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Satallius
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Final8ty
Originally by: Satallius How is this even a theft? So he leeft an alliance and took corps with him, and took ISK equal to their fair share... His and the corps he took, they contributed to alliance, yes, and thus they should be entitled to their fair share of the money. Calling it a theft is ridiculous.
Its theft because he did it without permission & that fact you don't know what the definition of theft is is ridiculous & if he truly thought he was entitled then he would of asked first.
You can all keep making excuses for justification all you want but it would never wash in the real world.
Err no. Theft implies taking something that doesn't belong to you. Since they were in the alliance, and help put that ISK there, ie: The alliance ISK ie: belonging in part to them, they were entitled to their fair share, which, if the story in this thread is accurate, is all he took.
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Final8ty
Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Final8ty on 13/06/2011 21:16:15
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Final8ty
Originally by: Satallius How is this even a theft? So he leeft an alliance and took corps with him, and took ISK equal to their fair share... His and the corps he took, they contributed to alliance, yes, and thus they should be entitled to their fair share of the money. Calling it a theft is ridiculous.
Its theft because he did it without permission & that fact you don't know what the definition of theft is is ridiculous & if he truly thought he was entitled then he would of asked first.
You can all keep making excuses for justification all you want but it would never wash in the real world.
Err no. Theft implies taking something that doesn't belong to you. Since they were in the alliance, and help put that ISK there, ie: The alliance ISK ie: belonging in part to them, they were entitled to their fair share, which, if the story in this thread is accurate, is all he took.
He was not the alliance so the ISK did not belong to him & he did not take part of it he took all of what was in the wallet & if there was more then he would of took more, he was also claiming to be taking isk on the behalf of others in support which have then sent emails saying that they are not doing anything of the sort.
If everything is how you make out then there would be no need in the way he went about it all.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:14:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Final8ty
Originally by: Satallius How is this even a theft? So he leeft an alliance and took corps with him, and took ISK equal to their fair share... His and the corps he took, they contributed to alliance, yes, and thus they should be entitled to their fair share of the money. Calling it a theft is ridiculous.
Its theft because he did it without permission & that fact you don't know what the definition of theft is is ridiculous & if he truly thought he was entitled then he would of asked first.
You can all keep making excuses for justification all you want but it would never wash in the real world.
Thank goodness this isn't the 'real' world.
Besides, I'm willing to bet if Lucien had politely asked before taking there would have been a rather swift removal of roles before telling him to go get stuffed.
Now..where are my investigation papers... This kind of thing never tends to end well, but it would seem to be warranted. (Ratzen Fratzen Concord paperwork.) --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Final8ty
Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: Final8ty
Originally by: Satallius How is this even a theft? So he leeft an alliance and took corps with him, and took ISK equal to their fair share... His and the corps he took, they contributed to alliance, yes, and thus they should be entitled to their fair share of the money. Calling it a theft is ridiculous.
Its theft because he did it without permission & that fact you don't know what the definition of theft is is ridiculous & if he truly thought he was entitled then he would of asked first.
You can all keep making excuses for justification all you want but it would never wash in the real world.
Thank goodness this isn't the 'real' world.
Besides, I'm willing to bet if Lucien had politely asked before taking there would have been a rather swift removal of roles before telling him to go get stuffed.
Now..where are my investigation papers... This kind of thing never tends to end well, but it would seem to be warranted. (Ratzen Fratzen Concord paperwork.)
And that is the best reason yet & the only plausible justification instead of well he deserved it anyway so anything goes mentally that is only fitting for a game.
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M'Tar
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.13 22:05:00 -
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If he had asked, and been refused, kicked, whatever, it would be a different story.
If you want to compare how much isk has been given by who, we'll be here forever, I have given ships, pos's, fuel, time to make people ships at cost etc as well, does that mean I can grab as much as I can and run? No.
It all boils down to this. He pre-planned an exit while telling us he was with us. He stole all the isk and goo he could lay his hands on. He is unhappy he has been called out on it publicly, and is compounding it all by trying to justify it, along with the help of alts and outright lies like he tried in alliance chat the other night before he was called out on it.
