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Captain Kryubi
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:03:00 -
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Hello all I started a PvP a bit back and im pretty much set for ECM Ewar. As of now im using a Blackbird to learn and have both cruisers to 5 and frig's to 5 and currently learning electronic warfare ships.
So my question is what PvP to go with FW, Null sec corps, Pirating (I think thats it)?
I hear bad things about FW that its not worth it. Null sec and pirate corps i could imagine would be a bit harder to get into because of loyalty.
Will fleets want me because of EWar or am I just a 3rd wheel?
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:14:00 -
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Amarr vs Minnie is decent. You have the luxury of undocking going a few jumps and shooting stuff. There are some good 0.0 corps out there. If you prefer small scale pvp the only thing that has almsot no blobs these days is probably WH pvp. FW isn't bad to learn from tho. Pirating can be a hassle due to sec status and most of the time they are just ganking noobs who are oblivious to what low-sec entails.
Maybe try agony unleashed? I think 0.0 PvP is the best place to learn if you can find a decent active corp that has a few solid FC's that like to run some ops 2 to 3 times a week. Ewar is useful on a smaller scale. I suggest you spec for a Falcon if this is the route you want to take.
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Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:21:00 -
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Piracy comes with the added benefit of ppl crying to you as you kill them, and there are many really talented pirate corps out there. Convo me in game and I can probably help you find a legitimate pirate Corp. Also.... ECM... Good choice man. You'll love the Rook.
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Manda Rin
Minmatar Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:36:00 -
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Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:38:00 -
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ECM is almost always a welcome addition to a PVP fleet. I would advise flying the modest Blackbird for quite a while before you step up to a Rook or Falcon. Both are notoriously primaried and the Rook has no cloak to hide behind, and therefore dies more often. The Blackbird has great range, is cheaper, and can still be very useful.
Also, once you get electronic attack ships the Kitsune is a fun little ship.
Agony is a great training corp. Kindof a pain in the butt to get into the classes though.
I would not limit yourself to the choices you listed. Try everything! Any corp that is involved in PVP roams (as long as that actually DO roam regularly) or wardecs can use an ECM pilot.
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Zen Sins on 09/06/2011 19:52:05
Originally by: Manda Rin Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
...and then there are the tears ECM causes. You know you've chosen wisely when just talking about your chosen field elicits tears. As an ECM pilot, you will be a force multiplier that can instantly change the outcome of a battle. You will save the ships of tacklers in your fleet on a regular basis and help get your fleet out of fights with zero losses. Loved by your friends, and hated by your enemies. Go forth and JAM THE CRAP OUTTA ALL OF 'EM! |
Manda Rin
Minmatar Sexy Thoughts
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zen Sins Edited by: Zen Sins on 09/06/2011 19:52:05
Originally by: Manda Rin Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
...and then there are the tears ECM causes. You know you've chosen wisely when just talking about your chosen field elicits tears. As an ECM pilot, you will be a force multiplier that can instantly change the outcome of a battle. You will save the ships of tacklers in your fleet on a regular basis and help get your fleet out of fights with zero losses. Loved by your friends, and hated by your enemies. Go forth and JAM THE CRAP OUTTA ALL OF 'EM!
There are no tears here, only disgust
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Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.06.09 22:51:00 -
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Don't fall into the "get into shiny t2 ships" trap, train the support skills first. Training for ass sitting skills in new hulls in deceptively easy in eve. But to fly them with crappy "support skills" is just giving away kill mails.
Falcon skilling takes time.
"type out in fleet the name of the person who is scraming you and I jam him"
Fleets will want you, both for ECCM and scouting.
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Captain Kryubi
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Posted - 2011.06.09 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin
Originally by: Zen Sins Edited by: Zen Sins on 09/06/2011 19:52:05
Originally by: Manda Rin Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
...and then there are the tears ECM causes. You know you've chosen wisely when just talking about your chosen field elicits tears. As an ECM pilot, you will be a force multiplier that can instantly change the outcome of a battle. You will save the ships of tacklers in your fleet on a regular basis and help get your fleet out of fights with zero losses. Loved by your friends, and hated by your enemies. Go forth and JAM THE CRAP OUTTA ALL OF 'EM!
