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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:56:00 -
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StockID Description Qty Price Subtotal FS-174-OE "Ultima Eve" Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz @ 4.60GHz DDR3 Sandybridge System 1 ú1,748.31 ú1,748.31 SW-127-MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 MY-094-KS 16GB Upgrade FS-183-OE Overclock Selected FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan HS-003-CS Corsair Hydro H70 High-Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM3) CD-138-SA Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BluRay ROM DVDRW DL & RAM Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (Retail) HD-248-SE Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM (ST31000524AS) CA-028-CS Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 High Performance 850W Modular Power Supply (CMPSU-850AXUK) CP-365-IN Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM MB-342-GI Gigabyte Z68X-UD3P Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard MY-094-KS Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card HD-075-OC OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-60G) CA-036-CS Corsair Obsidian 650D Gaming Midi-Tower - Black (with Fan Controller Repair Kit) MO-046-OK OcUK 24" True HD Widescreen LED Monitor - Black 4 ú108.32 ú433.28 Page 1 of 2 Printed by Phil.Fraser All prices include VAT unless otherwise stated VAT Registration : GB747963969Total: Subtotal: VAT (20.0%) ú2,181.59 ú436.32 ú2,617.9
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:07:32
Originally by: Ladrial Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz
Overkill, but eh, why not.
Quote: Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
More than sufficient.
Quote: GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5
Display Connectors: 2x Dual-Link DVI-I & 1x Mini-HDMI 1.4a (Includes HDMI & VGA Adapters) You can't use 4 monitors with just one of those.
You'll need two video cards. Feel free to downgrade to 2x GTX 560Ti (it's actually cheaper and much faster overall) or even 2x GTX 560 (much cheaper, and still a bit faster overall). Plus you get 2 GB video RAM total that way.
EDIT : oh, you may want to change the Gigabyte Z68X-UD3P Intel Z68 mobo for something else as well in that case.
Quote: Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x16 (PCIEX16) * For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. 1 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x8 (PCIEX8) * The PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When the PCIEX8 slot is populated with a PCI Express graphics card, the PCIEX16 slot will operate at up to x8 mode. 3 x PCI Express x1 slot 2 x PCI slots
Find one that supports two PCI-E slots both running at x16 for best performance.
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:05:00 -
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Yes, apart from the GTX580 which afaik will only drive two screens independently.
I think you got the thread title wrong though, it should probably have something in there about epeen, wealth and rubbing peoples faces in it. Consider revising it pl0x.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:08:00 -
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If it's running at 2,600 Kelvin you've got some serious problems. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:10:00 -
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Why do you need a Blu Ray player?
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:12:00 -
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there are 2 cards the same 2x gtx 580s
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:21:00 -
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Don't take what I say too harshly, I am honestly trying to help
SW-127-MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM Home premium is a fairly good choice, if you want other languages or encription you would have to get an upgrade, if no language or incription packs are needed, home should do fine.
GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 By who? because it makes a differance these days, MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, EVGA, PALIT are all good makers, we dont have PNY so much where I live but i would stick to EVGA, MSI, ASUS.
FS-183-OE Overclock Selected Go on youtube and see how people overclock their i7-2600
FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan FG-003-XG Xigmatek 120mm Crystal White LED Fan The corsair case is closed, spend your money on more silent non LED fans. They are all kinda the same
HS-003-CS Corsair Hydro H70 High-Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM3) This is an OK choice but i have been hearing some grumbling of decaying performance due to the microchannels oxidiesing over time. So I would Suggest a Noctua D-14. It cools slightly better with less noise and is standard air cooling. Also with an overclock you may need the airflow over the northpridge and power array.
CD-138-SA Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BluRay ROM DVDRW DL & RAM Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (Retail) ok I guess
HD-248-SE Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM (ST31000524AS) Try a Western Digital Caviar black, its sort of the best hard drive around. If you want to save a little money go for the Spinpoint F3. This drive has been getting rave reviews for its pricepoint.
CA-028-CS Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 High Performance 850W Modular Power Supply (CMPSU-850AXUK) 850 leave a lot of room for SLI if Nvidea cards. So I approve.
CP-365-IN Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM Most expensive of the sandybridge lineup, granted it has good performance but the 2500k was a better dollar value if thats what you are going for. I should also note that only K models are overclockable.
MB-342-GI Gigabyte Z68X-UD3P Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard If you are going to use a 2600K chip and overclocking then I suggest getting a bit more robust board. The UD5 is only slightly more expensive and I have more confidence in its power and northbridge cooler for overclocking. Also you may want to look at the $220 range ASUS boards wich are getting good reviews on places like HardOCP, PCper, TweekTown and Tech Report
MY-094-KS Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) Ok I guess, ram is now and always has been a gamble. Each stick is unique and it depends on how it likes your system. I would have personally gone for the Corsair Vengence series or even the G.skill Sniper series.
GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card If you are going to use 2 cards in SLI then you probably need that 850 power supply.
HD-075-OC OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-60G) the Z68 chipset is a P67 like chipset with one additional feature, it allows for SSD caching. This means the SSD will act like the hard drives chach and pull commonly used data from the SSD instead of the HD. This increases system speed without haveing to pour money into an expensive SSD. Also max size for this feature is 64GB. You can also go the P67 route and get a larger SSD.
CA-036-CS Corsair Obsidian 650D Gaming Midi-Tower - Black (with Fan Controller Repair Kit) Good choice
MO-046-OK OcUK 24" True HD Widescreen LED Monitor - Black 4 ú108.32 ú433.28 Page 1 of 2 I dont know monitors very well
All prices include VAT unless otherwise stated VAT Registration : GB747963969Total: Subtotal: VAT (20.0%) ú2,181.59 ú436.32 ú2,617.9
holy poo i thought CA sales tax was bad
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 16/06/2011 16:35:35 They have just got back to me suggesting I go for a better cpu if i dont mind spending the extra cash:
The "Ultima Carbon" features an Intel Core i7 990X 3.46GHz overclocked to 4.20GHz, combined with the latest Nvidia Geforce GTX 580 graphic cards in SLI to provide unlimited perfomance. Mastering all concepts of computing the "Ultima Carbon" flys through file and data transfers with it's Crucial C300 128GB 6Gb/s SSD combined with the Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB 6Gb/s HDD which offers maximum storage at lightning speeds.
Why Should You Buy This System? - Featuring Intel Core i7 990X 3.46GHz overclocked to 4.20GHz - With x2 GTX 580 graphics cards configured in SLI, frame rates are smashed and brought into a whole new zone of gaming. - Intel "Elmcrest" 120GB 6 Gb/s SSD and Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB 6Gb/s provide storage and speed in perfect unison.
System Specification - Case: Corsair Obsidian 800D - Power Supply: Corsair AX1200 Professional 100% Modular Power Supply - CPU: Intel Core i7 990X 3.46GHz overclocked to 4.20GHz - Motherboard: Asus P6X58D-E Intel X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard - Cooler: Corsair H70 CPU Cooler - RAM: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Tri-Channel - Hard Drives: Intel "Elmcrest" 120GB SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive and Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - Graphics Card: x2 GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 in SLI - Sound : 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board) - Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BD-ROM / 16x DVD Writer Drive - Black
ú3099.98 inc VAT
of course then add the monitors
Does this second option warrant the extra price - tag?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:44:16
The question is, what do you want to do with it, and do you really have that much money that you can afford to basically waste it ?
