economy is likely to play absolute HAVOC with the Eve economy for at least the short term. And uncertainty the likes of which this will cause is but the primer for the powder keg that is Dust514. 2. Because a Mass Orbital Bombardment of the first planet Dust players spawn on, at the very moment it goes live, would just be massively fun!
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Colonel MacArthur
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Posted - 2011.08.18 16:56:00 -
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Have to remember a lot of DUST players will love EVE and know about it. Many people have thought EVE was an amazing game but just couldnt get into the playstyle. I love EVE but have just generally enjoyed the faster paces action FPSs can allow. So I will be playing dust with all of my knowledge of EVE and plan on actually making a difference VS someone who just looks at killboards.
Of course that's just my, but I am sure there are a lot of people out there who feel that DUST is a great chance to get in on the EVE community and world.
I am sure CCP plans on doing stuff like the OP said. I doubt they would release Dust with the intention of it not really being meaningful to EVE. I am sure one day people wont fear nullsec because of PVP of other ships. They will fear it because Dust mercs are waiting to pick a fight! No reason a Dust player cant hire a EVE pirate to keep his system clear of players!
Who knows, but I have high hopes.
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Elder Man
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Elder Man on 18/08/2011 17:26:02 If it's too complicated, console players will barf at it. They want targets, not a bunch of nonsense to get to that point. Dust514 will be dead not long after release, if it takes off at all. That's what most console games do, die quickly. There are a few that stay alive, but those are rare. I don't think ccp has what it takes to make that happen.
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Takamori Maruyama
Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:07:00 -
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lolconsole peasants.
Release a PC version and I might look into it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:11:00 -
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Theres pretty much no way they can make me care about Dust.
Planet Side 2 will be my game.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Plyn
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Man Edited by: Elder Man on 18/08/2011 17:26:02 If it's too complicated, console players will barf at it. They want targets, not a bunch of nonsense to get to that point. Dust514 will be dead not long after release, if it takes off at all. That's what most console games do, die quickly. There are a few that stay alive, but those are rare. I don't think ccp has what it takes to make that happen.
I think you're wrong on that. Dust will have a very specific niche in the console FPS world, just like EVE has in the MMO world.
Most MMO players don't care for EVE, because of the steep learning curve, consequences for actions, general persistence, and the fact that you have to actually use your brain a little. Compared to the general MMO world, EVE is only a small part.
There are people who play console FPS that -do- like the idea of being able to skill up their characters, that their fights lead to more than a victory/defeat screen and a kick-out to the lobby. There are some console FPS players who would undoubtedly enjoy the idea of having fought across hundreds of worlds, keeping their memories of those fights like trophies of their accomplishments. There are no real accomplishments in normal FPS like that, aside from occasional tournaments, where only a fraction of a tiny percent of people who play those games get to participate.
That's what will give Dust the edge.
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Takamori Maruyama
Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Theres pretty much no way they can make me care about Dust.
Planet Side 2 will be my game.
After SoE destroying PS1? Are you REALLY sure man?
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Dhaul
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:47:00 -
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I did care about it
And then they dropped xbox support
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.08.18 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Man Edited by: Elder Man on 18/08/2011 17:26:02 If it's too complicated, console players will barf at it. They want targets, not a bunch of nonsense to get to that point. Dust514 will be dead not long after release, if it takes off at all. That's what most console games do, die quickly. There are a few that stay alive, but those are rare. I don't think ccp has what it takes to make that happen.
This, for the most part. Even assuming Dust is a hit (some never catch on at all), all but a few fps die out after a few months when the next big fps comes out. What then? It's a real possibility. Sure, it could be the next Halo II, but I wouldn't assume that it will be.
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