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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:00:00 -
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Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick2011 Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
how would a pirate profit from your implants ? |
Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 17/06/2011 20:05:57 I never considered Level 5 implants to be particularly worth it. They're nearly a billion ISK for a complete set, and it only knocks a few days at most off a month or so plan. Good for real long-term, but you need expendable ISK or cash.
Either you spend $35, or you're floating in ISK, which I doubt.
Keeping your clone in hi-sec is not much of a problem unless you provoke, or get war-dec'd. Even so, can't pod in hi-sec without the pirate making a sacrifice. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself. |
Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Maverick2011 Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
how would a pirate profit from your implants ?
duh i guess that answers he question, lol, still a noob here
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Thomas Gallant
Gallente St Andrews
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:04:00 -
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Implants don't drop they get destroyed when you are podded, besides, I don't think there is a way for someone to tell what implants you have anyway without your API.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Maverick2011 Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
how would a pirate profit from your implants ?
We'd have to come up with an isk value of tears. I'm sure one exists, we'd just have to agree on a conversion rate.
OP could also limit the pirate's profits by holding back his tears/hatemails.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 17/06/2011 20:05:57 I never considered Level 5 implants to be particularly worth it. They're nearly a billion ISK for a complete set, and it only knocks a few days at most off a month or so plan. Good for real long-term, but you need expendable ISK or cash.
^this
Standard implants suffice and do not hurt as bad when you get podded....unless you have a character/alt dedicated to research/manuf that never leaves a station.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick2011
Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Maverick2011 Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
how would a pirate profit from your implants ?
duh i guess that answers he question, lol, still a noob here
In order to destroy and lose the implants you need both to have your ship and then also your pod killed.
You CAN lose them in high sec in certain cases: die in a war against your corporation (not the NPC one you are in, you have to be in a real corp) or be victim of a smart bomb suicide gank.
It's quite rare though.
It's also difficult to lose your pod in low sec but first you need to learn to play in there, ie learn to spam warp to a planet when you see your ship about to die.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:11:00 -
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I only ever use +4s.
You take a break from Eve and any real benefit from +5s is lost anyway.
Your PC becomes faulty, you can lose time.
+5s are still too expensive for the benefit they give imo, plus the time used to train cybernetics to lvl 5 you could be using to train something else.
Unless you're trying to train everything as efficiently as possible without taking any breaks (why would you do that anyway?) then I would not bother with them.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Ozeki Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 17/06/2011 20:05:57 I never considered Level 5 implants to be particularly worth it. They're nearly a billion ISK for a complete set, and it only knocks a few days at most off a month or so plan. Good for real long-term, but you need expendable ISK or cash.
Either you spend $35, or you're floating in ISK, which I doubt.
Keeping your clone in hi-sec is not much of a problem unless you provoke, or get war-dec'd. Even so, can't pod in hi-sec without the pirate making a sacrifice.
Meh, some of us are.
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:12:00 -
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I hope Incarna has Butt-Bra's for all those butthurt people.
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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:14:00 -
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thanks for the answers ill go with +4 then
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
I hope Incarna has Butt-Bra's for all those butthurt people.
I hope incarna is lacking you
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian
I never considered Level 5 implants to be particularly worth it. They're nearly a billion ISK for a complete set, and it only knocks a few days at most off a month or so plan. Good for real long-term, but you need expendable ISK or cash.
Uhm, since when was a billion isk a huge setback for a one-time purchase? And yes, it should be a one-time purchase because god help you if you fly into combat with that clone. The +5 set, for me, has always been the "vacation," clone. Jump to it when i'm in empire and not doing much but training, leave it when i'm going 'splorin in low/null or intending to violence someone else's spaceboat.
vOv
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator Saturnius
Originally by: Syphon Lodian
I never considered Level 5 implants to be particularly worth it. They're nearly a billion ISK for a complete set, and it only knocks a few days at most off a month or so plan. Good for real long-term, but you need expendable ISK or cash.
Uhm, since when was a billion isk a huge setback for a one-time purchase? And yes, it should be a one-time purchase because god help you if you fly into combat with that clone. The +5 set, for me, has always been the "vacation," clone. Jump to it when i'm in empire and not doing much but training, leave it when i'm going 'splorin in low/null or intending to violence someone else's spaceboat.
If you're only using them whilst on vacation (I know others keep clones for the same purpose with +5s) and long absences from the game (whilst still paying the sub) then they are still not worth it in the great scheme of things.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:04:00 -
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If you only reside in high sec you have be kind of an idiot to lose the implants. Obviously use a different clone to move around during wars, but other than that you have to be either stupid or much lated to lose them in high sec.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mocam
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:10:00 -
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Safety isn't the major factor with respect to implants in highsec. As you can see there are plenty of comments about the ISK costs involved.
A lot of expense concerns deal with how a player operates and where they are in their career. For some of us, a billion isk isn't that much. Others among us, that's a healthy sum and still others, a vast fortune.
One thing about implants: I can afford spare ships, expensive fits, etc... I can buy them any time. What I cannot buy is even 1 more SP that I did *NOT* train earlier on no matter how much isk I have banked up. The implants get you that SP.
How you value the ISK vs time gaining SP is a personal call. Each to their own on what they determine as value-add.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 17/06/2011 21:16:16
I use +5s in high-sec (even in pvp) - only way you should ever get podded in empire is by smartbombs (do FoF missiles target pods?) or lag and that risk is one I am willing to take. I think I met a gatecamping disco battleship once - but even then I only lost a frigate and got my pod out in time.