If it is just 4x FHD monitor, 4x EVE-in-space clients at 60+ FPS, it's completely and totally overkill, even the initial one (assuming you means 2x 580), you can probably make a config that handles that one just fine for under 1000 GBP. If it's 4x CQ, then yeah, it's only a bit overkill. Still AT LEAST twice as expensive as what you'd need though.
X amount of cash today will buy you a machine almost 2 times as powerful, with 2 times as much RAM and twice the HDD capacity, eating a bit less power to function, in under 2 years from now. So better spend a lot less today and keep getting new ones each year, hopefully selling the old ones to some suckers, but even without selling the old ones, if you upgrade every 2 instead of every 5 or 6 years, you're still going to end up spending less cash overall, and have more appropriate "firepower" for more time (not to speak of plenty of somewhat adequate spares in case any one of the newer ones croak).
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:42:00 -
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If you really want better performance, can you wait about 4 months? The Llano chips are comeing out soon, we saw the x78 boards were showing up at Computex this month, so that means the new stuff is going to be out for the holidays.
The new chipset is LGA2011. This is a HUGE slice of silicon, so it should rightly beat the pants off of the x58 (990x)chipset series. From the pictures I have seen, it looks to be the enthusiast chip of late 2011. -------------
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Why Should You Buy This System? - Featuring Intel Core i7 990X 3.46GHz overclocked to 4.20GHz - With x2 GTX 580 graphics cards configured in SLI, frame rates are smashed and brought into a whole new zone of gaming. - Intel "Elmcrest" 120GB 6 Gb/s SSD and Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB 6Gb/s provide storage and speed in perfect unison.
DONT DO IT!! Stick with the original CPU. The i7 990X is an LGA1366 socket CPU which is pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.
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Kazini Jax
Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:52:00 -
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One GTX 580 card will not cut it except at low/med-detail with all options on or high-detail with all options off (maybe just AA off) if you plan on running the game across all 4 monitors (or a single run on each monitor). 2 GTX 580s will probably get you to High-detail and all options on, with max AA.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:54:00 -
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both options have 2 cards the first just lists them not in the same place, one is further down, what i want to know is if the second system is much better than the first as its quite allot more cash.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:56:52
Originally by: Chuffer pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.
Let's be honest - when was the last time you ever upgraded only your CPU and kept your old motherboard ? I've never done that, and I swapped plenty PCs in my long PC-ownership lifetime.
Originally by: Ladrial both options have 2 cards the first just lists them not in the same place, one is further down, what i want to know is if the second system is much better than the first as its quite allot more cash.
Gaming nowadays (especially at 4x FHD monitor resolutions) is far more GPU-limited than CPU-limited. Most likely even the initial cheap CPU is too much (won't actually be fully used).
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:04:00 -
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ok so you think the first option is more than able to do what i need it to. All I wanna do is play 4 accounts on four monitors good graphics and lag free.
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:05:00 -
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AM-fricken-D. I hate people who let noobs wast money with dead end Intel Sockets just because on paper they are "faster", and if you go forward with the current person your trusting to build your next gaming computer then you should just send the money to me and go anhero. kthxbi.
Is Intel superior on paper, yes.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:07:00 -
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so what do you suggest then?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 17:16:25
Originally by: Ladrial ok so you think the first option is more than able to do what i need it to. All I wanna do is play 4 accounts on four monitors good graphics and lag free.
i5-2300 (not even the K version) with 2x GTX 460 should be enough for that, as long as you mean just the space part. Hell, Phenom II X4 965 Black with 2x HD 5770 should do just fine too.
Just look how much that would cost you (185+2x150=485$ on newegg, or 135+2x110=355$ on newegg) for just the CPU+GPUs and ask yourself what the eff were you thinking. Just ONE of your two "desired" graphics cards would be more expensive than that, nevermind the rest. _
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Col Callahan on 16/06/2011 17:17:32
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 17:14:46
Originally by: Ladrial ok so you think the first option is more than able to do what i need it to. All I wanna do is play 4 accounts on four monitors good graphics and lag free.
i5-2300 (not even the K version) with 2x GTX 460 should be enough for that, as long as you mean just the space part. Hell, Phenom II X4 965 Black with 2x HD 5770 should do just fine too.
Just look how much that would cost you (185+2x150=485$ on newegg, or ) and ask yourself what the eff were you thinking.
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chuffer on 16/06/2011 17:21:11
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:59:02
Originally by: Chuffer pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.
Let's be honest - when was the last time you ever upgraded only your CPU and kept your old motherboard ? I've never done that, and I swapped plenty PCs in my long PC-ownership lifetime.
Originally by: Ladrial both options have 2 cards the first just lists them not in the same place, one is further down, what i want to know is if the second system is much better than the first as its quite allot more cash.
Gaming nowadays (especially at 4x FHD monitor resolutions) is far more GPU-limited than CPU-limited. Most likely even the initial cheaper CPU is already too much (won't actually be fully used except once in a blue moon).
The only reason to want the latter CPU is if you plan to run some apps that rely on CPU power almost exclusively because they can't access the GPU (some video encoders, some photo/video processing apps, etc).
I'll admit that with intel its pretty much impossible to upgrade your CPU without changing your mobo and RAM, but AMD are still pretty good. But yeah, the last time I got away with a simple CPU only upgrade was, um, years ago... I usually just go for the low end intel chips now and overclock the crap out of them. Still going strong with my i7 920.
But still, the CPU he's talking about is a con, totally over priced and not much better than the 2600k, and on a socket that's about to be retired. The only thing I like about the older socket is the triple channel memory, which is also why I'm waiting for the high-end sandy chips, or even the next gen chips, before I upgrade.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 17:36:17
I have a crummy i5-760 bought at a discount from normal price before the sandybridges even came out and a single 1GB GTX 460, playing between HD and FHD resolution (1600x1024 windowed mode) at 85 FPS (long live CRTs and vsynch on) with max detail (but with AA off - noticeable GPU usage hike and negligibly better image quality), and my CPU usage while single-client station-spinning with the current TQ build is around 15% max (that's actually a big improvement, it used to hover much higher with the old UI) with GPU usage below 40%.
An i5-2300 is actually slightly faster than an i5-760 If I would be using a 60 Hz LCD screen, the CPU would probably hover around 12% max and the GPU below 30%, probably below 35% in FHD resolution. If I would add one more GTX 460 and ran 4 clients in FHD@60FPS, maybe in fleet combat situations I might get close to 100% usage on both CPU and GPU, but I doubt it.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:48:00 -
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when running two cards and four screens be sure to use "interveral Immetidate" in the eve cleint gfx options or you'll get about 10 fps.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:52:00 -
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ALWAYS use "interval one". Only exception, if you want to benchmark the performance. Then when you're done, turn it back. If you're getting a drastically reduced FPS by turning to "interval one" instead of "interval immediate" (as opposed to just a very mild drop), you might want to look at your hardware/drivers/software/whatever setup, something is very fishy there. _
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:53:00 -
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I am a computer novice are you guys saying the first option represents beter value for money and will do the job just fine?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial I am a computer novice are you guys saying the first option represents beter value for money and will do the job just fine?
