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LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 on 08/06/2011 17:13:07 Due to the fact that 98% of tech III blueprints are copies, it is currently very difficult to buy and sell blue print copies on contracts. Most importantly there is no way to create 'want to buy' contract for BP copies. Not seeing buy order contracts and what people are willing to pay makes it hard to gauge what BPC's are actually worth.
I think the system would work way better if people were able to create buy orders for specific run BPC's, either 1-20 in the case of Tech III. Perhaps just trying this with Tech III BPC's would be a start and see how it works.
Also, on a side note, it would be really nice if you could see how many runs a BPC was by holding the mouse over it.
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LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:52:00 -
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Does anyone know if there is a legitimate reason why 'want to buy' contracts for specific number blue print copies don't exist?
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shady trader
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:30:00 -
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I think you have a faulty premise.
All tech III BP are copies. Are you sure you don't meen the tech2 BPO's from the lottery ?
However the idea of being able to set want to buy for specific values on a BPC is a good one. Instead of searching on a regular basis they could place an add and the seller could find one or make one to suit and then sell it. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.10 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: shady trader I think you have a faulty premise.
All tech III BP are copies. Are you sure you don't meen the tech2 BPO's from the lottery ?
I said 98%, but its probably more like 99.9%. I have seen one Tengu hull original bp. I have never seen any sub system originals. I guess there are a few lucky original owners out there that got grandfathered in when they introduced the invention/reverse engineer system.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
Originally by: shady trader I think you have a faulty premise.
All tech III BP are copies. Are you sure you don't meen the tech2 BPO's from the lottery ?
I said 98%, but its probably more like 99.9%. I have seen one Tengu hull original bp. I have never seen any sub system originals. I guess there are a few lucky original owners out there that got grandfathered in when they introduced the invention/reverse engineer system.
You are misinformed, there are NO T3 blueprint originals.
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LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
Originally by: shady trader I think you have a faulty premise.
All tech III BP are copies. Are you sure you don't meen the tech2 BPO's from the lottery ?
I said 98%, but its probably more like 99.9%. I have seen one Tengu hull original bp. I have never seen any sub system originals. I guess there are a few lucky original owners out there that got grandfathered in when they introduced the invention/reverse engineer system.
You are misinformed, there are NO T3 blueprint originals.
Ummmm, sorry, not really the point, but YOU are misinformed. I have seen with my own eyes a Tengu hull original, received via the lottery system.
Again, not really the point of this discussion. The point is the current Tech III BPC/contract system is FOOBAR not being able to make 'want to buy' contracts for TECH III BPC's.
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Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
Originally by: shady trader I think you have a faulty premise.
All tech III BP are copies. Are you sure you don't meen the tech2 BPO's from the lottery ?
I said 98%, but its probably more like 99.9%. I have seen one Tengu hull original bp. I have never seen any sub system originals. I guess there are a few lucky original owners out there that got grandfathered in when they introduced the invention/reverse engineer system.
You are misinformed, there are NO T3 blueprint originals.
Ummmm, sorry, not really the point, but YOU are misinformed. I have seen with my own eyes a Tengu hull original, received via the lottery system.
Again, not really the point of this discussion. The point is the current Tech III BPC/contract system is FOOBAR not being able to make 'want to buy' contracts for TECH III BPC's.
Lol, there is NO T3 BPO, what you may saw is 1. A SCAM 2. Intact HULL that produce 20 run BPC Max Kolonko |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 13/06/2011 20:29:30
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 Ummmm, sorry, not really the point, but YOU are misinformed. I have seen with my own eyes a Tengu hull original, received via the lottery system.
The lottery system was discontinued in 2006. T3 was introduced in 2009.
So what you're saying is 100% impossible ù no T3 BPOs were handed out through the lottery system because they didn't exist at time. So no, what you saw was not an original. There are no T3 originals. Period.
The problem you're complaining about does not exist. It is not "very difficult to buy and sell blue print copies on contracts" because they're mixed up with BPOs for the simple reason that they are not mixed up with BPOs, since those BPOs have never existed in the game. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 13/06/2011 20:29:30
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 Ummmm, sorry, not really the point, but YOU are misinformed. I have seen with my own eyes a Tengu hull original, received via the lottery system.
The lottery system was discontinued in 2006. T3 was introduced in 2009.
So what you're saying is 100% impossible ù no T3 BPOs were handed out through the lottery system because they didn't exist at time. So no, what you saw was not an original. There are no T3 originals. Period.
The problem you're complaining about does not exist. It is not "very difficult to buy and sell blue print copies on contracts" because they're mixed up with BPOs for the simple reason that they are not mixed up with BPOs, since those BPOs have never existed in the game.
Well to give him some credit the problem really exists, You CAN'T place WTB contract on a BPC. Max Kolonko |
LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 13/06/2011 20:29:30
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 Ummmm, sorry, not really the point, but YOU are misinformed. I have seen with my own eyes a Tengu hull original, received via the lottery system.
The lottery system was discontinued in 2006. T3 was introduced in 2009.
So what you're saying is 100% impossible ù no T3 BPOs were handed out through the lottery system because they didn't exist at time. So no, what you saw was not an original. There are no T3 originals. Period.
