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Qwyp
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Posted - 2011.06.15 04:43:00 -
[631]
I don't see a problem with it
I look forward to it, can't wait to paint all mine... I've got quit a bit of plexes ready for playing around with the aurum stuff.
it's quite simple though, if you don't like it, leave. less is best anyhow
Can't wait for incarna but the captain's quarters is just a tiny bit and I want the full walking in stations!!! renting bars and such :)
and the aurum shop has the potential for all sorta customizations and ships and no telling what else....
love it
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:10:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Qwyp I don't see a problem with it
Look closer. Or just read the thread. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:17:00 -
[633]
As I said in another thread.
It was not ignorance, and it was no accident that exchanging gold for in-game items was finalized by CCP first, and exchanging in-game items plus gold is an afterthought.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:21:00 -
[634]
CCP you ****ing suck. Fix this ****. |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:22:00 -
[635]
lol just kinda amazing how out-of-touch CCP are.
Oh well I guess when they make Eve an easy to maintain simple little game for kids they can relax instead of working so hard for nothing.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:29:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Have I mentioned that the EVE community tends to over react/over dramatize much?
It's Eve, of course people over react. If people in the real world could shoot each other in the face and pop out of there house all ready to go again, I'm sure the world would be a much more interesting place.
Yes, it is their property, it is their right to do whatever they want with it, even break it. I am the customer, it is my right to demand the best value for my money. Should that balance be changed in a direction I find unfavorable, I will exercise additional rights as the customer. That is an action I prefer not to take, though will if need be.
As for them being guardians, these most recent developments express otherwise, despite your implied and boastfully authoritative tone.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:42:00 -
[637]
Originally by: Ranger 1 If they wish to run a short term test that affects the economy, that is fully their right. Just as it is our right to suggest (or insist) that they take proper precautions if they do so.
The only testing that needs to be done live is figuring out the proper AUR price for their purposes, and that's not really testing, but rather dynamic balancing ù the idea that it shouldn't cost exactly one Scorp is a complete nonstarter and does not need any kind of testing.
Whether the store works or not ù if it does, indeed, gobble up the right amount of AUR and items and deliver the correct good in return ù can be done on Sisi.
So if they wish to run a short term test of TQ, it's because they've ****ed up somewhere along the line. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Euphonus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:57:00 -
[638]
So... CCP can't refund/reimburse losses that they admit occurred due to their own system glitching because "the looted items are in the economy", but they can create ships out of thin air if you give them money. Awesome.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:58:00 -
[639]
Ships aren't vanity items. Buying Ships for AUR is contrary to the promise that the Micro Transactions would only spawn vanity items.
CCP you're a bunch of liars.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Fighter26
Orion's Fist
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:02:00 -
[640]
CCP, please listen- just require a normal scorp and the paint job is fine... but honestly I wish you could just buy a BPO of the paint job to put on your fav ship.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:03:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Tres Farmer CCP you're a bunch of liars.
They seem to be confirming this with unprecedented regularity recently.
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Taisha Noran Concordia
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:25:00 -
[642]
Most player's will to play would be diminished if this takes effect. CCP has to know better. Hope they respond to all this, it seems ridiculous.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:28:00 -
[643]
When accountants take over the company the business dies. It is especially true for niche game as Eve which was never supposed to bring in millions of subscribers. Now, accountants have found a small breach - vanity items and micro-transactions, and I'm afraid, very quickly they'll dig a huge tunnel where this small breach was and we'll see premium ships, improved ammo, premium modules, etc etc. Actually, they don't even have to invent any special new items, selling faction modules for AUR is just a small step away from selling "special" ships.
And to those who say "this will never happen" I could recommend you to search the forums and finds threads where CCP guys have told us that there will never be any type of micro-transactions in Eve, and a choir of the faithful was reciting those words as the divine truth.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:39:00 -
[644]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 15/06/2011 06:42:01
Originally by: Estephania When accountants take over the company the business dies. It is especially true for niche game as Eve which was never supposed to bring in millions of subscribers.
Exactly. Setting a subscriber target for mass-appeal on a very strong niche product.... Just why... Why kill a niche product with dreams of mass-market.
That article on WoW which showed how to make more money by making your game dumber has a lot to answer for.
edit: That being said, EveOnline is a crappy business. $14.95/mo and SOOOO much work. Compare that to running a **** site or other subscription business with comparable churn rate, twice the revenue and near zero work.
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:45:00 -
[645]
Originally by: handige harrie
And if you really cared about your player market 100%, you didn't even had to make this decision.
