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Natalie Dorgiers
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Posted - 2011.06.15 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow As I understand how things are implemented, [paint rigs] would not be possible at present for full paint jobs, but might be a way to implement alliance logos and nose art. Some ideas about these kinds of things were informally discussed over dinners, etc.
Given CCP's tendency to reach beyond their grasp, I'd think something involving decals with existing graphics (current textures plus current corp logos) would be much more reasonable than a whole set of custom ship textures. These would be ridiculously popular, are probably much simpler to implement, and will likely generate a good chunk of the hoped-for revenue. The current special edition ship swap idea has all the look of a massive, poor-ROI labour sink.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:28:00 -
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read up to page 18, then skimmed the rest, so apologies if these have been stated.
better options than releasing the aurship (even for a week):
- wait until the trade-in code works
- paint rigs: would require rework of many functionalities
- BPC: material components=ship(not minerals), manufacture time in seconds. Doing this would invalidate resale on market prior to "painting" though. The inability to stock BPCs shows they are using market, rather than contract code for the noble exchange, and with the emphasis on a secondary market, I can't see this being chosen as an option.
- LP store: nexus chip style would be very kludgy and not be very appealing
The problem with the last couple of these is that unless you are in the correct station (manufacturing slots/LP store), you don't get the immediate "wow" factor of what you have just bought, which will put people off.
in Short, wait until the trade-in code works. ______
Originally by: CCP Veritas In other words, I believe Dogma is doing stupid things, and I intend to beat the stupid out of it before considering giving it rocket boots.
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Iosue /rant The only reason I started playing this game to begin with was because of the player driven market. Almost 4 years ago I read an article in the New York Times discussing this game in great detail, especially the virtual economy that to-date, is the best representation of a real ôfree-marketö in the world. As a RL banker, this possibility seemed fantastic, and I eagerly signed up for a trial asap. Fast-forward 3.5 years; since that day almost four years ago, I now have four accounts on annual subs and have participated in almost every facet of this game. The crazy part is that it still engages me to the point that I read the forums and play the game on a daily basis. ItÆs not the missions or mining that engages me, nor the pvp or exploration. ItÆs the player-driven market that keeps my interest and dollars going to you, CCP. REMEMBER THAT!!!
Once you start prostituting this aspect of the game, you can kiss my arse and my four accounts goodbye. I make good money and have lots of disposable income; IÆve invested over $2,000 in annual subs, the occasional PLEX and RL Clothing via the EVE Online Store over the last 3.5 years. Hell, IÆm even ready to buy a damn PS3 and several copies of Dust514 (for friends) when it releases. Notice, I said IÆve bought PLEX to exchange for isk before, that is not what I have a problem with. You found an ingenious way to incorporate RL $$ for isk to the game and I applaud you for that. MT for existing in-game items w/o including player manufacturers/miners/pirates/traders/etc is not acceptable. MT items for in-game items that affect the outcome of battles, pirating, exploring, etc is not acceptable.
While I am not happy about the idea of MT at all, I can live with some minimal amount of it. As long as it doesnÆt screw with the player-driven market or have meaningful (more than cosmetic) effects in game. Once you decide to go down that road, you will lose my (and many others, it seems) respect and interest in your game, even if only testing it for a month or a week. This is a terrible precedent to set and know that by doing so you are gambling with a lot of playersÆ money. You currently have something that works and that people love. Please donÆt defile it by spoiling the player-driven market aspect of the game. I know itÆs your game and you can do what you want with it, but itÆs my money and my support has strings attached.
This. Well said.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:43:00 -
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And you all thought CCP stops at buying clothes. No, they would never sell non optional stuff...
I toly ya
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Kari Moltov
Amarr Prometheus Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:02:00 -
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tldr.
But did read title.
Eve is great for the developments in the game.
Barring RMT (which you should fix) and your dam plex (which you should remove) the rest is good - don't ruin it.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/06/2011 19:42:49 Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/06/2011 19:40:36
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
some CSMs were apparently of the opinion that a 1-week sale of premium-priced Sparkle-Scorpions probably wouldn't hurt the industrialists who build regular Scorpions. But that is a separate issue from "this is a bad idea in the first place".