There are no tears here, only disgust
In most MMO's I either play a utility or healing class. I have never thought that I was less of a person. Saying that if you don't play some kinda of damage type class/ship you are disgusting person is somewhat disturbing.I would hate to see what you think of miners.
Thanks for your input though.
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:01:00 -
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Logistics pilots ('healers') are heroes and can make a fight epic. ECM is broken. |
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:25:00 -
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ECM is fine. Granted in 300 vs 300 slug fests it's not going to mean much having 1 or 2 people jamming. But in small scale PvP ECM can turn the scale of a fight.
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Captain Kryubi
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:41:00 -
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Do pirate corps use ECM or would i need to stick with FW or 0.0 corp wars?
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Wensley
Minmatar Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Kryubi Do pirate corps use ECM or would i need to stick with FW or 0.0 corp wars?
Some pirate corps are big, big fans of ECM, others not so much. The place I seem to come across it most often is in gate camping fleets.
To be honest with you, I would suggest that you don't JUST specialise in ECM. It is a perfectly valid and incredibly exasperating speciality but you will learn far more about PvP if you try your hand in skirmishing ships. Look for a corporation that will give you a range of experiences and you're about set wherever they end up being.
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Deerin
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.10 11:36:00 -
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FW is all about small scale gangs and there is always demand for ECM pilot. You don't have to be uber-skilled either. Just have decent skills and be in a griffin/BB and you'll get in gangs fairly easy.
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Laurent Savard
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Posted - 2011.06.10 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin
Originally by: Zen Sins Edited by: Zen Sins on 09/06/2011 19:52:05
Originally by: Manda Rin Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
...and then there are the tears ECM causes. You know you've chosen wisely when just talking about your chosen field elicits tears. As an ECM pilot, you will be a force multiplier that can instantly change the outcome of a battle. You will save the ships of tacklers in your fleet on a regular basis and help get your fleet out of fights with zero losses. Loved by your friends, and hated by your enemies. Go forth and JAM THE CRAP OUTTA ALL OF 'EM!
There are no tears here, only disgust
Apart from the argument as to whether the jamming mechanic is a tad overpowered, I have never understood the disgust for it. Why is jamming so dishonorable, and yet neuting someone till they have no cap and can't do anything is honorable?
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ROXGenghis
Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Laurent Savard Apart from the argument as to whether the jamming mechanic is a tad overpowered, I have never understood the disgust for it. Why is jamming so dishonorable, and yet neuting someone till they have no cap and can't do anything is honorable?
Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to that one! Because there are a lot more counters to other types of ewar than there are to ECM. And because other types of ewar are only effective on certain types of ships, whereas ECM works against everything. And because when other type of ewar are applied to a target, that target still have the potential to do something useful in the fight, whereas with ECM the target basically has to sit there for 20 seconds doing nothing. - sig |
Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.06.10 14:58:00 -
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Notice everyone is *****ing about ECM, it means you picked a good specialization. People hate ECM because it works well and because an ECM pilot can be the crucial member of a fleet that turns the fight. Enjoy the tears :)
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.10 15:48:00 -
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OP,
I will give you an example. Before I retired from PvP I ran a small corp outfit. There was this system that had a lvl 5 agent and an undock that was a spit out. Well in this station were pirates that were caldari heavy(at least cap wise). One day we decided to go play knowing these guys always had 2-3 Chimera's to support them at undock.
We sent over 5 RR Geddons and the fight ensues. Cyno is lit and we drop in 2 Archons for support. They have around 8 BS and 3 Chimera's. What turned the scale of the fight and got us kills was the Falcon I was duel boxing with and he had around 7 caldari racials and we jamed those Chimeras all to hell and proceeded to kill a few of their BS and force the rest to dock in their home system. ECM is awesome and that is just one example of how it can turn the scale of a fight in small scale pvp.