Look, this thread is not for you, it's for those of us who dislike people who betray our trust. So, please just go back to patting yourself on the back and planning your next theft.
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Owen Drakkar
Bad...Karma
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Posted - 2011.06.13 22:47:00 -
[66]
WTF?
/me passes to the left.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.13 23:04:00 -
[67]
And?
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:04:00 -
[68]
I wanna be in a big alliance with moon goo and POS and outposts and fleet wars...
Nobody lets me play with them.... "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.06.14 05:12:00 -
[69]
Oh well...Lucian has asked that things be put on hold until...a future time..
NO MORE INVESTIGATIONS FOR YOU! (Er...yet) --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Bund
Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.14 08:35:00 -
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Look at all those old buds in here :D
0/ all
Lucian, buy me some plexes will you?
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Chib
Drunken Wookies BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 11:34:00 -
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i think he wanted to join PL but 13B is simply not enough
end of the day any publicity is good publicity amirite
GL WTF, brick has no desire to be involved in your interpolitik
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Braygo Khallazar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:26:00 -
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All I say is - TROJAN TROLLS TO GSF!
Big shame Lucian done this, after the effort he put in, seemed like a Decent bloke.
Props to MEW Ice,PK,Sage & all the TROLL BROSEFS.
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Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:47:00 -
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Lucian and I may not get along, but anyone who steals from WTF is a friend of mine. <3 you guys!
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Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:39:00 -
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If Controlled Chaos were actually an alliance of any note, this thread might be interesting. However, it looks like they can afford two titans, but are still lacking in the good-at-eve department :(((((
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Braygo Khallazar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Braygo Khallazar on 14/06/2011 15:39:43
Originally by: Mickey Simon If Controlled Chaos were actually an alliance of any note, this thread might be interesting. However, it looks like they can afford two titans, but are still lacking in the good-at-eve department :(((((
Proper rage
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 09:29:00 -
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Good luck to my former wtf brosefs. Always thought lucians was an ok guy. Pretty dumb thing to do for such a small amount of isk.
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I likegirls
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.15 09:43:00 -
[77]
EVE-O Forums needs a like button.
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Lucian James
Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:08:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Bund Look at all those old buds in here :D
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Lucian, buy me some plexes will you?
FUSION took YOU in?! They're really scrapin the bottom of that 100yo barrel..
:p
Now that we're neighbors I'm coming to attack you with those augmented drones! Muah. (inside joke)
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Lucian James
Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:56:00 -
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To dispell a lot of lies from the bitter sources.. Here's what was liquid(or near-liquid) and what I took:
9.6bn Holding Corp Isk-Non Master Wallets 0.85bn Holding Corp Isk-Master Wallet 5.0bn Holding Corp Isk withdrawn before I got to it ~5.6bn in Logis (40 logis @ 140mil ea) ~2.7bn Jump Fuel ~3.0bn Tech (<28k x 106k per unit) ~0.55bn Dyspro (33.8k units @ ~16.3k each) ~ .50bn (67.6k units @ 7.4k each [i could be off]) 5.0bn TROLL debt to WTF 19.5bn RESERVE account ~2.0bn Minerals (1-3bn I unstuck & contracted to WTF) ================================= 54.3bn total worth that all corps/pilots contributed to
What I took: 9.6bn non-master wallets (not mucking bill autopay) ~3.0bn Tech (<28k x 106k per unit) ~0.55bn Dyspro (33.8k units @ ~16.3k each) ~1.4bn Jump Fuel ================================== 14.55bn in assets/cash divested = 26.8%
2 of the 9 real corps in WTF have left thus far = 22.2%
If no other corps leave, a ~2.5bn refund is due and will be sent to Gaizzier (neutral party and 100% trustworthy). These things have yet to play out.
By all means, keep referring to me as a thief. It get met lots of blue offerings from other x-NC entities and congrats from pirates.. but it simply is not true.