Zinfandel's remembrance aside, you guys need to not sign off on CCP's desire to push headlong into MT before the entire endeavor is completed on the development side. Given CCP's track record for implementation and follow up and given the seriousness of MT and it's implications no compromise should be made that allows "unfinished" renditions to enter the game.
I realize you guys have no ability to stop CCP from what it wants to do, abracadabra we're getting MT. But, the CSM must not be so friendly with CCP as to sign off on bad ideas even for supposedly temporary implementation. To do so only gives a certain amount of legitimacy to CCP's actions when they clearly contradict the wishes of the playerbase allowing them to deflect a portion of the player rage onto you guys. After all, CCP frequently throws around that you guys are "representing" us. Whether you are/aren't I'm not debating it. But, I'm sure CCP has no problem using you guys a their own personal versions of human shields.
I'm not a fan of compromise except when it suits my needs, as is true of most people and I'm sure CCP feels the same. There are times to compromise and times not to. Allowing unfinished MT development to enter the game is a time to hold fast!
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/06/2011 19:42:49 Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/06/2011 19:40:36
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
some CSMs were apparently of the opinion that a 1-week sale of premium-priced Sparkle-Scorpions probably wouldn't hurt the industrialists who build regular Scorpions. But that is a separate issue from "this is a bad idea in the first place".
Zinfandel's remembrance aside, you guys need to not sign off on CCP's desire to push headlong into MT before the entire endeavor is completed on the development side. Given CCP's track record for implementation and follow up and given the seriousness of MT and it's implications no compromise should be made that allows "unfinished" renditions to enter the game.
I realize you guys have no ability to stop CCP from what it wants to do, abracadabra we're getting MT. But, the CSM must not be so friendly with CCP as to sign off on bad ideas even for supposedly temporary implementation. To do so only gives a certain amount of legitimacy to CCP's actions when they clearly contradict the wishes of the playerbase allowing them to deflect a portion of the player rage onto you guys. After all, CCP frequently throws around that you guys are "representing" us. Whether you are/aren't I'm not debating it. But, I'm sure CCP has no problem using you guys a their own personal versions of human shields.
I'm not a fan of compromise except when it suits my needs, as is true of most people and I'm sure CCP feels the same. There are times to compromise and times not to. Allowing unfinished MT development to enter the game is a time to hold fast!
This. Give them an inch...
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:25:00 -
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You're wrong. We do have the ability to influence CCP, with our wallets.
I encourage each and every one of you who has a problem with microtransactions and/or purchasing items directly without it having to be built to close all of your accounts.
We all knew this was coming, but heck, this was CCP, one of the coolest game companies around! So we trusted them to just stick with plexes... have they kept their word? or do we need to send feedback through our wallets instead of our ignored forum posts?
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:25:00 -
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Dear CCP:
If you were testing player reaction .. well I think you have your answer
If you honestly thought "Bah.. looks like we can't make it work, lets introduce this game-changing element almost randomly and just hope nothing bad happens"
I've played those "play to win" games before, you know .. the ones you get peddled to you on iPhone "buy 100 magic coins for $0.99!!!" and they are utterly, utterly grim.
For the love of all things new Eden, stop. Stop now, and take a good look at how you are introducing this. Making money is good, we get that ... but ALL these "play to win" games are hopelessly short-lived flash in the pan style things, where players get utterly sick of the financial model after a very short amount of time and quit.
You have new-player retention issues as it is. You put those two together and try to see how long you think your company will last if you **** on the players who have been with you for 8 years.
tl;dr - don't hurt eve
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Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Dear CCP:
If you were testing player reaction .. well I think you have your answer
If you honestly thought "Bah.. looks like we can't make it work, lets introduce this game-changing element almost randomly and just hope nothing bad happens"
I've played those "play to win" games before, you know .. the ones you get peddled to you on iPhone "buy 100 magic coins for $0.99!!!" and they are utterly, utterly grim.
For the love of all things new Eden, stop. Stop now, and take a good look at how you are introducing this. Making money is good, we get that ... but ALL these "play to win" games are hopelessly short-lived flash in the pan style things, where players get utterly sick of the financial model after a very short amount of time and quit.
You have new-player retention issues as it is. You put those two together and try to see how long you think your company will last if you **** on the players who have been with you for 8 years.
tl;dr - don't hurt eve
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.06.15 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 15/06/2011 22:00:42
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 15/06/2011 18:58:07 And you all thought CCP stops at buying clothes. No, they would never sell non optional stuff...