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yopparai
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Posted - 2011.06.10 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Kryubi Do pirate corps use ECM or would i need to stick with FW or 0.0 corp wars?
Kryubi, small pirate corps like ours constantly use ECM to fight above our weight. We are currently running an internship program that you might be interested in.
ASTARTES Recruitment thread
Yopp ASTARTES CORP HR Manager
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.06.10 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 10/06/2011 18:16:02
Originally by: Wensley To be honest with you, I would suggest that you don't JUST specialise in ECM. It is a perfectly valid and incredibly exasperating speciality but you will learn far more about PvP if you try your hand in skirmishing ships.
Rook is one of the best skirmish ships. ECM for mitigating damage, HAMs for dishing it out. No preference for kinetic damage like other Caldari brawlers. Leeroy loves the brawler Rook.
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Wensley
Minmatar Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jude Lloyd Notice everyone is *****ing about ECM, it means you picked a good specialization. People hate ECM because it works well and because an ECM pilot can be the crucial member of a fleet that turns the fight. Enjoy the tears :)
The hate for ECM is that for small gang and solo PvPers it is a no skill required "I win" button for the opposition. I have no problem at all with it as a force multiplier and it works well in medium sized gangs but it is massively over powered in certain areas.
ECM pilots who go on and on about the tears they collect are on the same rung of Eve eliteness as the people who can bait in rookie systems.
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joshua boston
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Manda Rin Since you have chosen to specialise in ECM there are innumerable cowards that would be willing to fleet up with you to minimise any chance that the opposition might fight back. Have fun outnumbering your opposition and taking no risks GTFO.
This man has been JAMMED.
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Sofa Raddis
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Posted - 2011.06.11 01:07:00 -
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What does the scouter say about his power levels?
*cant lock*
BECAUSE OF FALCOOOOOON!!1!
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Wilddragon25
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Posted - 2011.06.11 07:32:00 -
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I will say that I've more fun with ECM than anything else. A former Corp of mind used to do blackbird roams. We get 15-20 blackbirds, T1 fit them and run through nullsec with a dictor or 2, don't think we ever lost a ship, you want tears do that. That's enough ECM to pretty much nulifie a fleet twice it's size.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Rockets ponies and rainbows
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:09:00 -
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Reason why ECM gets so much hate is because it is chance based. And usually you do not remember the ECM pilot missing 3 jam cycles on you. You remember the time he JAMMED YOU FOR 20 CYCLES STRAIGHT BLAFGEAFAS *foam at mouth*.
Other reason why they are hated so much is because most groups of 20 "elite" gate campers when faced with a solo pilot who is willing to engage them undock 4 falcons and jam him permanently for some risk free PvP. God forbid they loose a single ship from all 20 of them against a single guy. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:03:00 -
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If you give FW a go, you'll find that griffins and blackbirds are immensely useful to have in plex fights.
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Vordak Kallager
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:09:00 -
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OP, the problem with running an ECM boat is that most people will avoid fighting you and your gang, leaving you to have to gank unsuspecting targets rather than getting a good, solid stand-up fight, which are ultimately the most challenging and rewarding. I'm not implying that ECM itself is dishonorable or despised, however, the people who use ECM as a means to diminish the risk of PvP to near 0 are despised and dishonorable.
For example, in a BC v. BC 1v1 fight, if you uncloak a dual-boxed Falcon to gain the upperhand, it is a valid tactic, but it is dishonorable and frowned upon in most crowds.
However, if you use ECM to give your gang the fighting edge against a larger or more powerful gang? That is a respectable use for ECM, in my personal opinion.
Like any weapon or tool, it isn't inherently dishonorable, it is merely the people who use it in a dishonorable way that give it such a bad reputation.