Why care about the player driven market when you can care about how to graft teats to the players' wallets instead?
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.15 06:46:00 -
[646]
So when can I start popping Titans into existence with Aurum?? Why start with a scorpion? If you set the price right you could be raking it in ccp.
Also the CSM must resign for their part in this. Instead of saying no, they accepted the unacceptable. Sometimes you should stand up and say no, or quit. Its about taking responsibility.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:07:00 -
[647]
Just a few things:
1) Where was all this rage a week ago when we found out that Dust players are going to be making guns out of thin air with aurum, which then filter through our economy and effect our sovereignty? Or did it just get lost in the Ps3 rage? Either way, it seems CCP doesn't see the problem with creating something from nothing.
2) It's deplorable that the CSM let this get through. A two week test is acceptable? It's acceptable in the way that just a few seconds of raep is acceptable. On this issue the CSM failed to represent the community and failed to protect the sandbox. Shame.
3) It's getting pushed back to August, thank god. Hopefully they'll have the proper exchange mechanics worked out by then, but just in case, EVERYBODY BE READY TO RAGE AGAIN IN TWO MONTHS!
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Fi1ippo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:12:00 -
[648]
The sheer amount of nerd rage in this thread is pretty epic.
Do you honestly believe your green peace type "rally with me and quit" posts are going to stop CCP from continuing on a path that will make them more money? Do you think they will suddenly halt progress because they care soooo much about every one of you? The answer to both is no. They value you as a customer bec you've given them money....when you quit they won't give two ****s about you anymore.
I wouldn't waste efforts on trying to stop them, it will be like standing in front of a speeding train with your arm forward screaming "halt!". You won't succeed.
So quit, we all know you will be back in a few months anyway. Or continue to play as you see fit, since no one is making you buy anything using your money except the 15 dollar per month subscription fee.
"The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick."
From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:12:00 -
[649]
Originally by: Mister Smithington 2) It's deplorable that the CSM let this get through. A two week test is acceptable? It's acceptable in the way that just a few seconds of raep is acceptable. On this issue the CSM failed to represent the community and failed to protect the sandbox. Shame.
It seems more likely that CCP miss-represented the CSMs position.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:13:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Rex Liberium So when can I start popping Titans into existence with Aurum?? Why start with a scorpion? If you set the price right you could be raking it in ccp.
Also the CSM must resign for their part in this. Instead of saying no, they accepted the unacceptable. Sometimes you should stand up and say no, or quit. Its about taking responsibility.
The csm made me laugh with how they responded to the subject and the thread. Now I know why I didn't waste my time voting. Even if they were all for mt they are supposed to represent the players as a whole..and I think it is clear what the players want.
People might say "oh that's just the forum trolls". No..it's someones opinion and for every one opinion on the forums there are a lot on the server who share this opinion and don't post in here.
You can only be one of two opinions in this case..yes to mt or no to mt. Looking at the % of players against mt on this forum..I estimate 80-90%..it should be clear what the players want.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:15:00 -
[651]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Mister Smithington 2) It's deplorable that the CSM let this get through. A two week test is acceptable? It's acceptable in the way that just a few seconds of raep is acceptable. On this issue the CSM failed to represent the community and failed to protect the sandbox. Shame.
It seems more likely that CCP miss-represented the CSMs position.
Two CSM members in this very thread confirmed that they thought a week or two would do no damage and would be acceptable. I'll dig up the quotes if I have to.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:23:00 -
[652]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 15/06/2011 07:23:38
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
This is indeed "not remembering correctly" they DIDN'T want this but they could "live" with one week test...that's as big as a diplomatic PLEASE NO as you can get!
Funny how poorly that reads. Didn't even pay attention to the CSM enough to remember that they had said anything.
Then to say they could live with a week just reads as "Whatever dude, you're not listening, do whatever the **** you like to kill the game"
CCP is clearly showing their stripes, it's over people.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:25:00 -
[653]
Originally by: Mister Smithington
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Mister Smithington 2) It's deplorable that the CSM let this get through. A two week test is acceptable? It's acceptable in the way that just a few seconds of raep is acceptable. On this issue the CSM failed to represent the community and failed to protect the sandbox. Shame.
It seems more likely that CCP miss-represented the CSMs position.
Two CSM members in this very thread confirmed that they thought a week or two would do no damage and would be acceptable. I'll dig up the quotes if I have to.
I'm sure there are 1 or 2 who don't care. The statements show a broken process before what "he said she said" comes into it though.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:32:00 -
[654]
Originally by: Fi1ippo The sheer amount of nerd rage in this thread is pretty epic.
