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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2929
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:24:00 -
[391] - Quote
Ok, but only because you asked politely :) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 13:45:00 -
[392] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Since cost is not a balancing factor, a bunch of cheap ships ruining the day of a much more expensive one is working just as intended.
Why I can't find killmail you destroying 2B isk Damnation in 1.0 system?
By your logic, it should be easy kill with 60M isk Tornado. |
Ghazu
178
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:47:00 -
[393] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Since cost is not a balancing factor, a bunch of cheap ships ruining the day of a much more expensive one is working just as intended. Why I can't find killmail you destroying 2B isk Damnation in 1.0 system? By your logic, it should be easy kill with 60M isk Tornado. Fill the cargo to the brim with 215 plexes and we'll give that dice a roll. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:57:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Since cost is not a balancing factor, a bunch of cheap ships ruining the day of a much more expensive one is working just as intended. Why I can't find killmail you destroying 2B isk Damnation in 1.0 system? By your logic, it should be easy kill with 60M isk Tornado. Fill the cargo to the brim with 215 plexes and we'll give that dice a roll.
How about cargo rigs and expanders for extra plex capacity? It's 1.0 security so it's safe right? Even on auto pilot. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:03:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Fill the cargo to the brim with 215 plexes and we'll give that dice a roll.
Do you even know how expensive A-Type EANMs are? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9476
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:06:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Since cost is not a balancing factor, a bunch of cheap ships ruining the day of a much more expensive one is working just as intended. Why I can't find killmail you destroying 2B isk Damnation in 1.0 system? Because I'm not a ganker.
Quote:By your logic, it should be easy kill with 60M isk Tornado. Guess what? It is. Fortunately, it seems Damnation pilots aren't quite as stupid as haulers.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because I'm not a ganker.
Are you saying that Drop Shock isn't your alt?
Tippia wrote:Guess what? It is.
Unless you are using exploits you have still 600k+ EHP to go after your Tornado explodes... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9476
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:30:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Are you saying that Drop Shock isn't your alt? Who?
Quote:Unless you are using exploits you have still 600k+ EHP to go after your Tornado explodes... GǪwhy would you go after a 600k+ EHP one? You go for the ones with <40k EHP and still carrying that kind of cargo. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhy would you go after a 600k+ EHP one?
You said something about the EHP not being a balancing factor. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:36:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:You said something about the EHP not being a balancing factor. No.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
154
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:42:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp... OK, Someone does not get the concept of EVE.
I have not even read the other responses yet, but I am sure most will say much the same thing.
That is an average drop of over 5 bil per freighter. Since drops rarely exceed 50% of total cargo value that means these 4 freighter probably averaged over 10 bil cargo each.
That is a very juicy gank target.
If GOONS didn't gank them someone else would have. hell I would have tried to gank that, and I am not a ganker.
Rule of thumb is don't haul more than 1 bil worth of cargo at a time in a freighter. Although you can push that to about 2 bil without to much risk, 10 bil is just asking to get ganked.
As far as I am concerned this is working as intended. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:You said something about the EHP not being a balancing factor. No.
Last time I checked I would get higher EHP with more expensive stuff like A-Type EANMs and T2 1600mm plates than meta 0 EANMs and meta 0 50mm plates. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:51:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Last time I checked I would get higher EHP with more expensive stuff like A-Type EANMs and T2 1600mm plates than meta 0 EANMs and meta 0 50mm plates. GǪand the cost is not a balancing factor.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand the cost is not a balancing factor.
Then why not go and suicide gank a 600k EHP Damnation? |
Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
32
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:57:00 -
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Why is nobody mentioning a remote armor repair fleet?
It doesn't work? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:01:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Then why not go and suicide gank a 600k EHP Damnation? Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or soGǪ and thus not a worth-while target.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or soGǪ and thus not a worth-while target.
So cost is a factor after all... |
baltec1
Bat Country
2117
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:06:00 -
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Agent Akari wrote:Why is nobody mentioning a remote armor repair fleet?
