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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:52:00 -
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The following report went up on the BBC news website today:
The hacker group Lulz Security has opened a telephone request line so its fans can suggest potential targets. It claims to have launched denial of service attacks on several websites as a result, although it did not detail which ones.
The unspecified hacks formed part of a wave of security breaches that the group called Titanic Takeover Tuesday.
LulzSec has risen to prominence in recent months by attacking Sony, Nintendo and several US broadcasters. The group publicised the telephone hotline on its Twitter feed. Callers to the US number are met with a recorded message, in a heavy French accent, by an individual calling themself Pierre Dubois. While the 614 area code appears to relate to the state of Ohio, it is unlikely that this is its real location.
Lulz Security said it had used distributed denial of service attacks (DDoS) against eight sites suggested by callers. It also claimed to have hit the websites of gaming magazine The Escapist, and multiplayer games EVE Online and League of Legends. DDoS attacks typically involve crashing a website by inundating it with requests from computers under the attacker's control. When a site is brought down, it is often vulnerable to further security breaches.
Little is known about Lulz Security, other than their apparent "hacktivist' motivation. The organisations and companies that it targets are often portrayed as having acted against the interests of citizens or consumers. Its high profile attack on SonyPictures.com exposed, Lulz claimed, the company's ongoing inability to secure users' personal data.
Along with Anonymous, LulzSec has raised the profile of hacker groups as a potential threat to online services. Hacktivists see their role as staging valid protests in the most high profile way possible, according to Peter Wood, founder of security consultancy First Base. "The things they are exploiting at the moment are the sort of mistakes that organisations seem to have been making ever since they connected to the internet.
"Finally there are some players out there who are using them as a means to protest. Whether everyone agrees with them is a different question."
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:58:00 -
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When you 'hacktivism' as a 'means to protest' you usually mention what you're protesting about
When you're attention seeking you call yourself something dumb like failzsec and attack stuff indiscriminately _
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde When you 'hacktivism' as a 'means to protest' you usually mention what you're protesting about
When you're attention seeking you call yourself something dumb like failzsec and attack stuff indiscriminately
Anon did not do Sony, Nato-Lulzsec did most likely.
Nato IS AIMING for Anon because Anon is POLITICAL and only hits POLITICAL targets, government etc. not the general public and customers / consumers.
More and more are starting to beleive Nato is actually behind Lulzsec given the statement issued by NATO about their intent to persecute Anon.
No better way to persecute Anon than make the general public go up against any group out of sheer ignorance because it affects them directly.
Anon is political nato-Lulzsec is generally tramping on everybody with the intent to get as much bad publicity and hatred from people they can, wonder why?
Already people are confusing their intent with Anon. Seems to be working huh?
This is a continuation with the wikileaks wars, and governments are trying to discredit that too, now their target is discrediting anon.
Best to not give them attention, but... too late...
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:03:00 -
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And btw, i don't know what ppl are complaining about (uh i couldnt play for 5 hours wahwah). I for one welcome our new hacker friends, if the companies they attack are not able to protect themselves they have no business on the interwebs anyways and shouldnt handle millions of userdata.
So, more power to them.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku And btw, i don't know what ppl are complaining about (uh i couldnt play for 5 hours wahwah). I for one welcome our new hacker friends, if the companies they attack are not able to protect themselves they have no business on the interwebs anyways and shouldnt handle millions of userdata.
So, more power to them.
Yeah, I hope your bank account is the first one to be "protected" by your hacker friends.
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Long John Silver
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Old Chap
"Finally there are some players out there who are using them as a means to protest. Whether everyone agrees with them is a different question."
Of course it is just a coincidence that the DDoS follows shhortly after the recent anti-bot activities.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Long John Silver
Originally by: The Old Chap
"Finally there are some players out there who are using them as a means to protest. Whether everyone agrees with them is a different question."
Of course it is just a coincidence that the DDoS follows shhortly after the recent anti-bot activities.