Thieves wipe you out; I divested our interests in as fair a manner as possible without being told 'NO', as I am sure I would have been, as I would not have done this had I thought otherwise... duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I went so far as to inform WTF about it in a very nice, non-drama, loving, departing alliance evemail.. but half a dozen or so WTF leaders turned it into something as ugly as they've been accused of for a very long time now.
Incidently, most of these guys used to trust me with several hundred billion in cap component bpos, their supercap manufacturing POS's and all of the supers that poured out. I was the CEO of that corp to keep production teams from being able to steal from eachother.. the only one that could steal from them was me.. and not one damn thing was ever touched (minus a week of reimbursed pos fuel :p). They know it's disingenuous to call me a thief.
The only thing I've ever stolen in this game was cap bpo's from x-BOBits that were stealing out corps BS BPOs, their pos's and minerals to build my first Nyx.
When my old corp split off from me, we evenly distributed our assets to the point we were agreed & happy in the end.
I have also made numerous supercap sales as the middle man (take that, Chirba!).
How many tens or hundreds of billions have my fleets entrusted with me for cap raffles?
That's what this was.. as you see.. I'm the originator of WTF.. I brought everyone together to exit MH, placed everyone in their original leadership positions and placed myself in a secondary position because I thought I could trust those I was flying with. Although that was mostly true, not completely which lead me to a point where I had zero confidence in the current state.
WTF was all of ours tho, truly, so I took what was fair (which might yet turn into less-than-fair) and departed for a new world. You have absolutely no right to complain or label me a thief.. as amusing as it's been.
Almost everyone that knows me knows I've never lied (you dont get to play the 'you were two-faced the weekend you left' ...DUHHHHH you Palintard) about business in this game. They know I'm completely trustworthy and reliable with their isk, ships & transactions.. and even their Eve futures.
I'm off to provide better game content to everyone that will follow me than dying in Pure Blind while building a leader a titan and fighting alongside Goons (if PB is gonna die.. save money and GTFO). It's not just honesty, part of why WTF was left with the proper % was so they could also fund their own GTFO. I wouldn't burden anyone with being trapped in Pure Blind or Fade at this point!
Get over yourselves..
-Lucian James / Keef Drow
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M'Tar
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:42:00 -
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Yup, Zebra left to follow you, except they went without the drama you created. We said goodbye, and wished them luck.
You can try and justify your actions as much as you want. You took, without consent, discussion or anyone's knowledge, stuff that was not yours to take. You took all you had access to. Thank god it's partitioned so you couldn't take everything, no doubt you would twist some form of justification for that too.
As I already said, had you simply been open about it, I for one would have agreed to help finance your move. There would have been no hard feelings. You could have brought it up in the alliance meeting. Instead, you let your over inflated ego run away, yet again.
This was entirely your doing Lucian. You chose to create the drama, you chose to steal. Your choices Lucian, none of them forced on you.
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Official WTF Forum Troll. |
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Lucian James
Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: M'Tar You took all you had access to. Thank god it's partitioned so you couldn't take everything, no doubt you would twist some form of justification for that too.
As I already said, had you simply been open about it, I for one would have agreed to help finance your move.
This was entirely your doing Lucian.
Who are you anyway? One day you sound like Sage, the next you don't :p
Had I taken everything I had access to I'd have wound up with over 20bn.
I highly doubt anyone believes that the guy who wants the alliance to spend 40bn+ to buy him a titan right before all of Pure Blind falls and that tech goo disappears.. would let me walk out with our fair share of current isk.
After all, it's directors from other corps that have come to me complaining about your two-faced attitude.. and both them and your x corpies that have concerns you skim off both TROLLs and WTF.. and that you've been skimming your corp for years, Sage Eveo.
You HAVE to call me a THIEF.. and that I stole EVERYTHING because it makes the current WTF members less likely to want to leave you.. fact is I have full api keys to prove your statements are tripe and will provide them to any relevent party once this all comes to a close.
Yes, it was entirely my doing. I call 'em like I see 'em. If you dont want me to do these things to you (anyone), then don't get all two-facey and backstab me, Mr. OhSoInnocent.