I also recommend expensive implants/hardwirings over expensive modules - nobody sees those crystal implants in your head but the X-Type Shield Booster they replace would be visible on every ship scan.
... and never plug in a full set of learning implants - just plug in the two you need for the skills you are currently training (if your clone survives long enough you will eventually accumulate a full set, if it doesn't you will be glad to have listened to this advice).
The only time I lost a +5 clone was when I took it ratting in Providence ...
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:35:00 -
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My high sec clone has all 10 slots filled with level 5 implants. Never had an issue.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:54:00 -
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If I'm in high or low sec I fly with +5's.
When I go to w-space or null (I never go to null) I fly with +4's.
On my alt I just fly with +5's everywhere because she never moves without a scout anyway (in w-space).
Be smart and you will never be podded in empire (high or low)
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena My high sec clone has all 10 slots filled with level 5 implants. Never had an issue.
Same here.
I have jump clones with lesser implants in case I go to places where I could be podded. 90 SP/hour is still 1.6 million SP a year more than +3s, that's a Battlecruiser V for free.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 18/06/2011 10:13:00
Originally by: Maverick2011 Thinking about getting a set for me but idk if that would make me a 100% profit for pirates even in hi sec. Anyone fly with them around for level 4 missions without being bothered?
I have a few clones with expensive implants like full slave etc and fly them around in low-sec and 0.0 without being 'scared'.
The chance of you being podded in empire is VERRY unlikely as such the risk vs reward i'd say for pluging them in is good , however i agree with some others as to what degree the +5's gives you a learning bonus vs their price.Taking that into consideration i never used +5 implants in empire yet i fly with more expensive clones through low-sec and null because those clones can add a LOT to my goal at that time.
It's a personal choice as with everything in eve.Does that officer fit cnr do the job a LOT faster then the faction or regular cnr wich costs a ****load less?Do you really need that officer fit cnr for your lvl4 when a faction cnr or a tengu could do the job allmost as fast if you take the risk factor of loosing it?
Risk versus reward
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick2011 Do you guys walk in hi-sec with level 5 implants?
Not until the 21st ;)
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:32:00 -
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It isn't so expensive if you get the implants via LP stores. Plus 5 attribute enhancer implants are 65 million isk each plus 65,000 LPs. That isn't very many LPs these days since they changed the agents quality. You can have enough LPs for a full set in a few days if you mission hard on level 4 missions and do missions in like .5 or .6 space.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:54:00 -
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I haven't been podded without the use of a bubble in about 4 years. Anywhere I am without bubbles, its either pirate implants or +5s
I could be slightly off, but I remember it taking about ~450 days for the implants to pay for themselves ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:00:00 -
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I always have +5 implants in and I PVP with them as well. Sure I lose them occasionally but isk is easy in Eve and you can't buy skilltraining (unless you want to buy a higher SP character than your main, which I don't like.) Btw, except for smartbomb stuff, it's nearly impossible to lose these in high- or lowsec. And even in 0.0 you don't always get bubbled. Just don't wear a full set but only for the 2 attributes you're training, get a few jumpclones with different variations and you're done. --- Drykor - AHARM |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 I haven't been podded without the use of a bubble in about 4 years. Anywhere I am without bubbles, its either pirate implants or +5s
I could be slightly off, but I remember it taking about ~450 days for the implants to pay for themselves
I still don't think +5s are really worth it.
Although I'm sure those that try to sell them would hate for the market to crash because no one is buying them.
It's a personal choice at the end of the day. I have the isk easily enough to use +5s but really don't seen any major benefit, especially as I sometimes take short breaks from the game.
With +5s I'd get 1 extra point in each attributes, so that's about 1.5 points more whilst training a skill. It's just not enough to lose any sleep over.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 11:24:59
Each +1 to the set of implants grants roughly +788,400 SP/year (or, if you prefer, roughly +64,800 SP/month).
Full set differences (heavily rounded) +1s vs none: ~ 1-2 mil ISK = worth it to almost anybody, even trial accounts or people that PvP like crazy in 0.0 +2s vs +1s : ~ +20 mil ISK = worth it for people that are unsure they'll sub for more than a month, and for most PvPers +3s vs +2s : ~ +30 mil ISK = worth it for most people that know will play at least a couple of months, or for most PvPers that avoid 0.0 +4s vs +3s : ~ +50 mil ISK = worth it for people that know will be playing actively for a while and usually avoid PvP where they can lose the pod +5s vs +4s : ~ +400 mil ISK = worth it for people with plenty of ISK to spare that want to play for a longer while and avoid PvP like the plague
P.S. Reduce that to less than half if you only get "the ones that matter" (usually, PER and INT).
For instance, as long as you train JUST ship/weapon skills for a whole year, you're looking at +525,600 SP in that year for just about 80 mil ISK difference (from +4 to +5 PER implant). Of course, if you're a 0.0 PvPer, that would be quite pointless. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 I could be slightly off, but I remember it taking about ~450 days for the implants to pay for themselves
How much isk does cost the skill point?
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Planktal
Gallente Kenshao Industries Galactic Acqisition Specialists
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:26:00 -
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I've been running with +5s in my head for about 4 years, worth it IMO. . . Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. Everyone has a right to be stupid, just some people abuse the privilege. |
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