Or it could have been in retaliation for CCP breaking their promise regarding microtransactions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Im Super Gay
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku And btw, i don't know what ppl are complaining about (uh i couldnt play for 5 hours wahwah). I for one welcome our new hacker friends, if the companies they attack are not able to protect themselves they have no business on the interwebs anyways and shouldnt handle millions of userdata.
So, more power to them.
By this logic, anyone who can't defend themselves from being mugged deserves to get mugged.
I guess I should start 'testing people on their ability to defend themselves.....
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla <snip drivel>
Are you seriously this gullible? Do you just blindly believe everything you read?
Let me give you an example - lulzsec managed to get into the UK NHS (National Health System) network. Did they **** it over? No, in fact they sent nice emails to the relevant people detailing what they'd found in terms of dumb **** like default admin passwords. Now if you want to follow your deluded reasoning they should have caused chaos as that'd cause real outrage. They didn't.
You're seriously deranged. I think you need to get away from the computer more.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Long John Silver
Originally by: The Old Chap
"Finally there are some players out there who are using them as a means to protest. Whether everyone agrees with them is a different question."
Of course it is just a coincidence that the DDoS follows shhortly after the recent anti-bot activities.
Ofcourse, no coincidence all this happens just when NATO said they will persecute Anon and this is a continuation of the Wikileaks wars.
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Valhallas
Gallente The Executioners
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Blazde When you 'hacktivism' as a 'means to protest' you usually mention what you're protesting about
When you're attention seeking you call yourself something dumb like failzsec and attack stuff indiscriminately
Anon did not do Sony, Nato-Lulzsec did most likely.
Nato IS AIMING for Anon because Anon is POLITICAL and only hits POLITICAL targets, government etc. not the general public and customers / consumers.
More and more are starting to beleive Nato is actually behind Lulzsec given the statement issued by NATO about their intent to persecute Anon.
No better way to persecute Anon than make the general public go up against any group out of sheer ignorance because it affects them directly.
Anon is political nato-Lulzsec is generally tramping on everybody with the intent to get as much bad publicity and hatred from people they can, wonder why?
Already people are confusing their intent with Anon. Seems to be working huh?
This is a continuation with the wikileaks wars, and governments are trying to discredit that too, now their target is discrediting anon.
Best to not give them attention, but... too late...
LOL Miilla IRL is - Grassy Knollington - Conspiracy Theorist
If someone wanted to generate hatred for Anon, surely the best way would be to perform the DDOS attacks, and then claim it was Anon that did it in the first place. Anon would be in a rather poor position to defend itself as, by definition they are all anonymous.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde When you 'hacktivism' as a 'means to protest' you usually mention what you're protesting about
Should be fairly obvious - you're protesting the distinct lack of proper security measures.
To be honest, there's only one reason that could come to mind as to why EVE-Online might have been a target at all, namely, the recent "new forums" security fiasco. That isn't exactly much to go on, I mean, allegedly, no actual account details were ever at risk, so, meh. But then again, this might just be a prelude to testing if that was true or not, either at that time or now.
Other than the minor inconvenience of not having EVE available for a while, if anything, this should be something of a bit of good news. If EVE/CCP manages to pass through it all (I doubt it's over, but who knows) while not exposing anything of any importance (data-wise) then it's good news, from a security standpoint. On the other hand, if they fail even a little bit, this might just finally be the reason for them to accelerate the keyfob thing already (or some other measures) and be a bit more careful than they used to be (which is, not much at all) whenever they decide to put the new forums back up. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Valhallas
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Blazde When you 'hacktivism' as a 'means to protest' you usually mention what you're protesting about
When you're attention seeking you call yourself something dumb like failzsec and attack stuff indiscriminately
Anon did not do Sony, Nato-Lulzsec did most likely.
Nato IS AIMING for Anon because Anon is POLITICAL and only hits POLITICAL targets, government etc. not the general public and customers / consumers.
More and more are starting to beleive Nato is actually behind Lulzsec given the statement issued by NATO about their intent to persecute Anon.
No better way to persecute Anon than make the general public go up against any group out of sheer ignorance because it affects them directly.
