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Tnam
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:13:00 -
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That's my 2 cents after the viewing spectacular of Day 2 where most matches seemed to have at least 5 jamming ships each side. I'm not saying there's no skill in permajamming your fellow competitors, but it's not providing much entertainment value. The PVPers among you know it lacks any style and its making me glad that our name didn't get pulled from the hat.
Next tourney please lets limit jamming, it just kills the entertainment value, gives the commentators nothing to talk about as each side is doing 300dps of drone damage for the first 5 minutes of every fight and tanking it fine.
If the final turns out to be another rook and kitsune fest I will puke.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:16:00 -
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You know whats more boring than watching ecm teams? People posting about watching ECM teams
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Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:11:00 -
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Hey we sucked at the ECM fleet, but we did it for you the viewers, so y'all quit whining and get on with the pew...
BTW will show nekkid pics of Tinkerhell's mom for ISK.. Forgon took them :D
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Freedom-Technologies Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tnam That's my 2 cents after the viewing spectacular of Day 2 where most matches seemed to have at least 5 jamming ships each side. I'm not saying there's no skill in permajamming your fellow competitors, but it's not providing much entertainment value. The PVPers among you know it lacks any style and its making me glad that our name didn't get pulled from the hat.
Next tourney please lets limit jamming, it just kills the entertainment value, gives the commentators nothing to talk about as each side is doing 300dps of drone damage for the first 5 minutes of every fight and tanking it fine.
If the final turns out to be another rook and kitsune fest I will puke.
ECCM. Use it.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith ECCM. Use it.
The point. Try to get it, you stupid child. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Saxton Hale
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith
Originally by: Tnam That's my 2 cents after the viewing spectacular of Day 2 where most matches seemed to have at least 5 jamming ships each side. I'm not saying there's no skill in permajamming your fellow competitors, but it's not providing much entertainment value. The PVPers among you know it lacks any style and its making me glad that our name didn't get pulled from the hat.
Next tourney please lets limit jamming, it just kills the entertainment value, gives the commentators nothing to talk about as each side is doing 300dps of drone damage for the first 5 minutes of every fight and tanking it fine.
If the final turns out to be another rook and kitsune fest I will puke.
ECCM. Use it.
Problem is ECCM modules don't give any secondary benefit the way the counters to other ewar do.
Sebos vs damps you'll get better targing range/lock time. TCs/TEs vs tracking disruptors help your guns. Speed mods vs webs/paints help your sig tank. Cap boosters vs neuts let you run more heavily active modules while saving fitting from cap rechargers etc.
ECCM modules do nothing beyond protecting you from ECM. That's poor design, and only hinders the range of interesting fits and tactics brought to the Alliance Tournament.
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:44:00 -
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Fitting ECCM makes you harder to probe.
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Saxton Hale
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:59:00 -
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Of course, I should have said 'combat benefit'. Being harder to probe just helps you avoid combat. And of course outside of the AT you can fit faction implants for similar effect.
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Kagumichan
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kagumichan on 16/06/2011 16:16:32 Full Amarr tanking/neuting/dampning setup, you can out-tank the opponent untill the neuts suck the cap out of the ewar ships, or the damps make them miss, then laser them to death, that's how I'd try to counter an ewar setup anyways :P (though it probably wouldn't work XD)
p.s I know damping is also ewar but at least we'd see some other ships instead of this caldari heavy missile setup we see all the time.
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Seldarine
Minmatar Boats 'n Hoes WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fumb Duck Hey we sucked at the ECM fleet and the non-ECM fleet, but we did it for you the viewers, so y'all quit whining and get on with the pew...
BTW will show nekkid pics of Tinkerhell's mom for ISK.. Forgon took them :D
fixed bro ______________________________
Seldarine
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:03:00 -
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Sentry drones!
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive You know whats more boring than watching ecm teams? People posting about watching ECM teams
not really, its more fun to see the banter then watch the match.... in my humble opinion.
Im very happy though PL is high-lighting just how boaring those mods are, weather its pvp or tourney,, its just a fact, nothing anyone should feel bad about, as we are not the ones to control the code of jam.
At least I add some quote to make my post more intresting
"mumble mumble mumble thank you "
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.17 13:58:00 -
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If you are gonna complain about something, complain about something that is actually broken. ECM has been massively nerfed throughout the history of eve, and is really only used effectively in the Alliance Tournament. If you understand what is going on in a match, ECM can be one of the more interesting matches you will see because one team is fighting to jam and the other is fighting to counter the jams. ____________________________________________
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DHB WildCat
Flash Over. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan If you are gonna complain about something, complain about something that is actually broken. ECM has been massively nerfed throughout the history of eve, and is really only used effectively in the Alliance Tournament. If you understand what is going on in a match, ECM can be one of the more interesting matches you will see because one team is fighting to jam and the other is fighting to counter the jams.
I mean no disrespect but how exactly do you counter a jam once you've been jammed? Damps, you run under range to get a lock, td's same thing plus webs = negated td's. Once you're jammed, you're jammed there is no counter. I dont like the mod but if its staying in the game you guys have used it well.
Possible counters-
fof missiles - poor dps, no control on what target they go after drones included.
Sentry drones - cannot brake any tank with enemy logi on field.