No, we're saying the second option is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE waste of money, while the first one is just a more regular e-p33ny waste of money. You can get what you want for less than half, maybe a third of the first cheaper option you presented.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 16/06/2011 18:18:32 Edited by: Ladrial on 16/06/2011 18:16:49 So the first option will do what i want it to do then?
I dont mind if its overkill I dont know much about pcs, so like i did with the one I have now im happy to spend maybe too much cash if it means i havent gotta touch the thing for 5yrs +.
Is that the sort of thing that system (the one i opened the post with) will do? If so im happy.
I just want to play four accounts on four monitors graphically maxed out, but perhaps more importantly I dont want to upgrade bits or get anything else for a good few years.
Will that do what i am saying? I do not want to have to upgrade this or that if the game changes or gets more demanding, I know thats an odd approach but thats what i prefer.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 18:35:34 _
Here's some middle-ground.
180$ AMD Phenom II 1090T Black (6 core @ 3.2GHz) 155$ ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX (dual x16 mode CrossfireX) 2x 200$ GIGABYTE GV-R687OC-1GD Radeon HD 6870 1GB 145$ G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600, CL7, 1.35V 150$ Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 90$ Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Bronze W0382RU = 1,120 USD + however much the actual PC case and a DVD writer would cost (and keyboard, mouse, monitors, extra case fans and whatever else you want - SCREW BLUERAY). Let's say another 180 USD for case and the rest (without the monitors) to get a nice, round 1300 USD.
Even adding 20% VAT and rounding up to 1600 USD for this and that, that's still only around 990 GBP. Your initial box listed a price roughly two times and a half higher.
AND EVEN THIS MUCH CHEAPER MACHINE IS OVERKILL FOR WHAT YOU NEED.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 16/06/2011 18:37:00 so why are the intel options so much more expensive then? Are they less future proof/up-gradeable or are the intel just better? I am not argueing you obviously know much more about this than me im just trying to understand, help me!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 18:46:20
Originally by: Ladrial so why are the intel options so much more expensive then? Are they less future proof/ungradeable or are the intel just better?
That's not it. An i5-2500 (without the k) is about 210$ (just 30$ extra), a decent mobo for it not much over the AM3 one either. You just picked each and every one of your components to be one that is complete overkill and with a horrible price/performance ratio. Or better said, they saw you are somebody who doesn't know what he wants (and much less about PCs or how some hardware will perform) so shoved their "can't sell this easy" gear down your throat, and you didn't even blink, so they kept pushing for even more ludicrous gear with even worse price/performance ratios and a lot of unnecessary bling.
It's like some stuff in EVE. 10% better, costs almost twice as much. You just have to know where to stop asking for "more power".
P.S. You don't need liquid cooling, the stock fan will do fine if you don't overclock (and you shouldn't need to). You don't need a zillion LED fans, a couple regular ones in a large enough case will give you sufficient air flow. You don't really need a SSD, a decent HDD will do fine. You don't need the latest CPU/GPU, one that's one or even two steps behind will work almost as good at half the price. And so on and so forth. _
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kai freeborn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:41:00 -
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just get 4 pc's and then 3 friends to use the others, anything else still wont beat the lag as your pc isnt the cause of it
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:44:00 -
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ok i see so its like T2 or Deadspace limited extra benifits for massive extra cost (ignoring skill differences of course)?
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 18:43:18
Originally by: Ladrial They saw you are somebody who doesn't know what he wants (and much less about PCs or how some hardware will perform) so shoved their "can't sell this easy" gear down your throat, and you didn't even blink, so they kept pushing for even more ludicrous gear with even worse price/performance ratios.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial ok i see so its like T2 or Deadspace limited extra benifits for massive extra cost (ignoring skill differences of course)?
Radically different values, but yeah, same basic idea. They're trying to sell you ovepriced bling, basically. _
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:49:00 -
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so what would you go for if you were going to do it with intel and nvidia cards?
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial so what would you go for if you were going to do it with intel and nvidia cards?
Ignoring cost and wishing to get as many years out of my rig as possible without ever opening the PC and using 4 monitors:
i2600K (over-clocked beyond the realms of physics through after-market cooling solution and super-voltage) 2 x 590 GTX
However, taking cost and ROI into account:
i2600K (to allow for some kind of overclocking via bios, if needed, at some point, in the future) 2 x 570 (even this doesn't run Metro 2033 @ 60FPS, which is a DX11 title)
I do have a question though; why 4 monitors? Why not 3?
If you have 4 (I assume a lateral configuration) then your central point of focus will have a black line where the two central monitors will meet.
If you have a 2x2 setup, you have 4 monitor corners in your central point of focus.
If you are planning to have a 3x1 setup, then that has some sense to it, although I wouldn't mind being your oestopath, as I'm sure I'd be able to take early retirement with you as a patient.
It's personal preference, but have a triple monitor setup laterally, it gives you a central monitor and allows you to extend out your peripheral vision, no?
Guess it depends on what games you play, or plan to play.
If you are going for 3 monitors - the BenQ 3d monitor is pretty nice and has CRT levels of response to it for 24" x 3 pimpage.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:10:00 -
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Hello and thanks for your reply I want to play four accounts each on there own monitor, I may actually put two on the desk and two on the wall above them.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial so what would you go for if you were going to do it with intel and nvidia cards?
Well, let's just slightly modify the previous one then.
Originally by: Akita T 180$ AMD Phenom II 1090T Black (6 core @ 3.2GHz) 155$ ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX (dual x16 mode CrossfireX) 2x 200$ GIGABYTE GV-R687OC-1GD Radeon HD 6870 1GB
145$ G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600, CL7, 1.35V 150$ Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 90$ Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Bronze W0382RU +180$ reserved case, fans, mouse, KB or whatnot
Take the top 3 items down, rest of list remains as is, let's see what else can we put in. 210$ Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz 260$ ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION LGA 1155 Intel P67 / NVIDIA NF200 2x 190$ GIGABYTE GV-N56GOC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB
The most "pain in the arse" part was the motherboard, there are very few that support dual x16 mode, don't know if you can find a cheaper one that can handle that. So, basically, on the Mobo+CPU+GPU combo, you spend around 115$ extra just for those. A noticeable but not back-breaking increase. The video cards should perform about on par, maybe a bit slower, but not really noticeable in EVE.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Hello and thanks for your reply I want to play four accounts each on their own monitor, I may actually put two on the desk and two on the wall above them.
What type of playstyle? PvP? Mining? Missions?
I understand that some players like Chribba (if you say his name he appears on the forums) run in windowed mode.
Be interesting to get some more feedback from players with 3 or more monitors to see what type of setup they run and what the frames per second is like, types of resolution they have, graphical options running as this will no doubt help you.
Mashie Saldana is another player that springs to mind with an ·ber setup on multiple monitors.
Ask nicely and they might even post some screenshots.
AK
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:11:00 -
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Wait what how when?
