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Jade Mitch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Mitch on 09/06/2011 12:15:00 One of the ways I try to make a profit through the market, besides mining and manufacturing, is by taking advantage of price differences between regions. It's not as easy as it sounds though and often times my profit margin is so small the broker fee and transaction tax eat it up.
If sellers and buyers could offer volume discounts, it would really get the whole market moving. The way I envision this is that the market tables would not change at all. The discount prices would only appear as static fields on the buy and sell dialogs. The "place buy/sell order" dialogs would have adjustable fields. This could also involve a new skill book or two that effect the maximum number of fields and the maximum range of each field.
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heretic06
Minmatar Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.09 17:57:00 -
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TLDR
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:12:00 -
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I can see the benefits of this.
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Somal Thunder
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Mitch Edited by: Jade Mitch on 09/06/2011 18:01:11
I buy and sell stuff on the market all the time and one thing that I've noticed is how people who sell huge quantities of stuff have to compete with people who are only selling one or a few things. Volume has no function in the market because every buy and sell order is limited to a single price which doesn't change with volume.
If we could include high volume discounts and low volume premiums with our buy and sell orders, it would really get the whole market moving. It wouldn't have to be exceptionally complicated, just some additional information in the advanced buy/sell dialog boxes. The market window wouldn't have to change much, if at all.
After thinking about this for a few days, it just seems like the next logical step in the evolution of the Eve market.
Props on the successful edit, what a pleasant read.
There is a min qty option but nobody ever uses it (also it only works for buy orders), it sounds like you're supposing the inverse, a min quantity for sell orders (or similar functionality). I support this idea.
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Jade Mitch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.10 02:58:00 -
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Thank you. :)
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Kelly Kavanagh
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.10 03:00:00 -
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I support this too.
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Griptus
Caldari COBRA INC Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:37:00 -
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It sounds fun and exciting...
...you might as well forget about it.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:56:00 -
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Bulk discounts happen in the real world because economies of scale allow one to make things for less expense.
That doesn't happen here in EVE.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: shady trader on 11/06/2011 12:06:11 Its a good idea, I think its needs something else added.
Since the current market is based on the retail model, Selling in bulk is more a wholesale business model which tend to have a different tax structure. You should be able to reclaim part of the sales tax's back (maybe a new skill as well to increase it?), base the percentage of the reclaimed tax based on the volume aggregates.
This way it can be come more profitable to sell bulk orders at a discount then sell large numbers of small orders.
The only thing needed now (other then dev interest) is how the bands are determined. Since selling 10 ships would be selling in bulk but selling 1,000 Trit would not. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Jade Mitch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Michela
Bulk discounts happen in the real world because economies of scale allow one to make things for less expense.
That doesn't happen here in EVE.
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Thanks for making my case. Volume discounting is what makes economies of scale possible.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Mitch
Originally by: Michela
Bulk discounts happen in the real world because economies of scale allow one to make things for less expense.
That doesn't happen here in EVE.
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Thanks for making my case. Volume discounting is what makes economies of scale possible.
Many things make economies of scale possible. But, volumne discounts are not one of them. Volume discounts are a result economies of scale.
See, a factory with automation is more efficient than a single craftsman. A farm with combines is more efficient than a single farmer with a shovel and a mule.
If you want volume discounts to naturally take effect, miners should mine faster and faster as time goes on. Otherwise, units harvested over time remains constant.
EVE factories should get cheaper per unit as you make more items.
Neither occurs. If there are no economies of scale at the very foundation of production, how can there be economies of scale at all?
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari Technomage Trilogy Crimson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:34:00 -
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I'm no businessman, but I was under the impression most real world volume sales result from things like storage space inadequacy when you have a surplus, or as a quick liquidation when they're attempting to reach a certain money value quickly.
Obviously, storage space is not an issue in Eve so that's out, but I could see where someone might want to liquidate the 20 drakes they have for some shiny new object or for a mass of capital, but don't want to wait for 20 individual sales, so they put the sell order up with both the individual prices and a shiny, attractive discounted "buy all" option.
-More Pewpew, Less QQ- |
Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.12 07:54:00 -
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Volume discounts happen in real life because corporations setup huge factory runs which decrease their cost per unit. We don't have that concept in EVE. |
Jade Mitch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Mitch on 12/06/2011 10:17:58
Originally by: Michela
Many things make economies of scale possible. But, volumne discounts are not one of them. Volume discounts are a result economies of scale.
When the output of one factory becomes the input of another, there is an additional cost savings that is both the cause and effect of volume discounting.
Originally by: Michela
Volume discounts happen in real life because corporations setup huge factory runs which decrease their cost per unit. We don't have that concept in EVE.
Yes we do. The per-unit cost of installing a job declines as the number of runs increases.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Mitch
Originally by: Michela
Volume discounts happen in real life because corporations setup huge factory runs which decrease their cost per unit. We don't have that concept in EVE.
Yes we do. The per-unit cost of installing a job declines as the number of runs increases.
Do you do any serious industrial production in this game? Because it sure doesn't seem like it.
The amount that the cost reduces is trivial compared to the amount that the materials cost. And, materials do not get cheaper to make more. Each Tritanium takes the same amount of time to produce. This means that this is no benefit (besides more ISK) to mine long periods of time. There is no gain in productivity for long periods.
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Jade Mitch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Mitch on 12/06/2011 14:07:56
Originally by: Michela
Volume discounts happen in real life because corporations setup huge factory runs which decrease their cost per unit. We don't have that concept in EVE.
The primary incentive for volume discounting in real life is that it's always preferable to liquidate as much inventory as possible through the least number of transactions. The cost of production only limits how low you can go. It is otherwise irrelevant when it comes to price positioning.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:11:00 -
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A friend in real life was telling me about Volume Discounts very recently. ____________ ___437261___ ^^My Signature is Better than Yours^^ |
Jade Mitch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:37:00 -
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Just when I think my OP is perfect, I realize something needs to be clarified.
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