The paintjobs are purely optical -_-
Also this provides a good ISK sink: I WANT THAT! -> Buy PLEX -> Exchange for Aurum -> Buy Paintjob -> ?????? -> PROFIT.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mars Theran on 15/06/2011 22:14:11 It always amazes me how 300 people can argue about something, turn it into a 25 page Threadnaught, and claim that their opinions represent 80% of the playerbase.
edit: That's assuming there are 300 people posting in here. Given there are just over 750 posts, and I know I account for 4 or more of them, and multiple others account for multiple posts, I think it's probably less.
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran It always amazes me how 300 people can argue about something, turn it into a 25 page Threadnaught, and claim that their opinions represent 80% of the playerbase.
Someone is late to the troll party.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: DuKackBoon Also this provides a good ISK sink: I WANT THAT! -> Buy PLEX -> Exchange for Aurum -> Buy Paintjob -> ?????? -> PROFIT.
That is not an ISK sink. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion Linkage
It goes deeper then just a painted scorp.......... That is the thread I posted in the Assembly Hall section of our forum. Take some time to read all the posts not just the first one.
**** that wall of text, paraphrase
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Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 15/06/2011 22:14:11 It always amazes me how 300 people can argue about something, turn it into a 25 page Threadnaught, and claim that their opinions represent 80% of the playerbase.
edit: That's assuming there are 300 people posting in here. Given there are just over 750 posts, and I know I account for 4 or more of them, and multiple others account for multiple posts, I think it's probably less.
I hadnt felt a need to post my displeasure at CCP over this until now. I canceled my account yesterday and it expires in 4 or 5 days. A big ole **** you to CCP!
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DuKackBoon Also this provides a good ISK sink: I WANT THAT! -> Buy PLEX -> Exchange for Aurum -> Buy Paintjob -> ?????? -> PROFIT.
That is not an ISK sink.
yeah in no way does that provide an isk sink, that provides a RL money sink...
up your perception and intelligence
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JeanPant Man
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: JeanPant Man on 15/06/2011 22:31:50 I'll judge it when it actually happens. Until then I'll happily continue playing.
If I were CCP, I'd sell the BPC for $. Requirements for production would be the T1 ship and paint.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Majuan Shuo
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DuKackBoon Also this provides a good ISK sink: I WANT THAT! -> Buy PLEX -> Exchange for Aurum -> Buy Paintjob -> ?????? -> PROFIT.
That is not an ISK sink.
yeah in no way does that provide an isk sink, that provides a RL money sink...
up your perception and intelligence
You are not required to spend RL money on it. You can just buy a PLEX and exchange that for Aurum.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: DuKackBoon You are not required to spend RL money on it. You can just buy a PLEX and exchange that for Aurum.
àbut since no ISK is removed, it is still not an ISK sink. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:10:00 -
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Requiring a normal scorp is the right thing to do but CCP knows that if a player has to buy the scorp that they wont be AS willing to spend the Aurum thus they wont be able to charge as much.
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Gedid Tava
Gallente The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.06.15 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Glyken Touchon better options than releasing the aurship (even for a week): [list=1]wait until the trade-in code works
from another post on this here forum
"However, after getting some feedback on the forums, we decided not to go ahead with this "ship for Aurum" initiative and wait until the store supports trade-ins or BPCs." Se±or Snakebite CCP
This thread needs the good old lock and flush as it no longer is relevant.
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III ZiggyBang
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.16 00:42:00 -
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Quote: Project it far enough and all women are *****s
QFT^^
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Nicol Caius
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Posted - 2011.06.16 00:49:00 -
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ccp,
why would you do this to your player base? we've supported you all these years, watching you grow up. now you want to bend us over and do all sorts of naughty things to our private parts. what gives?
are the millions of dollars we have already pumped into this game no longer enough? we pay monthly subscriptions, plexes, other merchandise to show our support for what you are doing. we are repaid with buggy expansions and calls for micro-transactions. i feel violated and betrayed.
are you no longer able to suppress your viking heritage? must you defile and pillage to teach those that love you a lesson??
why?!?!?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 15/06/2011 22:14:11 It always amazes me how 300 people can argue about something, turn it into a 25 page Threadnaught, and claim that their opinions represent 80% of the playerbase.
edit: That's assuming there are 300 people posting in here. Given there are just over 750 posts, and I know I account for 4 or more of them, and multiple others account for multiple posts, I think it's probably less.
when did someone say they were 80% of the playerbase???