I'll post my epeen computer when it has arrived in parts. But I must say I love RevoDrives...
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Sorted
Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:15:00 -
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I run up to 8 accounts in window mode over 3 monitors on two Nvidia cards. Low settings on 3 GIG RAM 1066, Quad core Phenom, GT285x2 and 560Ti, OCZ SSD.
Output over two cards bottlenecks on a single frame buffer, my FPS drops every client over 2 unless I run in Interval Immediate, in which case I can get 70-120fps. On 1 card with two outputs on two monitors it was easier on the FPS with multiple clients, but smaller screen real-estate.
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Sorted
Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba But I must say I love RevoDrives...
checkout the SSD vertex 3 from OZC, trim support, and close to the Revo read/write speeds with much less headache.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:38:00 -
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Ok, first suggestion, stay as far away from OcUK as possible, their support is nonexistant if you ever receive a faulty component or something breaks. It took them 14 weeks to replace a broken graphics card I got from them once. Or a classic "no fault found" with a stick of ram that would short circuit any motherbord it was plugged in to...
But anyway, I upgraded my system last week:
i7-2600k 4 x 4GB Corsair Vengance PC1866 Gigabyte GA-Z68-UD7-B3 2 x Palit GTX 580 3GB Thermalright Archon Lian-Li PC8-FIB 128GB Corsair Series 3 SSD (that was recalled by the manufacturer the day it was delivered) Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W PSU (from an old tri-sli build so a bit overpowered for this but it will let me drive a third GTX 580 if I ever need)
This is driving 2 x Dell 3007 screens with a 5120x1600 desktop.
It doesn't matter what graphics cards you get, if you go with a low amount of effective VRAM you can forget about ever running EVE with Anti-Alias enabled with that setup.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:45:00 -
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There's a fair amount of bad and conflicting advice in this thread (as well as some good!), so I feel a need to post.
First off, you'd be better off going to a dedicated computer forum with this question, such as overclock.net. Nothing against the EVE forums, but computers are all OCN talks about. You'll get better advice there.
My input as to the actual build: Build your own, don't buy pre-built. For a gaming computer, you'll get better value and you'll get precisely what you need, nothing more
You don't need a 2600k; it's $200 more than the 2500k and all you get is hyperthreading, which only makes a significant difference in highly multithreaded (read: not gaming) situations. Even 4 EVE clients won't tax a 2500k, which is probably the best price/performance ratio CPU on the market right now and the one I'd recommend. Don't wait for such and such chips to come out, there's always some chip coming soon and you never know the exact date.
AMD is behind in the game right now; They're great for a budget build but if performance is important choose intel. This is coming from a former AMD guy. Bulldozer may change that, but see my previous comment about waiting...
For the GPU, obviously you'll need 2 cards to run 4 monitors. I run 2 eve clients on 2 monitors at medium settings on a single 512mb 8800GT at 1440x900; EVE is not a graphically intensive game. I'd recommend a 460 or higher, depending on your budget. Graphics cards are a pretty direct tradeoff between money in and performance out, but if all you play is EVE then you don't need to break the bank. Yeah, 580s are nice but they're also $500 a pop...
You don't need 16 gigs of ram. You just DON'T. Even 8 gigs is overkill for most gaming; not enough ram will hurt you but beyond a certain point you're just wasting money.
Get an aftermarket cooler for your 2500k, even if you don't overclock it. (You should still overclock it by the way.)
If you build this computer, look into folding@home. Leave it running when you're not playing EVE, and you'll be helping cure cancer.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:54:00 -
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Celeritas Thankyou a very considered and well laid out post that all makes good sense thanks.
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Mspaine
Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:25:00 -
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It's allmost Tax Rebate time here in Aus - And i was thinking of getting a new pc.
My current one works ok - But i have a problem where it's old style socket (Before I7 - foregt teh type) And i had my motherboard blow - so i lose my Windows liscence. I replace the motherboard (i could only get 1 type and it was not identical to my last... and it seems i bought my pc at a bad time as they did the switch to the I7 and stopped stocking my type of mobo) - I had to jump on local PC Magazine forums and do a trade with someone - 4gigs of pretty Kingston ram in exchange for 4gigs of stock ram you'd get in a pre-build Acer or the such - Not complaining - it allowed me to get my pc running...
But the problem is it's all over the place and i'm better off giving the PC as a hand-me-down to my younger Sister and getting a new PC for myself.
Since there seem to be alot of Techies in this thread.... (I can build PC's with ease - im just nowhere up to speed on what hardware works best with this or which hardware is incompatable/causes errors with that....)
Is someone able to put together a list of components for a PC which can handle 4-5 Clients of eve Across 3 Monitors? I have a laptop which acts as the 4th monitor and is content to run 1 client without issues.
ty :P
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Wait what how when?
I'll post my epeen computer when it has arrived in parts. But I must say I love RevoDrives...
7 minutes...you're slacking :)
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 16/06/2011 22:27:58
Originally by: Ladrial Celeritas Thankyou a very considered and well laid out post that all makes good sense thanks.
This is the load 4 clients running 1920x1080 with all in game graphic settings to max will put on my system while docked in CQ.
You can draw your own conclusions what you will need from here on but a few points points of interest are:
Each core on the CPU is only running at 50% Over 6GB of RAM is used If you tried to pull this off with less than 1.9GB effective frame buffer you would get 1fps. So unless you want to play with Anti-Alias at low or off make sure you have 2GB video memory per installed GPU (so 4GB dual GPU cards, or 2GB single GPU cards).
As for going 16GB RAM, yes it is overkill but have you seen how silly cheap 8GB of performance DDR3 ram is now?
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:33:00 -
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Mashie I dont know what that all means im sorry could you explain it simpliar for me thanks.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:59:02
Originally by: Chuffer pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.
Let's be honest - when was the last time you ever upgraded only your CPU and kept your old motherboard ?
Last week
And uhm... who knows if it's overkill. He might need the fat CPU to be able to dock his four characters come Incarna
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Mashie I dont know what that all means im sorry could you explain it simpliar for me thanks.
Ok, for a CPU either get an i7-2600k or and i5-2500k. Either will be plenty at stock speed. The 990x that the rep at OcUK suggested is a massive waste of money for what you plan on using it for.
For RAM, 8GB is the sweetspot as you need an even number of modules in Z68 motherboards, I suggest 2 x 4GB modules for easy upgrade in the future if needed.
Now the bit that is complex, the graphics. As you can see in that screenshot 4 clients running 1920x1080 with all settings maxed out will need at least 1836MB of video memory. As you are adding multiple videocards in a system the usable amount of memory isn't multiplied. So say you install two 1GB videocards thinking they will behave as 2GB, that isn't the case. The system will treat that as one 1GB card.
I didn't read up on the displays you will use but if they support displayport you can get away with using just one of these as they have 4 ports and an effective memory of 2GB. The other options are getting two GTX 580 3GB cards (like me) or two 2GB AMD cards such as the 6960.
And to repeat from earlier, if you want any kind of after sale support, stay away from overclockersuk.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 11:06:00 -
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I found this and thought it might be another consideration, as they have some 4 x monitor setups/configs ready to go.