Anon is political nato-Lulzsec is generally tramping on everybody with the intent to get as much bad publicity and hatred from people they can, wonder why?
Already people are confusing their intent with Anon. Seems to be working huh?
This is a continuation with the wikileaks wars, and governments are trying to discredit that too, now their target is discrediting anon.
Best to not give them attention, but... too late...
LOL Miilla IRL is - Grassy Knollington - Conspiracy Theorist
If someone wanted to generate hatred for Anon, surely the best way would be to perform the DDOS attacks, and then claim it was Anon that did it in the first place. Anon would be in a rather poor position to defend itself as, by definition they are all anonymous.
Nato to persecute Anon http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=nato+persecute+anon
Anon Denies Sony https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=anon+deny+sony&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d41dd9fab4fc6983&biw=1920&bih=849
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 15/06/2011 12:35:13 Its not implausible that a Goverment Enitity is behind LULzsec in order to discredit Anonomous. Im not saying its NATO or any other agency, but its believable that its not just random hackers.
The odd part is that they went after the 2 games with that geekiest fan bases(EVE and Minecraft) of all game with a reasonable large internet footprint. Thats the most suspicious element.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Should be fairly obvious - you're protesting the distinct lack of proper security measures
That's what's known as a **** excuse. And they didn't even mention it
NATO are right to be afraid of Anon because it's more of a movement. Lulzsec is probably a very few 'rebel without a cause' type individuals - *maybe* even one individual, they start having some success and naturally egos get the better of them and we end up 'Titanic Takeover Tuesday' and a bloody phoneline. It's not hacktivism it's just criminal showmanship _
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde
Originally by: Akita T Should be fairly obvious - you're protesting the distinct lack of proper security measures
That's what's known as a **** excuse. And they didn't even mention it
NATO are right to be afraid of Anon because it's more of a movement. Lulzsec is probably a very few 'rebel without a cause' type individuals - *maybe* even one individual, they start having some success and naturally egos get the better of them and we end up 'Titanic Takeover Tuesday' and a bloody phoneline. It's not hacktivism it's just criminal showmanship
And yet the government does not sieze lulsecurty.com domain like they have all the rest for lesser things, Twitter still keeps Lulzsec twitter feed active for us to fear.
Nobody ever has to make a thing happen, they just "let" it happen.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:46:00 -
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Odd thing is when compared with WOW, there simply is no reason to target EVE in order to get attention. A WOW attack would have effected more people and gotten more attention, prob a few comments on CNN and Fox news.
But they didn't do that... Why didn't they?
If they really are taking "phone call requests" then this event may be the biggest EMO-Rage-I-Have-To-Much-ISK mercenary contract of all time. All it takes is a few ****ed off bot'rs/RMT'rs and a phone call. This is likely a representation of the current state of corruption in game and someone just wanted someone (or something) to get back at CCP .
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:23:00 -
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Lulzsec announced that they didn't hack the games. Lets hope it is the truth. http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80980346589560832
Regarding sony, they clearly said that they did it: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 15/06/2011 13:24:17
Originally by: Cebraio Lulzsec announced that they didn't hack the games. Lets hope it is the truth. http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80980346589560832
Regarding sony, they clearly said that they did it: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/
Anon clearly stated they didn't do it.
Lulz != Anon.
Also, anybody can claim it, terrorists groups have a habbit of claiming ops that are not theirs to gain them publicity.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 15/06/2011 13:24:17
Originally by: Cebraio Lulzsec announced that they didn't hack the games. Lets hope it is the truth. http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80980346589560832
Regarding sony, they clearly said that they did it: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/
Anon clearly stated they didn't do it.
Lulz != Anon.
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Did I mention Anonymous anywhere? I didn't.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cebraio
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 15/06/2011 13:24:17
Originally by: Cebraio Lulzsec announced that they didn't hack the games. Lets hope it is the truth. http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80980346589560832
Regarding sony, they clearly said that they did it: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/
Anon clearly stated they didn't do it.
Lulz != Anon.
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Did I mention Anonymous anywhere? I didn't.
No; I did.
But it backs up Anon's claims of not doing Sony and targeting only political targets.