We are just poiting out that 100% of the gameworld can't work with a change. just because a lot of player don't think the stuff they buy i eve comrs from anywhere *minerals are free people* doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:37:00 -
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Frankly this crap doesn't really affect me in any immediate way so I don't feel any need to go ape**** and cancel/pretend to cancel my accounts. If CCP wants to tell an artist or two to spend an hour tops altering the Scorpion texture and then sell them for $15 a pop, then by all means anyone stupid enough to fall for that is really welcome to empty their wallets.
What it does do however, particularly when coupled with recently announced plans (monetizing API apps, selling clothes for $$$, etc), is worry me. Like many a developing studio that has made a name for itself by creating a unique, innovative game (DICE and Bethesda come to mind), CCP seems to be headed towards mass consumerism, shifting its focus from making games to making money. On the surface this seems like a trivial distinction but really it isn't.
Like I said this isn't going to make me ragepost on the forums and bleat about canceling my 234593 accounts and blah blah. But every month when it comes time to refill my game time, **** like this is going to be adding to that voice in my head nagging me not to.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 16/06/2011 01:41:32 lol hahaha
i estimated it would take them at least till next year to open the shop up for ships, but they are crossing the line already NOW? hahaha way to **** on your customer base, this is pretty unheard of.
So, its done now. EVE will become a fully fledged MT-Shop, like Dust and Incarna. Everything will be available for AUR.
Great job CCP, great job.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust CCP seems to be headed towards mass consumerism, shifting its focus from making games to making money. On the surface this seems like a trivial distinction but really it isn't.
CCP shifted their goals a long time ago when Oveur stated that their new goal was to get 300k subscribers (this was in 2007 iirc). Also, neither Oveur or Hellmar have updated ingame avatars, they're grey nobodies. That tells us that they haven't bothered to represent in EVE for the past few months, not really a good sign now is it.
Your post is spot on btw.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.16 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 16/06/2011 01:55:02
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Zverofaust CCP seems to be headed towards mass consumerism, shifting its focus from making games to making money. On the surface this seems like a trivial distinction but really it isn't.
CCP shifted their goals a long time ago when Oveur stated that their new goal was to get 300k subscribers (this was in 2007 iirc). Also, neither Oveur or Hellmar have updated ingame avatars, they're grey nobodies. That tells us that they haven't bothered to represent in EVE for the past few months, not really a good sign now is it.
Your post is spot on btw.
The distinction is huge.
Valve is the Pixar of video game development; they seek to make good games, and the result is quality.
Electronic Arts is like the bulk of the film industry; they're out to make money, and the result is dozens of rehashed games.
Passion means a lot for any product. Given their gaffes over the last three years, CCP seems to have lost theirs quite some time ago. Passion is the difference between setting out to make the best game they can out of a love for what they're doing, and trying to milk as much money from they can out of what other people do. This change in methodologies is eroding the good things about EVE Online and eroding the community's ability to enjoy EVE Online.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Well this whole thread can be closed now, since it's been made clear that CCP are no longer going to be doing the 1 week AURUM for ships test on TQ. Everyone can put their toys back in their prams, grab their dummies and relax again.
Originally by: Gedid Tava
Originally by: Glyken Touchon better options than releasing the aurship (even for a week): [list=1]wait until the trade-in code works
from another post on this here forum
"However, after getting some feedback on the forums, we decided not to go ahead with this "ship for Aurum" initiative and wait until the store supports trade-ins or BPCs." Se±or Snakebite CCP
This thread needs the good old lock and flush as it no longer is relevant.
Hey ****heads, once you work for CCP as Forums mod you can decide for a thread to be locked.. until then you got the option to report it or just plain ignoring it as the rest of us.
As you didn't do either one, it only shows all others here one thing: you're chatterboxes.
Also, for Gedid Tava up there.. check your quotes.. this hasn't been said by Se±or Snakebite CCP but CCP Spitfire
On a personal note I think it's needed to keep the pressure up for a while to show CCP that we care you wannabe moderators.
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