AK
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.06.19 11:44:00 -
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That'l do great until Tuesday...
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:15:52
Originally by: Ladrial Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz
Overkill, but eh, why not. Personally, I would have preferred an "old style" i7 that can handle triple channel RAM and overclocking is NOT "turbo-boost" based, but manually selectable. If you're going for overkill, get an i7-990X == OVERKILL !!!
Quote: Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
More than sufficient.
Quote: GX-146-OK OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5
Display Connectors: 2x Dual-Link DVI-I & 1x Mini-HDMI 1.4a (Includes HDMI & VGA Adapters) You can't use 4 monitors with just one of those.
You'll need two video cards. Feel free to downgrade to 2x GTX 560Ti (it's actually cheaper and much faster overall) or even 2x GTX 560 (much cheaper, and still a bit faster overall). Plus you get 2 GB video RAM total that way.
EDIT : oh, you may want to change the Gigabyte Z68X-UD3P Intel Z68 mobo for something else as well in that case.
Quote: Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x16 (PCIEX16) * For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. 1 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x8 (PCIEX8) * The PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When the PCIEX8 slot is populated with a PCI Express graphics card, the PCIEX16 slot will operate at up to x8 mode. 3 x PCI Express x1 slot 2 x PCI slots
Find one that supports two PCI-E slots both running at x16 for best performance.
Aside from the standard amd/ati vs nvidia, is xfire not outclassing SLI right now? 6xxx cards scale WAY better in xfire mode than nvidia cards in sli. Besides better drivers for that purpose (hey, one of those rare cases that ati/amd drivers are better than nvidias) it seems that nvidia 5xx cards lacking in the memory side compared to 6xxx cards. Furthermore there is a good multi monitor support with amd/ati cards, a single amd card can support up to 4 screens with dvi/hdmi and even up to 6 displays with display port 1.2, and there is Eyefinity. Still you should be careful when buying that your chosen card has the ports you want and can support your monitor setup.
pcie 8/8 should be "ok", 16/16 still better, but less than 10% performance gain over 8/8.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 12:56:57
Well, it's not like the OP was fast or precise in making his actual intentions known, so we had to make a lot of assumptions, and if you look to the next few posts you'll see how the recommendations get altered. Also, eh, 10% extra performance is not quite something to scoff at, especially when it comes with less than 10% price increase.
1GB is 1GB, be it on an ATI or a NVIDIA. But yeah, you're right, it's easier to find more video-RAM on ATI cards than on NVIDIA cards.
Oh, and 2-way SLI vs 2-way Crossfire, it's not like you'll really notice much of a difference, scaling-wise. From what I understand, it's from 3 cards and up that you start having problems. I might be understanding wrong though.
And as long as he actually keeps the client windows on separate screens, he might not even have to engage SLI/Crossfire mode at all in the first place, no ? I mean, it should be possible to have each card managing two separate desktops, right ? Extend desktop instead of desktop span, that is. Not really sure, haven't personally experimented with multi-card setups lately. _
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And as long as he actually keeps the client windows on separate screens, he might not even have to engage SLI/Crossfire mode at all in the first place, no ? I mean, it should be possible to have each card managing two separate desktops, right ? Extend desktop instead of desktop span, that is. Not really sure, haven't personally experimented with multi-card setups lately.
I am not sure how windows drivers handle separated desktops, if the drivers can separate the gfx cards from each other in such a scenario than xfire / sli performance and memory really become less relevant. But I would not bet my money on that. Anyway for the performance benchmarks of dual-sli and tripple-sli here is a comparison: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling,2742-8.html AMDs 6xxx series scales in general better than 5xx cards, in low resolutions a triple-setups are wasted anyway in high resolution setups amd shines even more.
If you compare 4xx vs 5xxx cards than nvidia looks a lot better again and seems to be the better solution for sli/xfire.
And by the way, less than 10% and sometimes the extra money for the 16/16 board actually make more than 10% of the whole systems, its always depending on the setup, sometimes 16/16 is a absolutely money saver, sometimes money is spend on something else better, depending on overall budget and system. It is something to consider, and if your spending some money or want to update later I guess you are right and 16/16 is the way to go. My next board will be a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3. Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
I do have a question though; why 4 monitors? Why not 3?
4 Accounts, each account gets its own screen, this should work fine. For spanning a main account 3 monitor setup should work better. For 3 Accounts a 4 monitor setup could work good as well, 2 Accounts get each their own monitor while the main account gets 2 monitors and the main ui is based on one screen while overview, chat and other stuff which "blocks" the screen is put onto the other display. Though it just looks and gives you no real game advantage over 3 monitors ;)
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:46:00 -
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Hahaha you're really a horrible bunch of nerds!
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:57:00 -
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so uhm u guys say my configuration isn't enough?
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.19 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial im happy to spend maybe too much cash if it means i havent gotta touch the thing for 5yrs +.
That¦s what we¦re trying to explain to you. Getting the super duper yardware now will NOT make your rig that more competitive 5 years in the future. As by then they will have invented new crap that will "pawn" whatever was top notch, compared to now at practically bargain bin prizes.
Also don¦t fall for the overhyped intel supremacy. The new intel sandybridge has some severe privacy issues all the intel fanbois just don¦t want to hear about and therefor ridicule "unbelievers" vehemently. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Ladrial im happy to spend maybe too much cash if it means i havent gotta touch the thing for 5yrs +.
That¦s what we¦re trying to explain to you. Getting the super duper yardware now will NOT make your rig that more competitive 5 years in the future.
Yes and no. It means his system will be crap in 5 years, but still he has not to TOUCH it for 5 years. At least if he get lucky enough not to use any components which will just break within 3 years like my last 10 pieces of asus hardware did (mainboards and graphic cards). That can be worth the extra money for some. Others like to update more regular and spend less or the same money per year while having on average better performance. Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
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Takashi Sama
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Posted - 2011.06.19 14:35:00 -
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Case : Corsair 650D Motherboard : Z68 Asus CPU : i7 2600k CPU Cooler : Corsair H80 or Corsair H100 RAM : 2x4GB Corsair Veng GPU : 2x 560Ti PSU : Corsair 750W (Modular) HDD : 1 TB Barracuda SSD : OCZ Vertex 2, (OS) OS : Windows 7 Home Premium 32+64bit DVD Drive : LG blah
There you go. Get what ever monitors you want. Here is a perfect rig for what you want.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 17:59:00 -
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Thankyou for the advice everyone it is appreciated. I do get confused and will be easy to "mug off" with super expensive components I have taken on board some of that from here so thanks.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:01:00 -
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I am probably going for something like this now:
"Ultima Mosasaur" Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz @ 4.60GHz DDR3 Sandybridge System ú979.98
Options applied to the above product: Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) ú79.99
Options applied to the above product: Overclock selected ú20.00
Options applied to the above product: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GLC-00736) ú149.99
Options applied to the above product: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-120G) ú174.98
Options applied to the above product: MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card ú224.99
Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System - 500W RMS (980-000469) ú329.00
Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - BlackIiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Blackú149.99 ú599.96
Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard (920-000978)ú99.98
Razer DeathAdder Respawn 3500dpi Xtreme Precision Gaming Mouse - Retail ú42.98
Total : ú2,728.08
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 18:34:49
Originally by: Ladrial Thankyou for the advice everyone it is appreciated.