Do you honestly believe your green peace type "rally with me and quit" posts are going to stop CCP from continuing on a path that will make them more money? Do you think they will suddenly halt progress because they care soooo much about every one of you? The answer to both is no. They value you as a customer bec you've given them money....when you quit they won't give two ****s about you anymore.
I wouldn't waste efforts on trying to stop them, it will be like standing in front of a speeding train with your arm forward screaming "halt!". You won't succeed.
So quit, we all know you will be back in a few months anyway. Or continue to play as you see fit, since no one is making you buy anything using your money except the 15 dollar per month subscription fee.
No doubt they are free to do with the game whatever they want. It is our right as customers to stop paying for the product if we don't like it. If they want to turn Eve into WoW in space or Everquest with lasers, gl with that.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:48:00 -
[655]
Let's give a condensed history for those that don't want to sift through this threadnaught, shall we?
ref 1:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [...]Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. [...] The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.[...]
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [...]And if we sell a battleship in a store, that transgresses this important principle.
"Shall I hold this until the store properly supports BPCs or a Scorpion trade-in? Or shall I start selling it now for 3-4 months and then change how we sell it later?"
The CSM had one big question: -Is there any difference between the Ishukone Watch Scorpions sold whole and the ones sold in trade in? (The answer is no.)
They said yes [...]
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel [...] I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. [...] At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:56:00 -
[656]
This:
Originally by: mkint
A really really big problem is that CCP hasn't committed to to shelving it. In fact the dev responses were a pretty clear "we're doing this whether you like it or not, pleasedontunsubscribe." They said "oh yeah I was wrong when I said we're doing it for 3-4 months, what's really happening is we're doing it indefinitely even though the CSM said even 1-2 weeks is too much." Read very carefully. People assume the best when corporate backpedaling is clearly worded to indicate the worst.
That:
Originally by: Vandrion
[...] To elaborate on Tippia's point--- Isk doesn't create itself. A player generates the isk through time and effort at some point. Even if you sold a Plex for Isk some player somewhere else had to earn that Isk. This is one of the missing components in MT period not just the Ishukone Scorp. Any time you can flat out circumvent the in game economy with a Visa there is a problem.
But Mostly:
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
[...] I'm abstaining from every future CSM vote because CCP now think some attention seeking mungos who have all their alliance mates vote for them somehow represents all of us players and they see fit to just do what they want anyway saying "we consulted the CSM".
The old way of rage feedback provoked response from CCP seems to actually work much better than the CSM ever can. Even in this thread it looks obvious to me the CSM "middlemen" are screwing up the communication with/from CCP to the rest of us. They should pay for their holiday to Iceland like the rest of us in future.
This so far has been the biggest failure of CCP but mostly the CSM. The CSM's I have seen in this thread either didn't know what they where talking about, had lousy arguments or couldn't be bothered to even inform what the thread was about. And it was about them (the CSM, in part at least)!
Where is the Doctor in Economics CCP brag's about at every seminar to explain them that if you have magic in a real economy that is bad. What does he have to say about this!
I would love to hear from CCP Dr.EyjoG about all of this, in fact, I think it is needed! ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Karontin Maysubile
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:56:00 -
[657]
I understand the desire to keep RM transactions from our game and would love to be rid of it forever, but I thought we already had MT for years. Isn't the current model $ > PLEX > isk? How is it different from $ > minerals > isk? Seems like more work to me, minerals being bigger and more varied.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:57:00 -
[658]
I wish you simpletons would quit whining about RMT. I long for the day I can use my wealth to crush poor people in Eve like I do irl.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Flesh Slurper on 15/06/2011 07:59:48 There is an easy fix:
Don't sell a ship through the store as a finished item sell a BPC that looks like this:
Shiny scorpion BPC Material requirements: 1 * scorpion Skill requirements: nothing Produces: 1 * shiny scorpion
Wow.. In 10 seconds I just came up with a way to fix the AUR store, and not have the problems with the eve economy or mineral issues. The scorpion is consumed with creating the shiny variant via manufacturing at any station and you need no skills to make it happen. The AUR store doesn't need to support multiple currencies. Problem solved.
So.. where do I collect royalties on my patented idea?
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.15 08:00:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Where is the Doctor in Economics CCP brag's about at every seminar to explain them that if you have magic in a real economy that is bad. What does he have to say about this!
I would love to hear from CCP Dr.EyjoG about all of this, in fact, I think it is needed!
I would love to see his response to this debacle. |
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