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Oesophagus
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:50:00 -
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I am mining in a hulk, and i checked out the secure container and found that even the giant ones are smallą
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Ikka Sunto
506972617465
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:47:00 -
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As an unrepentant can-flipper, the worst thing you can do to us is use an alt/corpmate hauler. Its the easiest thing in the world to simply transfer from the can to the hauler, while the miner keeps mining. If you engage, you lose. The can-flipper will kill you, that's all he wants to do. Find a corp that has Orca support, that is the number one thing to have when mining. It give you a mobile secure can, mining bonuses, and it is the best option to discourage can-flippers.
Of course, since I am a flipper, my personal wish is for you to take, aggress, or try to re-flip your can. But its your choice.
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Orvus Prime
Minmatar VOLTRON DYNAMICS
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:38:00 -
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I think the best thing to do is train for secure containers and anchor them so this wont happen.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:22:00 -
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Since I got flipped on my third day playing EVE, I invested millions in finding a solution. I fitted my Badger II with enough firepower to KILL disruptive rats while I anchored 28 Giant Secure Cans in a grid-like fashion around the belt. Every can ends up being close to 5000 meters apart, and between 5000 and 8000 meters away from the rocks. Then, while I mine in my Covetor (drones are a must), I park near a can to fill it up then start moving slowly to next can with my lasers still active. (keep within 2500 meters of can to ensure access) This method accomodates me 109,200m3 of secured cargo. After the 2 hours straight of mining, I can then get my hauler and pick it all up (6 cans at a time, by flying by each can in a straight line with top of the line boosters, in 5 trips) Bookmark every 6th can to ensure speedy pick up with my Badger II. (Hell, I even trained up for a Minmatar hauler so now I can pick up 7 cans at a time, in 4 trips)
It sounds TEDIOUS, but moving from can to can keeps me from falling asleep at the wheel, watching lasers. And I feel FREE AS A BIRD, with absolutely no worries of losing my ore. Secure Can fill up management gives me something to do while my lasers are chewing rocks.
Peace.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Servitor 002
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:13:00 -
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Yet another option that seems to work well is to mine in systems away from high populations. Can flippers like large herds to pick their prey from most of the time.
cheers
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami Since I got flipped on my third day playing EVE, I invested millions in finding a solution. I fitted my Badger II with enough firepower to KILL disruptive rats while I anchored 28 Giant Secure Cans in a grid-like fashion around the belt. Every can ends up being close to 5000 meters apart, and between 5000 and 8000 meters away from the rocks. Then, while I mine in my Covetor (drones are a must), I park near a can to fill it up then start moving slowly to next can with my lasers still active. (keep within 2500 meters of can to ensure access) This method accomodates me 109,200m3 of secured cargo. After the 2 hours straight of mining, I can then get my hauler and pick it all up (6 cans at a time, by flying by each can in a straight line with top of the line boosters, in 5 trips) Bookmark every 6th can to ensure speedy pick up with my Badger II. (Hell, I even trained up for a Minmatar hauler so now I can pick up 7 cans at a time, in 4 trips)
It sounds TEDIOUS, but moving from can to can keeps me from falling asleep at the wheel, watching lasers. And I feel FREE AS A BIRD, with absolutely no worries of losing my ore. Secure Can fill up management gives me something to do while my lasers are chewing rocks.
Peace.
Or, you know, find a single friend. Spending all that logistical effort to make the most poorly paid profession in eve viable is loonacy.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:42:00 -
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Couldn't trust you or a single friend even if you paid me. EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Mitchum DuFinn
Gallente WABCO
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Posted - 2011.06.15 01:30:00 -
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A t2 fitted Hulk with cargo rigs and t2 cargo expanders can hold 17,000 M3 of ore. For a solo miner this is the best ship to use for flipper proof mining. You become your own hauler. You can still set up quite a shield tank on this monster but be aware, this ship is pricey. You better really like mining if you're going to invest in one. btw mine has one kill to it's credit during the last hulkageddon. I got lucky in a wormhole while cleaning up a grav site. A stealth bomber dropped on top of me and set off his bomb. My shields were hardened against his bomb and they held up just fine. 10 seconds and 5 hammer IIs later it was all over for the Stealth Bomber. I Recovered my drones and warped away just before his backup fleet arrived. With maxed drone skills, hammer IIs are really nasty critters.
Nothing beats a Hulk when it comes to spoiling the day of a can flipper. Now an exercise for the professional can flipper. Is there any way to successfully/profitably flip Ice cans?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.15 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 15/06/2011 02:23:51 Make a safe spot some where in the system, fill up your cargo, fly to the safe spot and drop your can, then go mine some more. If you rename the first can you drop and note the time, then you can keep track of "when you are".
Do this for an hour, and at the end of the hour, switch to a hauler, go to your safe spot and get your ore. If you're in a small ship, a cruiser or something this may be a pain. But if your safe spot isn't too far from the belt, the turn around time should not be too bad. Book Mark your mining spot in the belt and you won't need to waste any time there either.
