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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2841
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:45:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Buck Futz wrote:I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information. Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe. I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014
What a bunch of sissies. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
2238
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:47:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...
How mos unfohtunate. Canna I intwest you in a few new fweighters foh special pwice?
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:22:00 -
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how about not making it viable for them to gank your freighter by moving less valuble stuff at once?
stop expecting game mechanics to change because your lazy |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
131
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:32:00 -
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So......what people have been doing since they realized that freighter pilots existed will suddenly kill the game?
Wat. |
Horatioh Kane
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:13:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:ccp why can't I fit plex to my ship slots?
This would be far too OP. |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
76
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:20:00 -
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So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and.... ....start blapping more freighters. So now freighter pilots are crying.
Next move, CCP?
I'd be down for helping out with any and all freighter ganks once the fall construction season wraps up, but if the recent patches are any indication we'll be seeing 1 Million EHP freighters before the snow flies.
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Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
76
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:49:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Buck Futz wrote:I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information. Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe. I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014
Can't follow the link from here, but assuming it refers to the event I remember, it was an epic day. |
ugh zug
52
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:49:00 -
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do i hear the mournful wailing of a freighter pilot? Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1866
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Posted - 2012.09.12 01:54:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote:Buck Futz wrote:I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information. Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe. I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014 Can't follow the link from here, but assuming it refers to the event I remember, it was an epic day. Oh my god they killed Chribba, you bastards! "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
unloadedx16
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:06:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:unloadedx16 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092
It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.
Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people. While I feel freighters should be a bit more flexible to create strategy and uncertainty, yes you are the only one seeing something wrong there. The freighter pilot had several options at their disposal to avoid that situation, and in fact several of his compatriots made it safely to their destination. Undoubtedly they appreciated the increased profits created by the demand he could not fill. Also you're underestimating the cost of the fully fit Talos which would have had to be T2 with good skills to be successful with those numbers.
If a group of competent pilots want to gank a freighter and they play it right, well... there gonna gank a freighter and their is not a dam thing a big slow turning flying pinata can do about it. And a fully fit T2 Talos costs about 150mill isk. 6 of them add up too about 900mill wich is close to half the cost of a freighter. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1472
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:06:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Can't follow the link from here, but assuming it refers to the event I remember, it was an epic day. Oh my god they killed Chribba, you bastards! He lost it with a covert ops cloaking device? I guess he wasn't expecting to be ganked. Since it was in a 0.5, makes sense... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1714
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:07:00 -
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Veld... doesn't shoot back |
unloadedx16
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:unloadedx16 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092
It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.
Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people. Oh hey look, someone else who bases their argument on "cost should = tank". Please note how if I mission in highsec with a Tengu fitted for fighting against Guristas and I maximize my DPS by fitting BCS with no damage control, I have literally 0% EM and 50% explosive resist. This comes out to about 13k EHP vs. EMP ammo. 4 gank fit thrashers could easy take this down. We're talking about a setup here that's less than a twentieth the cost of the ship. This isn't a rare exception either, there are indeed Tengus doing this, as well as other expensive ships flying about with resist holes doing missions.
1) You can tank a tengu just fine without a damage control. 2) In a tengu you actually have the option to CHOOSE if you want to be tanky or ganky.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Oh hey look, someone else who bases their argument on "cost should = tank".
3) And yes that is exactly what I'm saying. For a big slow ship with no fitting slots and little means of defending itself, cost most definitely should equal cost. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2895
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:34:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :)
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unloadedx16
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:In other words, it's working very nicely.
And in other words it's not??
Tippia wrote:unloadedx16 wrote: I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me.
Indeed. It really shouldn't be that expensive. After all, my 7bn JF only requires 1.5bn or so worth of ships GÇö that's a 5:1 ratio, which is much more reasonable, if still a bit on the low side.
I feel like 1.8bill (cost of talos'x2 for loot drop) should be chump change for a freighter, a ship with one sole purpose, to haul stuff around . Also JF are a different story and are much less risky to use than their T1 counterparts if you have any idea what your doing. If anything JF should be easier to gank. |
unloadedx16
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 04:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:unloadedx16 wrote: Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence..
The evidence points towards the pilot being stupid. This problem is not a matter of balance.
I agree with you, yes the pilot did not make a very good decision for hauling so much isk worth that it would be potentially profitable to gank him (if the loot drop gods are on your side). What I'm arguing is that it should take more than 900mill to gank him in the first place. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 05:23:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:how about not making it viable for them to gank your freighter by moving less valuble stuff at once?
Then they say I'm risk-averse carebear. Even if I use two A-Type EANM as part of the tank... |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
84
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Posted - 2012.09.12 05:41:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :)
What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance.
Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1473
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Posted - 2012.09.12 05:46:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and.... LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :) What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance. Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots. Guess CCP will have to "intervene". Good job with the freighter kills, guys. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
baltec1
Bat Country
2113
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Posted - 2012.09.12 09:20:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :)
You seem to be mistaking valid balance issues with one barge doing the job of the 5 others as whining again. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
2113
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Posted - 2012.09.12 09:23:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:
I agree with you, yes the pilot did not make a very good decision for hauling so much isk worth that it would be potentially profitable to gank him (if the loot drop gods are on your side). What I'm arguing is that it should take more than 900mill to gank him in the first place.
So 6 15 mil frigates should never kill a 2 bil battleship? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
723
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Posted - 2012.09.12 11:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:But really, the first suggestion is the important one. All the rest are for if you don't follow it. Seriously: put the high value stuff into a fully expanded and rigged BR. GǪor the corp hangar of an Orca. More EHP, quicker movement (compared to a freighter/JF), unscannable, and zero reason to gank it since it won't drop any loot. I keep forgetting the Orca!
In this specific case (Orca) the "Pro" gankers choosing to do it knowing nothing will drop from Corp Hangar and Ship Bay only means one thing: assets/profit denial Every one learns very fast alts, like alt corps, are an absolute risk free for major alliances. Hopefully smart people manage to always gather enough intell so this kind of gank is specifically targeted. Since training some Freighter or Jump freighter pilots it's not something you can do in a week or two it's just a matter of some intell and brains to know exactly who does what and for who then take the appropriate measures.
If I ever know some guy movers T2 BPO's+tech+faction DED space stuff in his Orca thinking "hahaha I'm gank proof" then he's incredibly stupid on top of idiot. Assets denial it's a valid tactic and mechanic, not making any profit of said gank it's also a valid consequence since in the end all it matters in the end is the isk denial, not the number of ships involved.
But this you already know it, was just explaining "Pro gank" for dummies brb |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9468
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Posted - 2012.09.12 11:25:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:3) And yes that is exactly what I'm saying. For a big slow ship with no fitting slots and little means of defending itself, cost most definitely should equal cost. No, it really shouldn't, regardless of the ship.
Quote:And in other words it's not?? Don't be silly. Of course it is. Since cost is not a balancing factor, a bunch of cheap ships ruining the day of a much more expensive one is working just as intended. If anything. 2:1 is far too low a ratio and you should be able to get the kill with far less than that, and the JF's 5:1 ratio is much more appropriate. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2927
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Posted - 2012.09.12 11:51:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :) What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance. Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots.
No, I don't expect gankers to stop ganking nor would I want them to. It's just your reply in comparison to how a lot of you gankers reacted to the mining changes... you didn't adapt, you just whined...lol. |
Ghazu
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:08:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :) What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance. Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots. No, I don't expect gankers to stop ganking nor would I want them to. It's just your reply in comparison to how a lot of you gankers reacted to the mining changes... you didn't adapt, you just whined...lol. And here we are again with another whine thread. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
723
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:08:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :) What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance. Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots. No, I don't expect gankers to stop ganking nor would I want them to. It's just your reply in comparison to how a lot of you gankers reacted to the mining changes... you didn't adapt, you just whined...lol.
No, your mistake is that you are putting everyone in the same barge than brainless pawns. Those whining moaning FPS fan boys are only and will always be the brainless idiots thinking kill mining barges with a T1 destroyer is balanced, perma camping low sec gates is normal, bring lvl4's to low sec, etcetera etcetera etcetera. Good gankers don't give and never gave that much importance to mining barge kills when you have permanently and literally thousands of billions worth of stuff being haul in T1 untaked ships, afk freighters, frigates with billions of implants/BPO's/Plex.
30min spent to prepare an exhumer gank (alt scouting/scan etc) it's more then I need to hit F1 and insta alpha the frigate with billions of stuff in his cargo. This is why in my opinion killing mining barges was and will always be pure grieffing and idiots/pawns/special/disturbed dudes business since thinking by their own it's not really their strong point, nothing else. brb |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2929
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:17:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Buck Futz wrote:So, let me get this straight. Miners were getting ganked, so they cried. CCP gave them a one-size-fits all Exhumer that is unprofitable to gank.
So gankers do what they always do, adapt (yet again), organize and....
LOL!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! Good one man..."gankers adapt" Perhaps you've forgotten the Barge fairy tale thread already where you guys have done nothing but whine and cry for hundreds of pages, I am sure it just slipped your mind. Thank you though for the laugh :) What, did you think that gankers are going to stop ganking, simply because solo ganking miners is now impossible? Sorry, thats not happening. They simply find the path of least resistance. Convincing CCP that they screwed up is hard. Killing freighters is relatively easy. Too bad for the freighter pilots. No, I don't expect gankers to stop ganking nor would I want them to. It's just your reply in comparison to how a lot of you gankers reacted to the mining changes... you didn't adapt, you just whined...lol. And here we are again with another whine thread.
So stop whining? |
Ghazu
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:19:00 -
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uh read the op again? |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2929
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:20:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:uh read the op again?
Nah. |
Ghazu
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:22:00 -
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please? |
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