What good is advice given if you barely follow tiny parts of it ? The most important part of the advice should have been "stay away from overclockers.co.uk". Which you completely ignored. You have barely altered the original configuration, and you're still paying far more than needed for something that will become a lot less expensive in not that long of a time.
2500 without a K is far less expensive and performs almost as well without overclocking. But you chose the 2600K. Oh well. Overclocking "selected" ? So you're paying 20 GBP for a setting in BIOS you can manually enable for zero cost ? Also, permanent overclocking will lead to earlier damage to your machine. Doubt it will still work 5 years from now. And you don't NEED that overclocking to begin with anyway. Not even with the "slower" CPU.
The speakers are also quite overkill, so unless you plan to entertain an entire sports hall with it, I see no point in such powerful speakers. Then again, maybe you do want to hold a big house party with them or something. Just don't burn them out. If you're getting such powerful speakers, whenever you ramp them up, any minor background noise could become quite annoying, and this is one of the very few occasions I would say getting a decent dedicated sound card might actually make sense. The system you selected has onboard sound, and you haven't mentioned any sound card addition.
Keyboard and mouse, meh, I suppose a matter of taste, but still quite expensive... and for what ?
The monitors you selected get "meh" reviews. I suppose decent enough for everyday use, but allegedly they have problems displaying the proper color temperature, contrast is supposed to be below average, being a TN panel the vertical view angle is quite bad (the horizontal one not much greater either, and since you'll use two you WILL notice significant distortions at the edges), and the responsiveness is not too good, overdrive mode is finicky, etc. _
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:44:00 -
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Yeah I loked again at the extra items costs and feel that I will very much downgrade them,I dont need the speakers that expensive or the mouse and key board. But every up to date machine seems to go for an i7 processor. As i said I dot know much about this stuff and with the changes happening to the game i dont want to get caught out just after buying a new machine.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:46:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 18:56:24
Just stay away from that particular retailer.
And you don't need an 2600k, a 2500 will do just fine. 2600K is 3.4 GHz base with 8MB cache and costs ~320$ 2500 is 3.3 GHz base with 6MB cache and costs ~200$ The "K" is really just for HEAVY overclockers, and quite frankly, it's seldom worth it (both price and overclocking in general).
Look at what the first post on this page lists, as a rough guideline. _
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Taint
Caldari A Pack Of Wolfes
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Taint on 19/06/2011 18:52:20
Originally by: Ladrial there are 2 cards the same 2x gtx 580s
its gonna make alot of noise :)
MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card Its Radeon ............. thats no good :)
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:56:00 -
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Is that hard drive fast i was told that the more expensive ones make loading allot faster and is 8gb enough ram?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 19:21:35
Yes, 8 GB will be quite sufficient for 4 EVE instances. Heck, even 6 GB will probably just about do it. If you want though, feel free to get 12 GB or even 16 GB. RAM is quite friggin' cheap these days, and you never know what else you might end up wanting to run at the same time eventually. _
A SSD is not a HDD.
A SSD is basically a chunk of memory that doesn't get wiped when you turn the power off, and is obviously quite a bit faster than a regular HDD.
But also a lot, LOT more expensive. AND there are other drawbacks to a SSD.
For starters, a SSD has a quite limited lifespan. It's in the number of write cycles. The more you use it, the faster it croaks. Under 5 years to failure is actually quite usual for normal usage. Earlier for heavy-duty usage. And if you keep your swap file on it (or god knows what else, and I bet you would use it in the most unfortunate way possible) it may very well croak in 2 years or so. Heck, it might even croak in a year with careful use if you're even a tad bit unlucky.
And do you really care whether your OS boots up in 18 seconds instead of 1 minute, or if the next level loads in 6 seconds instead of 14 seconds ? That is, if you can really afford to keep the game on the SSD, since they're usually quite small. If you have usually a lot of games installed at the same time, forget about installing them on the SSD, they won't fit on any reasonably-priced SSD.
There are advantages to a SSD, but for "regular" gaming, a SSD is far from necessary. Especially for a game like EVE for which you can enable resource caching (isn't it even on by default?) and when you have oodles of RAM (which you plan to have).
A high-speed good quality regular good-old fashioned spinning magnetic plate HDD will usually last much longer and not be that much slower anyway. Oh, and it will be many times cheaper (for the same total capacity).
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:27:00 -
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How much RAM can i put on that mother board?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:37:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ladrial How much RAM can i put on that mother board?
Which one ?
Originally by: Takashi Sama [...] Motherboard : Z68 Asus[...]
This one ? Click on the technical specs tab. It says "Memory Capacity: 32GB" right there. _
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Takashi Sama
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 22:10:59
Originally by: Ladrial How much RAM can i put on that mother board?
Which one ?
Originally by: Takashi Sama [...] Motherboard : Z68 Asus [...]
This one ?
Click on the technical specs tab. It says "Memory Capacity: 32GB" right there. Both the 2500 and the 2600K can handle up to 32GB of RAM too. From the picture of the motherboard on that site, there are 4 memory slots.
So you could stick 4 pieces of 8 GB DDR3 in there if you wanted to, that is, if you can find any place that sells 8 GB sticks. 2 kits of dual channel 2x4 GB (2x2x4=16 total) should be quite enough though. Depending on model/speed/timings you select, that should cost you anywhere between 130 GBP and 270 GBP.
Takashi suggested 2x4GB Corsair Veng - @1866, CL9 - 16 GB of those would cost you 173 GBP, which is just about near the top of the sweet spot for price/performance. Personally, I don't really see the need for going quite as high on the RAM clock (mobo supports them too, but listed as "OC"). I would say you can even go as low as two sets of these instead and still call it being in the (lower portion) of the sweet spot : same thing, but @1600 for 141 GBP total. Or, if you insist on performance, just about in the middle, better two of these : almost the same @1600 but CL8 (lower is better) for 159 GBP total.
Yeah it does say it can go up to 32gb but there is no need. 6/8gb is more than sufficent for what the guy/girl wants to use it for.
I chose the 1866 1's because you can downclock them slightly to run better with the cpu in a ratio. Which will outperform the 1600's by far as you might have to OC the 1600's a little to be at a nice ratio with the cpu.
That motherboard is best for its price range. Can't get better. If you go with sandybridge i would always consider overclocking them because they can OC so well. Getting to 4.2ghz on 1 is easy. 5ghz+ is when it gets a bit harder.
I've wrote up the specs from experience building alot of peoples PC's and reading overclock.net 08/7
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2011 16:59:02
Originally by: Chuffer pretty much a dead socket. Its waaaaay over priced and basically a dead end in terms of upgrade path.
Let's be honest - when was the last time you ever upgraded only your CPU and kept your old motherboard ? I've never done that, and I swapped plenty PCs in my long PC-ownership lifetime.
Exactly.... I've too been upgrading for years and right now I have 12 working rigs in my house 3 of them I7's and one I5. I've never upgraded a processor only even if I could...