It doesn't work?
we found one these. Unfortunatly for the frieghter, having an entire armour HAC gang with logi support in your cargo hold isn't as effective as having pilots flying them |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:So cost is a factor after all... Not in balance, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2117
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or soGǪ and thus not a worth-while target. So cost is a factor after all...
Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold! |
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:09:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...
Allow JF's to use their jump dirves in high sec!!
YAY!!!!
Wait, wut?
Ask yourself what those freighter pilots could have done differently (ie, routes, change in business model, selling elsewhere, etc) rather than hauling 21.5 billion ISK in goods thru what, most likely, is highly volatile throttle points in high sec. I just about guarantee you they COULD HAVE done something differently that wouldn't have killed their freighters. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold!
I'm not raging because someone lost 500x PLEX because. I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2117
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:18:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold! I'm not raging because someone lost 500x PLEX because. I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system.
When someone makes it worthwhile it will be done. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:19:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system. Why is that? It seems rather encouraging that some people have the sense to not turn their ships into obvious loot pi+¦atas. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:When someone makes it worthwhile it will be done.
Are you saying that 1,8B in A-Types isn't enough? |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or soGǪ and thus not a worth-while target. So cost is a factor after all... If you don't want to take a risk then why not use something like a noobship?
The cost of the ship is not a balancing factor. It's a factor to choose which target you attack or not. That choice is based on the isk value of what can drop opposed to the ship cost of the attacker. If you were to haul 21 bill worth of cargo in a single ship, you would need something close to 11 bill worth of tornado alpha in EHP to not be a juicy target.
I wonder how many pilot is required to have 11 bill worth of tornado ready to alpha a ship...
EDIT : This si assuming the damnation has close to that much tank. Anything below will make it easyer for it to be a juicy target. Whats the EHP of that 2 bill damnation? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9477
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Are you saying that 1,8B in A-Types isn't enough? Depends on what ships (and how many) are needed to kill it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Depends on what ships (and how many) are needed to kill it.
[Damnation, loot pi+¦ata]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Energized Thermic Membrane II
[Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot]
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Slave Alpha Slave Beta Slave Gamma Slave Delta Slave Epsilon Slave Omega
Of course in fleet so it would benefit from small fleet boost.
Frostys Virpio wrote:Whats the EHP of that 2 bill damnation?
~625k vs RF EMP |
NL Nataku
Manson Family Corcoran State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:28:00 -
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Well ganking a freighter in hi sec has been made ridiculously easy and i don't blame anyone from doing it.
Not just being able to see people go ape **** about losing them, the payoff from doing it can be a quick easy buck. However i do agree there is not a whole lot a freighter pilot can do about it. Sure reduce the amount of value in the cargo will help but in certain cases that would defeat the purpose of doing it in a freighter since you have it to move large stuff around. (those trying to transport stuff like BPO's and other valuable items that have no weight are just asking for it.)
Now i see some people mentioning to set out with a support fleet, but i don't think that would work very well in hi sec seeing as you have to wait for the gankers to agres. At which the support fleet might be to late to take care of them or in the case of logistic ships not have enough time to rep up as long as they have enough alpha.
Now i don't want to see freighters get buffed or something else getting nerfed either, however i do believe that in some manner that setting out with a support fleet would be a great idea, however currently i simply don't see how a support fleet is going to make much of a difference when like described above there is to much alpha on the field.
But anyway this is what makes eve and because of this, things on the market are going change and new possibilities open up. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:39:00 -
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Ganker requirement : hauler EHP/ choosen ship alpha = number of required gankers
Cost of possible gank : number of required ganker * isk worth of ships choosen = total gank cost
gank value : Total hauled asset / 2 = potential average loot
IF potential average loot > total gank cost
THEN You = juicy
ELSE You = Not juicy
END IF
See how the cost of the hauling ship is never included anywhere? That prove it is not a balancing factor. |
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