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Helena Vexar	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:03:00 - [1] I am having issues in pvp with battleships, I have decent skills, but the issue is in any fight against anything smaller than another battleship, battleships seem fairly useless. At least in the Amarrian line up. Anyone fighting you thats smart knows to get in under 5000 meters, and once they get there u will never hit them. And battleship speed is not exactly going to keep you out of range. The whole thing seems to make battleship rather useless from what im seeing. Any suggestions?
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:12:00 - [2] Yeah stop flying **** fit ships, and get t2 lazors and scorch (regardless) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13447653 "TWWT"
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:47:00 - [3] Neuts, webs, drones, TE's? ... but generally yes. Battleships are no longer the overruling ship class. ~~~
ThrashPower Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.13 22:53:00 - [4] I am not really having any issue vs small ships in my tempest or machariel, have had issues in my maelstrom as it has no energy neutralizers. Neuts, ecm drones (not that bad against small ships with **** sensor str) or just regular combat drones are your friend. I've seen a couple of solo apocs with 7 guns 1 neut, seemed to work for them. Also they are highly engageable as people think "lol sniper apoc lost his gang", although pro people will notice the missing gun.
POS Skank	Posted - 2011.06.13 23:52:00 - [5] Sheer dps is still the best route I think. Everything else takes to long with the impending blob coming from 1 jump out. You need to be able to kill your opponent in 30-60 seconds. Funny enough amarr bs's are what I like to use the most for this sort of thing. Fit a geddon up with resistance rigs if you dont have the money for trimarks Fit 3 heat sinks + buffer whatever it really doesent matter, screw the mwd you really dont need it since anything that comes within tackle range is: A. To small to hold you B. To big for you to run from or win against anyway Fit a short point and 2 T2 webs, all heavy guns in the highs and a set of Garde II's in the drone bay. I find that when soloing groups of 5-8 players, I can usually take out atleast 2 battlecruisers before I need to deagress or overheat+diaf. Amarr bs's are awesome.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.14 12:25:00 - [6] Edited by: The Djego on 14/06/2011 12:29:36 Originally by: Lady Spank Neuts, webs, drones, TE's? ... but generally yes. Battleships are no longer the overruling ship class. They never where the overruling ship class for solo/small gang during the last 5 years of playing eve(maybe multispec cap** domi or nos powered nano phoon before the nerf). I actually have no idea why people think something like this and I flown and fly BS for solo/small gang on a daily basis. @ OP yes BS are in a somewhat gimped state for solo/small gang since QR regarding here point blank performance, speed and ability to catch stuff. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by:** Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Laurent Savard	Posted - 2011.06.14 12:31:00 - [7] If you want the tank of a battleship but know you are fighting small ships, you could always downgrade your guns to mediums for better tracking, use tracking mods, webs, hell even boosters. A battleship fit like a battleship is for fighting... other battleships. If you want to fight frigates in a BS you would fit it differently.
Sir Oliver Midwestshire Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.14 14:22:00 - [8] Battleships are for fleets, not for solo. The only battleship I can think of that can solo (without alts for backup or a blob) without having any problems is a Dominix. ...Oh and I'm the guy who founded the city between Eastshire and Westshire. Nobody visits it though.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.14 14:48:00 - [9] Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 14/06/2011 12:29:36 Originally by: Lady Spank Neuts, webs, drones, TE's? ... but generally yes. Battleships are no longer the overruling ship class. They never where the overruling ship class for solo/small gang during the last 5 years of playing eve(maybe multispec cap**** domi or nos powered nano phoon before the nerf). I actually have no idea why people think something like this and I flown and fly BS for solo/small gang on a daily basis. How does this change what I said? Should I include a timeline next time with a history of patch changes and their implications. I miss the day small 5 man roaming battleship gangs were the norm, but that's going way way back. ~~~
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:17:00 - [10] Originally by: The Djego They never where the overruling ship class for solo/small gang during the last 5 years of playing eve Solo mega's and geddon's etc. were a common site to see flying around in low sec in 07'-08', whereby bs were becoming cheap enough to be disposable yet it was still in the dyeing days of lowsec being relatively quiet with rare blob traps. EVE Trivia EVE History