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial I am probably going for something like this now:
"Ultima Mosasaur" Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz @ 4.60GHz DDR3 Sandybridge System ú979.98
Options applied to the above product: Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) ú79.99
Options applied to the above product: Overclock selected ú20.00
Options applied to the above product: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GLC-00736) ú149.99
Options applied to the above product: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (AGT3-25SAT3-120G) ú174.98
Options applied to the above product: MSI ATI Radeon HD 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card ú224.99
Logitech Z906 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System - 500W RMS (980-000469) ú329.00
Iiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - BlackIiyama ProLite E2410HDSD 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Blackú149.99 ú599.96
Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard (920-000978)ú99.98
Razer DeathAdder Respawn 3500dpi Xtreme Precision Gaming Mouse - Retail ú42.98
Total : ú2,728.08
LOL. Made my day. I admit, was so far not a good day ... ;) Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
There are advantages to a SSD, but for "regular" gaming, a SSD is far from necessary. Especially for a game like EVE for which you can enable resource caching (isn't it even on by default?) and when you have oodles of RAM (which you plan to have).
Load Times should decrease in eve, general boot times of a system with a ssd boot device as well. And do not forget eve is limited to 2gb of ram usage. I would not bet any money on it that you won¦t notice the difference of a raptor vs a good ssd in eve.
Anyway, as you do not only play eve and reducing load times of your os and your primary used software IS dramatic with ssds I would always use at least a small one (about 64gb) as boot device in any system which is not on a low budget. Still you are right for about any disadvantages of ssds you mentioned, they are expensive, they are still not perfect reliable, they are small and it is unreasonable to install huge software libraries on them. For all those purposes a good raptor raid will be superior. And STILL I would use the raptors + a ssd just to increase my boot times and the load time of my primary used apps.
At least if I would plan to spend money on a system, right now I am planing more along the lines of a small ssd, 6850, 4-core Phenom + board, a few bigger hdds as storage and spend on the stuff just about 300Ç. Boot times and load times matter to me, and will anyway increase performance in daily use far more than adding more gpu or cpu power. Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 20/06/2011 23:41:55
Originally by: ivar R'dhak Also don¦t fall for the overhyped intel supremacy. The new intel sandybridge has some severe privacy issues
No, they really don't.
Quote: all the intel fanbois just don¦t want to hear about and therefor ridicule "unbelievers" vehemently.
If by fanboy you mean someone who compares products and then buys whichever one gives the best performance for the least money... right?? - NEVER PVP SOBER. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:52:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
P.S. Nice rig... Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:51:00 -
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Screw DDR3!
Toshiba is selling XDR RAM now. Get atleast 16 Gigabytes of that instead. ____________ ___105251___ ^^My Signature is Better than Yours^^ |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Josefine Etrange on 21/06/2011 15:09:53
Originally by: Celeritas 5k Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 20/06/2011 23:41:55
Originally by: ivar R'dhak Also don¦t fall for the overhyped intel supremacy. The new intel sandybridge has some severe privacy issues
No, they really don't.
Quote: all the intel fanbois just don¦t want to hear about and therefor ridicule "unbelievers" vehemently.
If by fanboy you mean someone who compares products and then buys whichever one gives the best performance for the least money... right??
Hey, AMD is winning against Intel on your link. Nice one. (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue) And we can clearly see, AMD is not selling any high-end consumer cpus right now, so if you need one really, really bad ass cpu Intel is without competition. If you just need enough cpu power to make sure it will not be the bottleneck for your gpu(s), than AMDis still more than cable to deliver.
Most funny note after a quick watch of that list:
Intel Xeon X5460 @ 3.16GHz5,020 $999.99** vs AMD Opteron 61285,147 $259.99* vs Intel Xeon X5492 @ 3.40GHz5,223 $1,391.29**
And btw, you link to that forum post is funny as hell, a fanboy who did not understand the technology explains why it is no problem. Priceless.
"[This is basically a] remote switch [that] can disable the Intel Sandy Bridge processor if it is ever lost or stolen. So unless someone is a computer thief and does that for a living, this should not affect anyone at all." Great, or maybe, unless someone else use this feature to brick your hardware. It is not like the cpu automagical detects if it gets stolen, it is just a software switch. Someone is sending the signal, the hardware is bricked.
Oh, and btw I like this feature, I still can understand why people have problems with a feature that can be abused and take away control of their hardware.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 21/06/2011 18:50:51
Originally by: Josefine Etrange Hey, AMD is winning against Intel on your link. Nice one. (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue) And we can clearly see, AMD is not selling any high-end consumer cpus right now, so if you need one really, really bad ass cpu Intel is without competition. If you just need enough cpu power to make sure it will not be the bottleneck for your gpu(s), than AMDis still more than cable to deliver.
Most funny note after a quick watch of that list:
Intel Xeon X5460 @ 3.16GHz5,020 $999.99** vs AMD Opteron 61285,147 $259.99* vs Intel Xeon X5492 @ 3.40GHz5,223 $1,391.29**
I didn't link the cpu value page, I linked the straight performance page. I said earlier on in the thread that AMD is the budget brand and intel is the performance brand; AMD's performance per dollar ratio is better but their top end is nowhere close to intel's. It sounds like we agree here!
AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.
Quote: And btw, you link to that forum post is funny as hell, a fanboy who did not understand the technology explains why it is no problem. Priceless.
"[This is basically a] remote switch [that] can disable the Intel Sandy Bridge processor if it is ever lost or stolen. So unless someone is a computer thief and does that for a living, this should not affect anyone at all." Great, or maybe, unless someone else use this feature to brick your hardware. It is not like the cpu automagical detects if it gets stolen, it is just a software switch. Someone is sending the signal, the hardware is bricked.
Oh, and btw I like this feature, I still can understand why people have problems with a feature that can be abused and take away control of their hardware.
You didn't actually read the link, because if you had you'd see written in red towards the top:
Originally by: OCN This feature is only available in some commercial laptop processors
I linked a source, which linked to several more sources. You didn't. I hope you step on a lego. - NEVER PVP SOBER. |
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Celeritas 5k
AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.
Which is not the department that matters at least according to you. Oh, and if we take your 95% to about everyone else. I know btw perfectly well to which pages you linked, and even on your "straight performance page" it is very clear that you get a lot more performance per $ with amd. You know, the values are there as well ;-)
Furthermore you are amusing as well. Did I read your priceless forum troll link or not? Did you read it? Your source even admit the privacy problems, just do not understand them. I am not sure if you just don¦t care about them or if you do not even understand any of the problems. "Intel got pricey issues" - "No, no they don¦t look." - "What a piece of rubbish." - "See, not all intels got privacy problems, and only burglars would care anyway!11!!"
So lets sum up, amd is producing the desktop cpus gamers need, while intel is producing overpriced cpus for everyone AND even more overpriced cpus no one really needs. At least if you have to pay retail prices. Further more intel is producing a series of mobile cpus which are great, just some of them could brick your rig without further warning.
Lets hug, I love you because you make me laugh.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.06.21 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Josefine Etrange
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
AMD chips are great for HTPC builds, regular "internet and microsoft office" builds, and even most gaming builds since 95% of games are GPU limited anyway. That said, you have to scroll halfway down the cpu performance page before you find an AMD chip, clearly Intel is winning in the straight up horsepower department. And yes, that performance does make a difference.
