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McBane
Gallente AFK Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:43:00 -
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I've not long come back to the game and salvaging wasn't an option when I last played so I've never bothered getting the skills to try it, in fact loot drops are pretty **** now too so I often don't bother with that either.
So salvagers, am I missing out? Is it worth it? What do you typically get out of it on the average level 4 mission?
Or am I better off not bothering? _______________________________________________ Top 10 things I hate in these forums. *snip* -Oi mod |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:53:00 -
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it depends on the mission and what ISK/hr you make blitzing
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Kiwis23
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Posted - 2011.06.08 23:21:00 -
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If you have Noctis, and ORE industrial skill at least at lvl 4, then it's worth it.
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McBane
Gallente AFK Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:30:00 -
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Well, I don't have the skills but I might train them up & give it a go and see what I think.
I don't do enough missions to be worrying too much about the isk/hr based on LP (and I travel around a bit so spread across agents), but maximising isk from each mission in the shortest time would be useful. If in the time spent salavaging I'd have got more from just running another mission and collecting more bounties then it's not worth the time - guess I'll have to go and work that one out. _______________________________________________ Top 10 things I hate in these forums. *snip* -Oi mod |
Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: McBane Well, I don't have the skills but I might train them up & give it a go and see what I think.
I don't do enough missions to be worrying too much about the isk/hr based on LP (and I travel around a bit so spread across agents), but maximising isk from each mission in the shortest time would be useful. If in the time spent salavaging I'd have got more from just running another mission and collecting more bounties then it's not worth the time - guess I'll have to go and work that one out.
bold selection means that salvaging is not good for you (travel around with 1 or 2 ships?)
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Charis Perceptum
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:37:00 -
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Ok since we are on this route, for those of you that salvage is there a significant gain using the T2 salvager? The tool tip for the equipment and skill book don't really go into any detail honestly.
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McRoll
Minmatar Heatseekers
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:38:00 -
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Since the introduction of the Noctis and loot adjustments from CCP salvage prices dropped like a rock. In regards to that I'd say that salvage is only viable "on the go" with a marauder, because you dont have to spend extra time coming back into the mission and salvaging. See it as a supplementary income while killing npc's and completing the mission objective. I wouldnt bother with salvage if you cant fly a marauder or have a second account to salvage simultaneously while you fly the mission.
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Irongrin Oldman
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:20:00 -
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I am fairly low skilled so missions tend to take a while to complete. Salvaging in my noctis (lvl 2 ore skill) only takes about ~10min and definitly worth it, for me at least. I fill up a Bestower and run it to a trade hub every couple of days, usually gives med around 50-80M or something similar, depending on loot. But if you bump around doing missions (what for?) then maybe bringing three ships with you everytime is not optimal.. :> |
Noddy Comet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:42:00 -
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Fwiw.. I've always looted everything on my main who is now working lvl 3 missions, and my main source of income is from salvaging said missions.
If I were to take the time to salvage each wreck one at a time while running the mission in my Drake or Raven, it would take me FAR longer than it does to finish the mission, fly a jump or 3 back to go get my Noctis decked out with 3 salvagers and the 5 tractor beams (With ORE skill at lvl 3 and training lvl 4), fly back and turn it on in full Dyson cyclonic-suction mode and salvage 10-20 wrecks in a couple of minutes then warp back to turn in the mission.
Rinse and repeat that for 3-5 missions and I have a full Noctis ready for sales, reprocessing, whatever. Since making the jump from lvl 2 to lvl 3 missions my income has increased at least 5 fold and my Noctis paid for itself in a weekend.
But I guess YMMV if you are the type of player that would rather blitz 5+ missions an hour in stead of taking the time to pick up all the free monies left behind from making things go all explodey.
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Baljos Arnjak
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:46:00 -
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Something I've recently been playing around with is to run missions for an hour and bookmark all the spots, then come back with the noctis and salvage an hours worth of missions in about 15-20 min depending on how many systems you have to go to. This works really well when you can complete missions fast.
The noctis is really only a time-saver/money maker when there is a lot of loot and salvage to be had.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:03:00 -
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I salvage all wrecks in missions. Then again, that's made easier by the fact that I always fly missions with my wife, so it goes much faster than it otherwise would. But together we can make quick work of it without a specialized salvaging ship and the ISK we earn for doing it is well worth it. Now that we're in L3's, we're considering turning our Destroyer's into salvage ships, or possibly buying a few Noctis'. ~Gnosis~ |
Sandrestal
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Charis Perceptum Ok since we are on this route, for those of you that salvage is there a significant gain using the T2 salvager? The tool tip for the equipment and skill book don't really go into any detail honestly.
I find with 4 t1 salvagers and 4 tractors, wrecks get hauled in and salvaged so fast that I have a hard time keeping up. T1 salvage rigs are worth it
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Zen Sarum
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:43:00 -
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Time is money.
In general though you only want to salvage battleships to max out your salvage.