ECCM - a joke of a mod. even with three eccm on a battleship with a sensor strength over 100, I still get jammed 3 out 5 times.
Smartbombs - poor dps highly cap intensive.
Its a broken mod, yes one I exploit too, and you should keep using it if you can. I just hope it goes away one day or gets fixed once and for all!
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:16:00 -
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One jam does not a permajam make, you can still miss jams and apply damage. That was my whole point. It is easy to counter if you put thought into it. All that aside, these threads make the use of ECM worth it. ____________________________________________
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:24:00 -
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ECM is boring to watch, because it is invisible so it looks like nothing is happening. If you gave ecm an effect to show roughly what was going on I imagine it would be far more interesting from a visual point of view.
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:28:00 -
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So your argument is to change ECM because it doesn't look pretty? Cool... ____________________________________________
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Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:30:00 -
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There is an effect in PL's ECM, its usually called blowing the other ship up.
And random voltron guy, yes we do suck but not as much or as hard as your mom and sister (same person?) (take it as a joke, don't want people crying over some flippant wind up like most emo kids lol)
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DHB WildCat
Flash Over. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fumb Duck There is an effect in PL's ECM, its usually called blowing the other ship up.
And random voltron guy, yes we do suck but not as much or as hard as your mom and sister (same person?) (take it as a joke, don't want people crying over some flippant wind up like most emo kids lol)
lol and the wierd part is you guys can still get through with a win and with us winning........
Or we can just make a deal with the ronin and both get through with no sweat.
Your call 8)
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Diamaht Nevain
Gallente Avatar Union
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan So your argument is to change ECM because it doesn't look pretty? Cool...
The argument for me would be against a game mechanic that tells other players they can't play the game. You're not hindering their ability to fight, you're preventing them from fighting at all. Anyone who spends time and isk on a ship wants to use that ship, not fly in circles and hope for a dice roll.
It's boring and ridiculously overpowered, and it's needs to be brought back in line with other forms of ewar. =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships |
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Seldarine
Minmatar Boats 'n Hoes WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Diamaht Nevain
Originally by: Shiwan Khan So your argument is to change ECM because it doesn't look pretty? Cool...
The argument for me would be against a game mechanic that tells other players they can't play the game. You're not hindering their ability to fight, you're preventing them from fighting at all. Anyone who spends time and isk on a ship wants to use that ship, not fly in circles and hope for a dice roll.
It's boring and ridiculously overpowered, and it's needs to be brought back in line with other forms of ewar.
So you are also against allowing guns and missile launchers in the tournament ? Because I heard that when you use them on an enemy ship there is a chance the enemy ship may explode, thus in your logic preventing him from being able to play the game. ______________________________
Seldarine
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Diamaht Nevain
Gallente Avatar Union
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Seldarine
Originally by: Diamaht Nevain
Originally by: Shiwan Khan So your argument is to change ECM because it doesn't look pretty? Cool...
The argument for me would be against a game mechanic that tells other players they can't play the game. You're not hindering their ability to fight, you're preventing them from fighting at all. Anyone who spends time and isk on a ship wants to use that ship, not fly in circles and hope for a dice roll.
It's boring and ridiculously overpowered, and it's needs to be brought back in line with other forms of ewar.
So you are also against allowing guns and missile launchers in the tournament ? Because I heard that when you use them on an enemy ship there is a chance the enemy ship may explode, thus in your logic preventing him from being able to play the game.
No correlation there at all. Remember the other guy has permission to shoot back (unless he's jammed of course). =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships |
Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:04:00 -
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Maybe he'd be happy if we had 2 belts of veldspar and the winner was the 1st one to clean the belt out???
That would be amezzin to watch, I'm telling you, its the future for AT X!!!!
Voltron, I'm sure you'll do the right thing, either by allowing a team that hasn't reached its potential yet (but if we have peaked then we're fkd) or allowing a team that got in via a technicality (no opposition, your with me right)..
Still if you do make a deal then all the best on the final day, will be rooting for ya and your mom says hi and don't be home late lol.
Btw, If R(zero)nin do win and get above you on points I think I might need to talk with the PWR FC as if we can't make it through then we're gonna make sure one of you guys doesn't also..
Two Dots, Best Dots.. (well not atm lol)
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Niraia
Zaratha Zarati Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Originally by: Fumb Duck There is an effect in PL's ECM, its usually called blowing the other ship up.
And random voltron guy, yes we do suck but not as much or as hard as your mom and sister (same person?) (take it as a joke, don't want people crying over some flippant wind up like most emo kids lol)
lol and the wierd part is you guys can still get through with a win and with us winning........
Or we can just make a deal with the ronin and both get through with no sweat.
Your call 8)
lk and shivaja wouldn't appreciate their webcam access being revoked until they get a chance to see my new skirt. your call.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 18:52:00 -
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3 types of jam are need
rasbery for hi slot jamming blueberry for mid slot jamming mint sauce for low slot jamming,
ship can still lock but unable to use mods, caldari still have more strength at jamming but not much, however as they have more mids can stil fit each type of jam mod and a tank of small sorts...
food for thought, corpse for food
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Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:03:00 -
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Dark Helmet for GM!!!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.18 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Raquel Smith ECCM. Use it.
The point. Try to get it, you stupid child.
This is hard to do when you are jammed up completely AMIRITE? ~~~
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