As for FW, 0.0 or Piracy, there is no reason you can't be a Pirate and in FW. I've been in FW for the past year and it has been the most fun PvP I've found in this game, relying on individual skill much more than simply parking a battleship and following primaries in those giant 0.0 blobs. (Hyperbole, but I'm sure you get the idea.)
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Minta Contha
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vordak Kallager OP, the problem with running an ECM boat is that most people will avoid fighting you and your gang, leaving you to have to gank unsuspecting targets rather than getting a good, solid stand-up fight, which are ultimately the most challenging and rewarding. I'm not implying that ECM itself is dishonorable or despised, however, the people who use ECM as a means to diminish the risk of PvP to near 0 are despised and dishonorable.
For example, in a BC v. BC 1v1 fight, if you uncloak a dual-boxed Falcon to gain the upperhand, it is a valid tactic, but it is dishonorable and frowned upon in most crowds.
However, if you use ECM to give your gang the fighting edge against a larger or more powerful gang? That is a respectable use for ECM, in my personal opinion.
Like any weapon or tool, it isn't inherently dishonorable, it is merely the people who use it in a dishonorable way that give it such a bad reputation.
As for FW, 0.0 or Piracy, there is no reason you can't be a Pirate and in FW. I've been in FW for the past year and it has been the most fun PvP I've found in this game, relying on individual skill much more than simply parking a battleship and following primaries in those giant 0.0 blobs. (Hyperbole, but I'm sure you get the idea.)
Yeah, but the thing about using "dishonorable" tactics is that they will quite often win you the fight... (I fly a Kitsune btw)
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Vordak Kallager
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Minta Contha
Originally by: Vordak Kallager OP, the problem with running an ECM boat is that most people will avoid fighting you and your gang, leaving you to have to gank unsuspecting targets rather than getting a good, solid stand-up fight, which are ultimately the most challenging and rewarding. I'm not implying that ECM itself is dishonorable or despised, however, the people who use ECM as a means to diminish the risk of PvP to near 0 are despised and dishonorable.
For example, in a BC v. BC 1v1 fight, if you uncloak a dual-boxed Falcon to gain the upperhand, it is a valid tactic, but it is dishonorable and frowned upon in most crowds.
However, if you use ECM to give your gang the fighting edge against a larger or more powerful gang? That is a respectable use for ECM, in my personal opinion.
Like any weapon or tool, it isn't inherently dishonorable, it is merely the people who use it in a dishonorable way that give it such a bad reputation.
As for FW, 0.0 or Piracy, there is no reason you can't be a Pirate and in FW. I've been in FW for the past year and it has been the most fun PvP I've found in this game, relying on individual skill much more than simply parking a battleship and following primaries in those giant 0.0 blobs. (Hyperbole, but I'm sure you get the idea.)
Yeah, but the thing about using "dishonorable" tactics is that they will quite often win you the fight... (I fly a Kitsune btw)
True, but in my opinion, it is more fun to test your own abilities versus their abilities without relying on that Falcon friend to uncloak and save your ass if it looks like you might die.
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Syekuda
Valor Inc. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Kryubi Do pirate corps use ECM or would i need to stick with FW or 0.0 corp wars?
it's rather any good "fleet" will use ewar. A fleet that doesn't have one will be more vulnerable to death if you ask me.
For your question, it's hard to get loyalty and trust in any group of players you join - fw, mercs or null sec corp. It requires time and some investment..in all sorts of way.
In any group you choose you will have blobs so honestly, deal with.
Faction warfare = blobs, good learning curve, if your lucky, you'll get invited to a fleet...if not, make one and have fun in pvp. No security status penalty if you shoot fellow FW enemies
mercs = don't know much but big fleets or blobs are a normal thing with them...I guess. I know good corps that knows what to do...they ain't stupid...some are idiots too.
null sec corp = its an all-dress pizza. You got everything in there. from blobs to solo pvp'ers. big alliances to small corps. like I said ..everything goes...duhh it is nullsec
That's what my rusty mind can remember. correct me if I'm wrong plz. --------------------------------------------------
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