These days I don't even bother with guristas as only a few items of generic salvage are any good. Best mission wrecks are Sansha Angel and Blood raider battleships IMO.
...The actual best salvage is T2 from T2 player wrecks... warzone covertops ninja salvaging!...
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:47:00 -
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Its kinda worth it if you don't make rigs, more worth it if you do. ALso, the loot sucks, agreed, but adds up over time. I melt down mission loot and build battleships out of the swag. If you don't stay in one place long thats not an option but selling it always is. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Noddy Comet Fwiw.. I've always looted everything on my main who is now working lvl 3 missions, and my main source of income is from salvaging said missions.
If I were to take the time to salvage each wreck one at a time while running the mission in my Drake or Raven, it would take me FAR longer than it does to finish the mission, fly a jump or 3 back to go get my Noctis decked out with 3 salvagers and the 5 tractor beams (With ORE skill at lvl 3 and training lvl 4), fly back and turn it on in full Dyson cyclonic-suction mode and salvage 10-20 wrecks in a couple of minutes then warp back to turn in the mission.
Rinse and repeat that for 3-5 missions and I have a full Noctis ready for sales, reprocessing, whatever. Since making the jump from lvl 2 to lvl 3 missions my income has increased at least 5 fold and my Noctis paid for itself in a weekend.
But I guess YMMV if you are the type of player that would rather blitz 5+ missions an hour in stead of taking the time to pick up all the free monies left behind from making things go all explodey.
^^This^^ To not salvage is leaving Isk on the battlefield. Running a lot of same level missions results in a significant boredom factor, and salvaging is a break from the grind, especially with a Noctis.
As a long term investment, collecting rig BPs you're most likely to use and stashing your salvage results in being able to rig (T1) any ship you have at a fraction of the cost. It also gives you the option of re-rigging the ship at whim, in event your original rigging didn't work like you thought it would.
Ultimately, missions will no longer be palatable as you move onto other pursuits, salvaging/looting all your wrecks lets that happen sooner.
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Potato IQ
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:20:00 -
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DonÆt know why your moving around so much, but each to their own
If you take more than an hour to complete the bigger missions, then salvage is worth it. When you start completing these in less than an hour, then blitzing will likely net you more. A rough indication, but it worked for me. Really depends on what you want from it. A friend goes through missions quickly, but he also salvages because he likes the manufacture side and the slower change of pace going to a trade hub every couple of weeks to sell his goodies. I think heÆs bonkers, but he enjoys it, and that the important thing
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Darryl Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:35:00 -
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If you do, like 2-3 level 4 missions within an hour and a half, you can spend the next half hour salvaging them and make like another mission's worth of ISK in a fraction of the time. Meta 4 items can sell for a lot.
T2 salvagers are really only needed for wormhole salvaging, where the extra success chance and the high salvage skill are needed just to salvage things. Salvaging 1 is good enough for generic mission salvaging.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Darryl Ward If you do, like 2-3 level 4 missions within an hour and a half, you can spend the next half hour salvaging them and make like another mission's worth of ISK in a fraction of the time. Meta 4 items can sell for a lot.
T2 salvagers are really only needed for wormhole salvaging, where the extra success chance and the high salvage skill are needed just to salvage things. Salvaging 1 is good enough for generic mission salvaging.
The difference between perfect salvaging and less than perfect salvaging is like the difference between a tengu and drake. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Amdor Renevat
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:45:00 -
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I recently switched from salvaging all of my Lvl 4 missions to just blitzing them. I run three ships and I used to have tank/dps/noctis. What I've found is that while the money was good from salvaging the time spent selling everything got annoying. Additionally all of the clicking to get the salvage in the first place got old. I had T2 salvagers and YES they make a difference. With T1 I routinely had modules that had to run two or three cycles to salvage a BS. With the T2's I almost never had to run more than one cycle. Definitely worth the short train up time.
For me the missions aren't about getting the most LP's. I actually like the additional bounties I get because I've increased my dps by 30% or so with the addition of another fighting ship.
TLDR: Salvage is good if you don't find it to be a hassle, if it gets annoying just kill stuff and make up the difference by increasing your dps.
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McBane
Gallente AFK Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: McBane Well, I don't have the skills but I might train them up & give it a go and see what I think.
I don't do enough missions to be worrying too much about the isk/hr based on LP (and I travel around a bit so spread across agents), but maximising isk from each mission in the shortest time would be useful. If in the time spent salavaging I'd have got more from just running another mission and collecting more bounties then it's not worth the time - guess I'll have to go and work that one out.
bold selection means that salvaging is not good for you (travel around with 1 or 2 ships?)
Good point, I've got a couple of Ravens docked with a couple agents i use a bit, but either fitting out a salavager for each or moving around another ship is going to be either a pain in the ass, or take some time to recover the cost.
I think I might try it at one agetn though just to gauge if its worth the effort. _______________________________________________ Top 10 things I hate in these forums. *snip* -Oi mod |
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