The problem you're complaining about does not exist. It is not "very difficult to buy and sell blue print copies on contracts" because they're mixed up with BPOs for the simple reason that they are not mixed up with BPOs, since those BPOs have never existed in the game.
My bad on where it came from, but does not change the fact that I have seen a Tengu hull original with my own eyes.
Obviously you have never tried to sell or buy TECH III bpc on contracts, because it is DIFFICULT to gauge how much copies are worth with no WTB contracts and it is also DIFFICULT to get the BPC's you want because you can't create a WTB contract.
For instance, I have not seen a Liquid Crystal Magnifier Legion for sale on contracts in months. So with no WTB contracts there is absolutely no way to see what people are willing to pay other than just listing copies at random prices and see what happens.
Similar problem with Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu. For a while there was only one 10 run copy for sale on contracts and the dude wanted 250 million for it. Absolutely absurd and I doubt it sold at that price, but the fact remains... there is no EASY way to see what many BPC's are worth without WTB contracts, making things DIFFICULT, ok brah? I never said anything about them being mixed up with BPOs. I simply said not being able to create WTB contracts for TECH III makes things difficult.
I don't see this as a difficult problem to fix. Also holding the mouse over a copy to see how many runs it is would be huge and appreciated by many and could easily go along with this fix to the contract system.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 My bad on where it came from, but does not change the fact that I have seen a Tengu hull original with my own eyes.
And that doesn't change the fact that no such thing exists.
Quote: Obviously you have never tried to sell or buy TECH III bpc on contracts, because it is DIFFICULT to gauge how much copies are worth with no WTB contracts
Have you tried looking for WTS contracts?
Quote: and it is also DIFFICULT to get the BPC's you want because you can't create a WTB contract.
Fair enough, but that has nothing to do with T3.
Quote: I don't see this as a difficult problem to fix. Also holding the mouse over a copy to see how many runs it is would be huge and appreciated by many and could easily go along with this fix to the contract system.
àand depending on how they implemented the recent BPC change, that may or may not run headlong into a couple of pretty nasty technical issues. I seem to recall that those numbers are buried in the second layer of item information and therefore require more DB interaction to get a hold of ù something that doesn't mix well with that kind of instant/mass retrieval. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1 My bad on where it came from, but does not change the fact that I have seen a Tengu hull original with my own eyes.
And that doesn't change the fact that no such thing exists.
Quote: Obviously you have never tried to sell or buy TECH III bpc on contracts, because it is DIFFICULT to gauge how much copies are worth with no WTB contracts
Have you tried looking for WTS contracts?
Quote: and it is also DIFFICULT to get the BPC's you want because you can't create a WTB contract.
Fair enough, but that has nothing to do with T3.
Quote: I don't see this as a difficult problem to fix. Also holding the mouse over a copy to see how many runs it is would be huge and appreciated by many and could easily go along with this fix to the contract system.
àand depending on how they implemented the recent BPC change, that may or may not run headlong into a couple of pretty nasty technical issues. I seem to recall that those numbers are buried in the second layer of item information and therefore require more DB interaction to get a hold of ù something that doesn't mix well with that kind of instant/mass retrieval.
You are making NO valid points in reference to the ability to create want to buy tech III contracts and it seems that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. At the very least this tells me that you are not worth my time and that you have very few friends in real life. That being said......
You are obviously working from a Tech III knowledge base of ZERO. People listing WTS contracts with absurd prices does nothing for determining actual market value. For some of the sub systems it works. Tengu Covert reconfig for instance has enough sell orders that you can get a basic idea. However, like I said before, Liquid Crystal Magnifier Legion for instance, has had no WTS contracts appear for the last 2 months, and I check very often. Perhaps I missed one, but the fact still remains that there are MANY MANY MANY different sub system BPC's that have NO WTS contracts. Not only making it difficult to acquire them, but also difficult to make an accurate assessment of value. A problem that could EASILY be fixed with the ability to create want to buy contracts for TECH III.
Do you want me to sit here are list every sub system bp that has ZERO want to sell orders or are you just going to shut up now?
Your arguments are all moronic and just for the sake of arguing. I have yet to see you make a valid point in reference to the lack of ability to create want to buy contracts for TECH III.
If someone can give me a valid reason why TECH III BP want to buy orders can't and won't exist I'll shut up. Until then, thanks for helping to bump this around until the right people see it and fix a major flaw in the TECH III bp/contract system.
o/
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
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Posted - 2011.06.14 06:32:00 -
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Excellent idea. If it could be coupled with this thread T3 Exhumers and Transportswe might see a new evolution in New Eden.
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LinaSlice KANGAHobothe1
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:47:00 -
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Is there anyone else that is active in Tech III production that cares to comment on this?
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:10:00 -
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There are no T3 original BPO's. Not a possibility; what you saw was photoshopped scam/wool. T3 is reverse engineered from items lifted from sites in WH-Space, and no possibility of BPO. CCP doesn't do that anymore, as it's completely broken. Bad enough there are still T2 BPO's floating around, when they really should be burned with fire.
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