As it was stated by several here that I'm both well worth what was divested and that it was fair, I must be honest and say that all of the positive work that Sage put into WTF over the last year is very deserving of a titan (also?), assuming nothing was skimmed, but that's not how it was presented (hey we're out of titans now and the euro time zone is uber and therefore Sage gets one.. esp cuz Sage can and will play in all timezones!! [what a pile]).. and the timing is just terrible.
And you think I have issues.
Get... over... yourself.
-Lucian
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M'Tar
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian James
I highly doubt anyone believes that the guy who wants the alliance to spend 40bn+ to buy him a titan right before all of Pure Blind falls and that tech goo disappears.. would let me walk out with our fair share of current isk.
Did you object in the alliance meeting when I raised buying alliance leaders Titans? No you didn't.
Originally by: Lucian James
If you dont want me to do these things to you (anyone), then don't get all two-facey and backstab me, Mr. OhSoInnocent.
lol, the only one being two faced is you. You preplanned an exit, and then stole isk and goo. You only get to play justified if you had asked and been refused, which btw, you did not.
Originally by: Lucian James
And you think I have issues.
Get... over... yourself.
-Lucian
Might want to take your own advice there pal.
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Indeterminacy
Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 00:03:00 -
[83]
o/
Been playing Minecraft for a couple of weeks. Have I missed anything?
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.06.16 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: M'Tar
Originally by: Lucian James
I highly doubt anyone believes that the guy who wants the alliance to spend 40bn+ to buy him a titan right before all of Pure Blind falls and that tech goo disappears.. would let me walk out with our fair share of current isk.
Did you object in the alliance meeting when I raised buying alliance leaders Titans? No you didn't.
Originally by: Lucian James
If you dont want me to do these things to you (anyone), then don't get all two-facey and backstab me, Mr. OhSoInnocent.
lol, the only one being two faced is you. You preplanned an exit, and then stole isk and goo. You only get to play justified if you had asked and been refused, which btw, you did not.
Originally by: Lucian James
And you think I have issues.
Get... over... yourself.
-Lucian
Might want to take your own advice there pal.
Except that Lucian has given a strong statement indicating that he, in fact, did NOT take all ISK/assets that he had access to, which you accused him of. He gave very specific figures to assets and ISK that he had access to, which should be relatively easy for you to refute with a little accounting.
The fact of the matter is that from what little time I spent in WTF, Lucian James has been nothing less than an upstanding leader, and a fun guy to fly under. True, this may merely be the charismatic facade to a psychopathic individual - but I personally believe that he ultimately had the best interest of us grunts in mind. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Jita Von Trade
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:22:00 -
[85]
BOYS BOYS BOYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
It's a game.
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Lucian James
Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:58:00 -
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Pakhun > f*****
I am amused at how many times XINT's CEO and one of WTF's XO's would call me the derogatory F vowel-consonant-consonant-vowel-consonant word in alliance chat word cuz I ticked him off and I'm gay...
...if I were black and ticked him off like that would he be calling me the derogatory N vowel-consonant-consonant-vowel-consonant word in alliance chat?
It's not like I'm gonna file a petition.. you're welcome to violate the EULA and be a homophobe all you want.. I am more amused at your true colors than offended.
LOL and the xo's have the nerve to evemail me last night saying ZEBRA didn't count as a corp so they want a greater refund. LOL Like any of you even count as people at this point!
-Lucian James Homo FC :p
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:07:00 -
[87]
I thought the whole gay thing was an act to get reactions out of people
Not that I have issue with it either way ;)
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Lucian's Jimmy
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:32:00 -
[88]
posting in support of Lucian
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Woodywilson
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:06:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Indeterminacy o/
Been playing Minecraft for a couple of weeks. Have I missed anything?
I'm un-subbed but am still posting in the forums. epic winsauce. I'll resub if lucian ever posts that pic of his woody again
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glitterbomb
Caldari D00M.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:22:00 -
[90]
Lucian james is a hero. He has liberated himself and his corp from the Nc, best for luck brosef. i hope you and your corp will be happy not having to deal with ******s whoop whoop. also give me a bill
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