Which is not the department that matters at least according to you. Oh, and if we take your 95% to about everyone else. I know btw perfectly well to which pages you linked, and even on your "straight performance page" it is very clear that you get a lot more performance per $ with amd. You know, the values are there as well ;-)
Furthermore you are amusing as well. Did I read your priceless forum troll link or not? Did you read it? Your source even admit the privacy problems, just do not understand them. I am not sure if you just don¦t care about them or if you do not even understand any of the problems. "Intel got pricey issues" - "No, no they don¦t look." - "What a piece of rubbish." - "See, not all intels got privacy problems, and only burglars would care anyway!11!!"
So lets sum up, amd is producing the desktop cpus gamers need, while intel is producing overpriced cpus for everyone AND even more overpriced cpus no one really needs. At least if you have to pay retail prices. Further more intel is producing a series of mobile cpus which are great, just some of them could brick your rig without further warning.
Lets hug, I love you because you make me laugh.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:13:20 Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:11:25 Edited by: Ladrial on 21/06/2011 23:09:31 I am getting it now much easier as I read more. I think the system that "Takashi Sama" posted (Thanks), does indeed look very good as they are great graphics cards. I have said how I would like to remain upgradable and future-proof if possible so I am now looking at getting a better mother-board to be able to upgrade/improve.
Does my statement about a better motherboard make sense? I was thinking something like this: Rampage III It says this has six memory slots and can take 3 cards in sli and support more RAM
Ok but then I have been reading about the socket and that one is 1366 which the cpu isnt the i7 2600k is a 1155 socket. It seems the 1366 sockets offer more scope for better motherboards which ultimately seem to have a major affect on the machines future capabilities.
Is the 1155 socket going become out of date? Will the 1366 socket live longer? If im talking absolute s**t please say so Im learning!
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Avrien
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Avrien on 22/06/2011 02:11:20 Have you thought about linux instead of windows. You will save several hundred dollars and EVE runs pretty nice on WINE. You don't notice it isn't native. A problem does come up there is a good chance it just needs to have a setting changed in WINE. I've run two accounts on my setup but it stalls after I start running the stupid linux excel program and all the other junk. I keep open. I think it's processor overload. but I only have a 6600 core2 quad core and 4GB DDR2 ram. It almost run them without hickups on max settings. Get some lag though after a bit if I'm switching back and forth a lot between desktops.
I'm currently running:
CPU: Intel Core2 6600 quad core MBO: Gigabyte GB-EP35-DSR3(did I spell that last part correctly?) MEM: G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800 PC 10000 VID: Gigabyte Nvidia 8800GT 512MB card. Sound: Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro(not using atm because 7.1 speakers are dead. Using onboard.) POW: Corsair TX650W OS: Ubuntu 11.04 Linux 64Bit(FREE!!!!)
I can run 2 windowed version at max in WINE(program to translate Directx into Opengl code or something for compatability.). Though it can get hickups at max. Can run at preformance level with spreadsheets and other stuff up. Though I have to not push it. 8) Did I forget anything? You can always use linux first then install windows. It is friendlier that way. then you can choose to spend the money afterwords. A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.Thomas Jefferson
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Avrien
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:02:00 -
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Have you thought about linux instead of windows. You will save several hundred dollars and EVE runs pretty nice on WINE. You don't notice it isn't native. A problem does come up there is a good chance it just needs to have a setting changed in WINE. I've run two accounts on my setup but it stalls after I start running the stupid linux excel program and all the other junk. I keep open. I think it's processor overload. but I only have a 6600 core2 quad core and 4GB DDR2 ram. It almost run them without hickups on max settings. Get some lag though after a bit if I'm switching back and forth a lot between desktops. A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.Thomas Jefferson
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris If it's running at 2,600 Kelvin you've got some serious problems.
naw it just means its running as hot as an old prescott core or a current era video card.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 26/06/2011 22:35:12 Edited by: Ladrial on 26/06/2011 22:34:22 Edited by: Ladrial on 26/06/2011 22:32:22 PSU Linkage 750W Corsair HX Series, Modular, 80 PLUS Silver, 90% Eff', SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V
CASE Linkage Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Black Mid Tower Case with Side Window w/o PSU
Intel Core i7 2600K Unlocked, S1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, GPU 850Mhz 8MB Cache, 95W OEM
Asus P8Z68-V PRO, Intel Z68, S 1155, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 2200(OC), SATA 6Gb/s, RAID, ATX, HDMI
Corsair H100 Hydro Series Extreme Performance CPU cooler, S775/1155/1156/1366/2011/AM2/AM3
2 X 2GB Point of View GTX 560 Ti Charged, 4008MHz GDDR5, GPU 860MHz, Shader 1721MHz, 384 Cores, mHDMI
2 x 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance Blue, DDR3 PC3-14900(1866), Non-ECC Unbuffered, 9-10-9-27, XMP, 1.50V
120GB OCZ Technology Vertex 3, 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Sandforce SSD, Read 550MB/s, Write 500MB/s, 60K IOPS
LG GH22NS50 22x DVD¦R, 16xDVD¦DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 ,12xRAM SATA, Black, OEM
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Retail (Green) 32 & 64 Bit
27" Asus VE278Q LED, 1920 x 1080, 2ms, 300 cd/m, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI-D/DisplayPort
2 X 21.5" Asus VE228H LED, 1920 x 1080, 5ms, 250 cd/m, 1080p, HDMI/D-Sub/DVI-D
Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse Laser, 5700dpi, USB, Weight Tuning, 10 Programmable Buttons & Memory
Logitech G510 Gaming Keyboard, Programmable, LCD Panel, Custom Colour Back Lit
Corsair Gaming Audio Series SP2500 High-power 2.1 PC Speaker System, 232Watts RMS, Wired controller
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Ghost Nightmare
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:00:00 -
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I have a very similar setup
I7 2600k @ 4.6ghz 8gb DDR3 2100mhz 2 x Nvidia 570s. Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard
Unfortunately, even with the two 570s my computer fails to run eve on 3 screens effectively.
(Runs 6 clients max settings on 2 screens perfectly but with 3 clients on low settings on 3 monitors it lags like a #$%@.)
Not entirely sure why, perhaps I need a 3rd 570?
So one 580 wont cut it and I doubt 2 will either, youll probably need 3.
(Unless someone can explain why it doesn't like 3 clients on 3 screens, it doesnt make any sense, my old 280m ran 3 clients on its own easy...)
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial stuff
Lookin' good - but don't forget to install the 64 bit version of Windows 7, as all that juicy RAM will need it.
AK
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:21:00 -
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I now intend to have 3 monitors one large and two small and run 3 -5 clients I hope the machine above will do this if not I really don't want it!
The guy on the phone at scan really couldn't understand why I didn't want it over clocked he was quite surprised in fact.
Those cards I have in the build as recommended by another poster are 2GB each so I hope they can run 3-5 accounts on 3 Monitors. Trouble is adding a third card really limits which mobo you can go for.
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