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gazarsgo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:26:00 -
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Nerf ECM, it is invincible
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Glonn
Amarr APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:27:00 -
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Bombs.
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:28:00 -
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Its only invincible as long as people continue to ignore it -_-
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kloma
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:32:00 -
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babylon 5 fielded ECCM vs our jamming fleet, which was part of the reason we lost the rooks. the other being ending up within 30 of 3 faction BS with neuts :D
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Randal Eirikr Its only invincible as long as people continue to ignore it -_-
..because we all know how well ECCM works.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 12/06/2011 18:36:39 It's not unbeatable but seriously OP, at least in small scale warfare.
there's a non module countermeasure for every other EW. And even ECCM is pretty ****ty, especially on small stuff where damps for example are less effective than on bigger targets. ECM is mmore effective on smaller targets than on bigger.
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Glonn
Amarr APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Glonn Bombs.
BOMBS.
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Diamaht Nevain
Gallente Avatar Union
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:08:00 -
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Those fights get boring to watch also. Maybe it would be better if it just caused ships to break their lock instead of denying their ability to fight at all. =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Randal Eirikr Its only invincible as long as people continue to ignore it -_-
..because we all know how well ECCM works.
I know it sounds crazy, but simply destroying the jamming ships did work rather well for us.
We would have tried other things, but most of our pilots are simpletons bordering on mentally handicapped, so we resorted to the obvious solution.
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Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:12:00 -
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Why not just prohibit it's use in the tournament. I think they did that in a previous tourney - I can't remember which.
Still, the tedium of seeing an ECM setup win is almost made up for by the tears of the losers crying about it afterwards
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:14:00 -
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think at least the first three tourneys banned ecm but ecm's fine in 10v10 imo
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tobiaz on 12/06/2011 21:23:07
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Randal Eirikr Its only invincible as long as people continue to ignore it -_-
..because we all know how well ECCM works.
You would, if you actually tried it. Tt takes very few unjammed windows to ruin a ECM-pilot's day and ECCM provides just that.
A problem though is that it can be a bit boring to watch. Adding icons for the active effects on the various ships to the tournament UI would be a big improvement.
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Jaigar
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 12/06/2011 18:36:39 It's not unbeatable but seriously OP, at least in small scale warfare.
there's a non module countermeasure for every other EW. And even ECCM is pretty ****ty, especially on small stuff where damps for example are less effective than on bigger targets. ECM is mmore effective on smaller targets than on bigger.
Hit the nail right on the head. Damps: move closer. Webs: generally you are in range to neut them off (save for huginn or loki). Tracking disruptors: use webs and sit right on top IE dont orbit. ECM? Fit ECCM modules.
I think ECM is breaking the tournament in its current format. With the other forms of eWAR you can conpensate by adjusting your piloting. But with ECM you have to gimp yourself with ECCM. Also smaller ships have a harder time sacrificing tackle or their own offensive eWAR for a slightly less chance to get jammed. So teams are left to A: Fit ECCM which completely gimp them vs. a non-ECM team or B: Fit little or no ECM and be boned by an ECM team. Effectively this turns it into a paper-rock-scissors game.
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Marcus Grisbius
Gallente Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:48:00 -
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If eccm is the only counter to an ecm fleet you can think of then there hasn't been a lot of thinking about it. Besides eccm can be very effective when used right. By that same reasoning, using armor hardeners is gimping a setup because you can't fit more dmg mods. I will say the reason many ecm fleets do well is because they only have to prepare for minmatar and Caldari. While racial jams work well, trying to jam off racial is very tough. Mix it up.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.12 23:06:00 -
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Cant wait till someone copies PL's ECM team....again, and gets rolled -----------------
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.12 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: gazarsgo Nerf ECM, it is invincible
Especially since you guys already know what ships you are going up against.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: gazarsgo Nerf ECM, it is invincible
Especially since you guys already know what ships you are going up against.
Nerf incompetent security in AT testing teams. ~~~
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Jaigar
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Posted - 2011.06.12 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Grisbius If eccm is the only counter to an ecm fleet you can think of then there hasn't been a lot of thinking about it. Besides eccm can be very effective when used right. By that same reasoning, using armor hardeners is gimping a setup because you can't fit more dmg mods. I will say the reason many ecm fleets do well is because they only have to prepare for minmatar and Caldari. While racial jams work well, trying to jam off racial is very tough. Mix it up.
I do know of a couple ways to counter ECM without ECCM, but they are not the easiest. For example, breaking outside their optimal range. But this isnt viable with a close range team. There is another method which Mom 'n' Pop has shown me which can be effective, but I'm not going to say here.
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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.13 01:10:00 -
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I KNOW YOUR SEKRET WAY, FOF MISSILE DRAKE FLEET!
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DHB WildCat
Flash Over. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: DHB WildCat on 13/06/2011 18:42:44 Im going to make this as easy as I can if you really think ecm is overpowered.
Missile ships have these things called "fof missiles", which the hydra guy above me has already stated, What they do is fire "even if jammed" at the nearest ship doing anything to your ship. So if a rook is jamming you load fof get in close and let your missiles hit the rook 8).
Or you could put an eccm on a command ship and then roll them when they miss a cycle. Many, many ways to kill a weak ecm team.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:55:00 -
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FoF missles... duh
I mean the counter to FoF missle fleets is drones, but no one uses those for some reason.
Seriously will someone PLEASE field a FoF smart bomb triple raven fleet please.
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Millie Clode
Amarr Insert Cool Name Here
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:15:00 -
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Yeah I wish CCP would add drones or bombs or something to the game. There's LITERALLY no counter to ECM at all at the moment.
>.< ---------- Who, me? |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:39:00 -
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supers etc ~~~
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DeadNite
Caldari Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:37:00 -
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Anything that is fielded without a counter will seem OP. Rock will always loose to paper and win against scissors. ThatĘs how it works. There is a reason you don't take a knife to a gun fight...etc
PL is the only team that has had massive success with this ECM composition. Anyone who faces them next will have a serious decision to make. Do you counter their ECM and get blown to hell by another composition or do you ignore the ECM build and fall victim to it again.
While I agree that ECMs make for rather boring spectator sport, I canĘt imagine anyone joining a tournament without the intention to win. ================== It is, what it is. |
Gobbins
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 13/06/2011 18:42:44 Im going to make this as easy as I can if you really think ecm is overpowered.
Missile ships have these things called "fof missiles", which the hydra guy above me has already stated, What they do is fire "even if jammed" at the nearest ship doing anything to your ship. So if a rook is jamming you load fof get in close and let your missiles hit the rook 8).
Or you could put an eccm on a command ship and then roll them when they miss a cycle. Many, many ways to kill a weak ecm team.
confirming this
the counter to ecm is FOF missiles
btw the solution to ECM in at is removing racial jammers, alternatively customize points cost of rooks and kitsunes
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DeadNite
Caldari Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:39:00 -
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Another step with dealing with the possibility of an ECM team is using a "pure" team with a single race. Keep in mind the ECM team will likely know what ships you generally prefer to fly looking at kill boards and whatnot so choose wisely. ================== It is, what it is. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.15 10:21:00 -
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Nerf DPS, it is invincible -
I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew... |
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