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Murkelost
Gallente FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:38:00 -
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I hope these individuals is found and sinked into the sea with heave lead weights on their feet or something even more nasty. Probably inmature ****s that didn't get enough attention as a child. I hope you read this so my insults toward you is complete. Thank you and have a good day
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Oesophagus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Oesophagus on 15/06/2011 13:48:41 Activists, rightą. In my town there are some people who demolish playgrounds in public parks because they are bored or use spray cans on walls or trains. These guys found out how to damage something and only use the term 'activist' as an excuse. No other reason. I say, deport them to iceland and throw them in a volcano.
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LAZMAN
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:58:00 -
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CCp crew up their game, Hackers screw up their game. What the difference?. At least i aint paying the hackers to screw it up.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku And btw, i don't know what ppl are complaining about (uh i couldnt play for 5 hours wahwah). I for one welcome our new hacker friends, if the companies they attack are not able to protect themselves they have no business on the interwebs anyways and shouldnt handle millions of userdata.
So, more power to them.
That's such an incredibly ignorant response. It's the typical HTFU, cookie-cutter EVE comment people give when others lose their ship or something. But it's got nothing to do with the matter at hand. And for the simple reason that there is no real defense against DDoS attacks, apart from educating people how to better protect their computers, so they won't become part of a larger botnet. Other than that, you kinda have to wait a DDoS out, or have unlimited bandwidth at your disposal, which no one has (at least not an an economical price).
And this wasn't even hacking: just a few kiddies sending commands to a botnet. It's annoying at hell, but it demonstrated, if anything, no weakness on CCP's end; in fact, CCP acted rather vigilently and nothing got breached.
So, good day to you and your newfound friends. --
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: The Old Chap
Hacktivists see their role as staging valid protests in the most high profile way possible, according to Peter Wood, founder of security consultancy First Base.
Well I'm sure terrorists feel exactly the same way, that does not make what they are doing right.
Hopefully when they are caught they'll lock them up and throw away the key.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku And btw, i don't know what ppl are complaining about (uh i couldnt play for 5 hours wahwah). I for one welcome our new hacker friends, if the companies they attack are not able to protect themselves they have no business on the interwebs anyways and shouldnt handle millions of userdata.
So, more power to them.
That's such an incredibly ignorant response. It's the typical HTFU, cookie-cutter EVE comment people give when others lose their ship or something. But it's got nothing to do with the matter at hand. And for the simple reason that there is no real defense against DDoS attacks, apart from educating people how to better protect their computers, so they won't become part of a larger botnet. Other than that, you kinda have to wait a DDoS out, or have unlimited bandwidth at your disposal, which no one has (at least not an an economical price).
And this wasn't even hacking: just a few kiddies sending commands to a botnet. It's annoying at hell, but it demonstrated, if anything, no weakness on CCP's end; in fact, CCP acted rather vigilently and nothing got breached.
So, good day to you and your newfound friends.
Yeah man...
Gwenywell is trash...
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.06.15 14:52:00 -
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Hmm I would think CCP was targeted well because it's a corporation...and has money, and has a lot of CC and other type info. On top of that they're smaller so people might believe their security is as well, AND on top of that they're a pretty international corporation. It appears that mucho of the hacking is not coming from US sources.
And posting files on in internet isn't "hacktivism" it's a **** move. They should really get off their self righteous trip because they aren't doing it for altruistic reasons. A white hat simply seeks out errors and reports/fixes them.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:10:00 -
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DDoS definately lowered my opinion of them, it's dirty unskilled and doesn't target organisations based on bad security. It indiscriminate and does nothing more than cause disruption even if it can sometimes open a source of entry.
If they wanted to be hacktivists they could raise these flaws in peoples security without exposing thousands of innocent consumers to disruption and potential identity theft.
They're not noble or grey hats, they're not standing up to the man or protesting. They're publicity seeking trouble makers who care for nothing and noone other than themselves - their hats are most definately black.
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:21:00 -
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This is terrible, and I demand to exchange some of my liberty for some extra security immediately!
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