The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Lady Spank How does this change what I said? How doesn't it? Originally by: Lady Spank Should I include a timeline next time with a history of patch changes and their implications. I would appreciate this. Do you mean 3 years ago(hilarious, considering this was the high time of the nano age and any target was like 2-10 times faster than you), do you mean 5 years ago(has some merit wouldn't actually agree, but ok). Originally by: Lady Spank I miss the day small 5 man roaming battleship gangs were the norm, but that's going way way back. All I miss the days where you could find other highly skilled BS pilots around that where not faction fitted super tankers unable to catch anything or somebody laming at 150 km in a stabbed sniper. Actually RR battles between small RR BS gangs are kind of boring since they are highly predictable till the points everybody decloaked his falcons. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:55:00 - [12] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: The Djego They never where the overruling ship class for solo/small gang during the last 5 years of playing eve Solo mega's and geddon's etc. were a common site to see flying around in low sec in 07'-08', whereby bs were becoming cheap enough to be disposable yet it was still in the dyeing days of lowsec being relatively quiet with rare blob traps. They where not this common and most simply backed out to station/gate if they really had a good competitor around. If we are talking strictly about solo BS that did force and hunt in a rather aggressive manner, the number was very low in my personal experience and mostly was down to well know pirates that had the need for sentry proof solo pvp gankmobiles. While the price of a well fitted BS drooped over the time, you where always looking at 200-300M for the hull+fitting and rather expensive implant sets to bring it to a point where it gets competitive.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.14 23:29:00 - [13] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Lady Spank How does this change what I said? How doesn't it? Originally by: Lady Spank Should I include a timeline next time with a history of patch changes and their implications. I would appreciate this. Do you mean 3 years ago(hilarious, considering this was the high time of the nano age and any target was like 2-10 times faster than you), do you mean 5 years ago(has some merit wouldn't actually agree, but ok). Originally by: Lady Spank I miss the day small 5 man roaming battleship gangs were the norm, but that's going way way back. All I miss the days where you could find other highly skilled BS pilots around that where not faction fitted super tankers unable to catch anything or somebody laming at 150 km in a stabbed sniper. Actually RR battles between small RR BS gangs are kind of boring since they are highly predictable till the points everybody decloaked his falcons. I assume you don't recall solo nano 'phoons and Domis then. Or even more recently, right up to the web nerf where you could actually solo in an Amarr ship effectively I won't bother reading your posts further since you have proven yourself to be a joke.
Baldour Ngarr Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.14 23:50:00 - [14] Originally by: The Djego They never where the overruling ship class for solo/small gang during the last 5 years of playing eve You'd have to go back to 2003 for a time when BS > all. Then they brought in tracking issues and all of a sudden, bs-sized guns couldn't hit frig-sized targets any more. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." http://eve-search.com/thread/73354/page/1#1
David88x77 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:41:00 - [15] Originally by: POS Skank Sheer dps is still the best route I think. Everything else takes to long with the impending blob coming from 1 jump out. You need to be able to kill your opponent in 30-60 seconds. Funny enough amarr bs's are what I like to use the most for this sort of thing. Fit a geddon up with resistance rigs if you dont have the money for trimarks Fit 3 heat sinks + buffer whatever it really doesent matter, screw the mwd you really dont need it since anything that comes within tackle range is: A. To small to hold you B. To big for you to run from or win against anyway Fit a short point and 2 T2 webs, all heavy guns in the highs and a set of Garde II's in the drone bay. I find that when soloing groups of 5-8 players, I can usually take out atleast 2 battlecruisers before I need to deagress or overheat+diaf. Amarr bs's are awesome. Armor resist rigs run approximately the same as for trimarks. Unless you were talking about a shield geddon... 1 web is absolute minimum on a solo bs. Neuts are good, flight of ewar drones are good too. Try to have a web+scram or warp disruptor+2 webs. Shield tank bs are fun with high damage, but you will probably need at least 1 more person to help tackle and more face ** dps cause of pretty low ehp for an actual fight. Battleships are not the win button. But they are very good and blowing ** up, and losing a t2 fit battleship is not very expensive after all the loot you will collect from stupid dramiels mwding straight at you who have faction tackle/propulsion mods. o/
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.15 07:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Lady Spank I assume you don't recall solo nano 'phoons and Domis then. Originally by: The Djego (maybe multispec cap domi or nos powered nano phoon before the nerf) Obviously I don't. Originally by: The Djego Or even more recently, right up to the web nerf where you could actually solo in an Amarr ship effectively Like this guy? Or that one? Beside this amarr BS where always kind of bad for catching people since they where low on meds and kind of slow. But yeah, given that I was mostly flying solo/small gang megas I hardly noticed the changes in this particular patch. Originally by: Lady Spank I won't bother reading your posts further since you have proven yourself to be a joke. Ok. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Evolution1979	Posted - 2011.06.15 09:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Sir Oliver Midwestshire Battleships are for fleets, not for solo. The only battleship I can think of that can solo (without alts for backup or a blob) without having any problems is a Dominix. LOL @ the Domi. Imo thats at best a RR/NEUT boat. Machariel is best solo BS in the game really. Flies like a cruiser and hits like a BS
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.06.15 10:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Evolution1979 Originally by: Sir Oliver Midwestshire Battleships are for fleets, not for solo. The only battleship I can think of that can solo (without alts for backup or a blob) without having any problems is a Dominix. LOL @ the Domi. Imo thats at best a RR/NEUT boat. Machariel is best solo BS in the game really. Flies like a cruiser and hits like a BS Sticking my hand up for the Typhoon! think of it as the hurricanes big brother with more hitpoints and nastier neutin'. a drone bay as big as a domi but faster and able to hit things with its guns (or missiles ). - Nulla Curas
King Rothgar Path of the Fallen	Posted - 2011.06.15 11:08:00 - [19] BS's are fine, as the first responder pointed out, you're just terrible. Though a properly fit abaddon probably won't kill a vaga 1v1, you can certainly chase him off without any trouble. You simply had a god awful fit with equally bad player skill and probably SP too. A "reasonably skilled" BS is one with all t2 gear (guns included) but no where near maxed (ie BS4, gunnery support at 4, drone interfacing 4 and so on). It's also worth noting that BC's are the go to ship for swatting HAC's, not BS's. BS's are more for killing BC's, capitals and other BS's. That's not to say BS's can't take frigates and cruisers, it just isn't optimal generally speaking. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Niveon	Posted - 2011.06.15 11:49:00 - [20] Originally by: ChromeStriker the Typhoon... a drone bay as big as a domi Not even half the size actually. But probably the second largest.

ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.06.15 11:57:00 - [21] Fixed - Nulla Curas


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