Thing to not do is hang out at your safe spot all day and have a picnic. No sense in letting someone discover it.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Mabah Vin
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Posted - 2011.06.15 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:24:58 Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:22:43
Originally by: Oesophagus I have a question,
a can flipper took my ore from a jetcan. If i shoot him does his corp/gang get an aggression count down and if so do they have rights to pod me?
I think you brought up one of the problems in EVE.
'Secure Cans' for example.
Secure cans only work in 0.6 and below.
Why this was done is anybodies guess.
The problem could be solved in two ways..
1.Make secure cans useable in all secs.
2. Report the can flipper for grief play..it is an offense.
nullLinkage
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Oesophagus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:27:00 -
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I would rather have a device which could be included in the can and which would blow up upon flipping :-)
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Oesophagus I would rather have a device which could be included in the can and which would blow up upon flipping :-)
Or do as I suggested and gank the flipper.
Oh wait, effort involved. Sorry.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:54:00 -
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Best strategy, no doubt about it, is to never mine into cans. It only takes about a month to train an alt to fly an Orca. Once you do that, you can easily mine enough in high sec (can-free) with just one Hulk to pay for the alt account with PLEX and have plenty of ISK left over. Or pay with real money and have even more ISK.
But seriously, no cans = no can-flippers.
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Sam Wolfson
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mabah Vin Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:24:58 Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:22:43
Originally by: Oesophagus I have a question,
a can flipper took my ore from a jetcan. If i shoot him does his corp/gang get an aggression count down and if so do they have rights to pod me?
I think you brought up one of the problems in EVE.
'Secure Cans' for example.
Secure cans only work in 0.6 and below.
Why this was done is anybodies guess.
The problem could be solved in two ways..
1.Make secure cans useable in all secs.
2. Report the can flipper for grief play..it is an offense.
nullLinkage
Can flipping and scamming is part of Eve. Annoying... yes, but part of the game. It's the devs way of forcing us to move beyond noob style mining and progress to things like hulks, secure cans and orcas.
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Mabah Vin
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Wolfson
Originally by: Mabah Vin Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:24:58 Edited by: Mabah Vin on 15/06/2011 03:22:43
Originally by: Oesophagus I have a question,
a can flipper took my ore from a jetcan. If i shoot him does his corp/gang get an aggression count down and if so do they have rights to pod me?
I think you brought up one of the problems in EVE.
'Secure Cans' for example.
Secure cans only work in 0.6 and below.
Why this was done is anybodies guess.
The problem could be solved in two ways..
1.Make secure cans useable in all secs.
2. Report the can flipper for grief play..it is an offense.
nullLinkage
Can flipping and scamming is part of Eve. Annoying... yes, but part of the game. It's the devs way of forcing us to move beyond noob style mining and progress to things like hulks, secure cans and orcas.
Perhaps the 'devs' should relieze, this has caused alot of bullying on the part of players.
Also, it is not everyone's 'goal' to fly an orca, go 'pew-pew' and brag about dusting a Velator with a noob who has 20,000 SP.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mabah Vin Perhaps the 'devs' should relieze, this has caused alot of bullying on the part of players.
Also, it is not everyone's 'goal' to fly an orca, go 'pew-pew' and brag about dusting a Velator with a noob who has 20,000 SP.
a) Working as intended b) You don't need an orca to be safe from flippers c) You start with 60k d) It's entirely possible to canflip an orca if you're smart with your social engineering. e) Go back to WoW (etc..)
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Oesophagus
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Posted - 2011.06.16 04:19:00 -
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For the record, i don not resent can-flippers in a real-life way, i just want to kill them in an in-game way.
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Ruiner Drudge
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:56:00 -
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You can always do what I did before I had a hauler alt. Drop a can with a bookmark in it every chance you get, eventually you'll have more than 20 cans floating around. It might not stop them, but if you keep moving the ore between the cans, it should annoy them.
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Ikka Sunto
506972617465
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
d) It's entirely possible to canflip an orca if you're smart with your social engineering.
This is true. Actually can-flipped a hulk and he came back in an Orca and took the can. It was an awesome kill, and the Orca pilot blamed mining for 17 hours straight as the reason he didn't realize the can was mine.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena If you shoot the flipper, only he can shoot back.
once i got caught in trap with can.
Story: guy asked me to "test his tank". Yes, now i know what it was. But that time i was noob. So i agreed. I droped can, he stole it and became red. Then i made shot. And after some time got killed by gank with 4 ships.
I still don't know mechanics of this trap. So would be grateful to get answer. How his gank got rights to kill me?
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mabah Vin
Perhaps the 'devs' should relieze, this has caused alot of bullying on the part of players.
Also, it is not everyone's 'goal' to fly an orca, go 'pew-pew' and brag about dusting a Velator with a noob who has 20,000 SP.
Because mining should be the only completely safe profession in EVE
Because New Eden should not be the cold harsh universe the devs intended
Because everybody really wants to play WoW in space
c/d?
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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