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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Precisionist on 18/06/2011 19:19:07 Make sure you make it for like 0.1 - 0.4 systems, might be some reason for people to go into them instead of being in a 0.0 blob. We might get some of the anti pirate corp much needed.
This means 0.0 - 0.4 = only way to get ICE.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:19:00 -
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Move ice to only be in low sec. Now that would make for an interesting time.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore Move ice to only be in low sec. Now that would make for an interesting time.
Well thats not what I meant, I edit though :). But that would be very cool, especially for me :)! Low sec would actually have a real main purpose. I think if they made perhaps better quality ICE in low sec, and then still some good ice in NULL it would be fun as well :)
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 18/06/2011 19:38:27 Would be nice if ICE was lowsec only (not null). Then powerblocks would have to bring expeditions to lowsec for their ice instead of within their very safe sprawling nullsec empires.
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 18/06/2011 19:38:27 Would be nice if ICE was lowsec only (not null). Then powerblocks would have to bring expeditions to lowsec for their ice instead of within their very safe sprawling nullsec empires.
This would spice up eve A LOT, because pirates would have some fights ahead of them, because the null sec people would be forced to fight.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:44:00 -
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If you move ice out of highsec, create Cyclotron (or similar) structures for PI that allow turning water with some other complex stuff into specific isotopes. Of course much less efficient than ice mining but a simple monopoly breaker to keep the ice market from crashing completely. --------
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Chungcha Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:20:00 -
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Moving ice to null or low sec / null only is a moronic idea. This will have adverse effects on all the HS research towers and cause significantly higher ice product prices. Further, doing so will anger a significantly large portion of the player base and will be a huge subscription killer. That will include my 4 accounts. The current distribution model of ice throughout New Eden is fine as is.
CCP needs to get there collective heads out of the a$$es and drop this idea immediately.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chungcha Nova This will have adverse effects on all the HS research towers and cause significantly higher ice product prices.
àI suspect that that would be kind of the point. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tyme Xandr
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Chungcha Nova This will have adverse effects on all the HS research towers and cause significantly higher ice product prices.
àI suspect that that would be kind of the point.
Exactly. Increasing the price to have ur own personal structure is kind of the point were trying to add. The increase in targets to lowsec will only add meaning to lowsec. Hisec blueprint researchers/copiers might have to do more with their time in EVE then sit with a docked up alt running jobs all day and might have to play the game.
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Tsubutai
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:30:00 -
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It's a great idea if you like the idea of massively raising the cost of T2 items.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tsubutai Edited by: Tsubutai on 18/06/2011 21:40:37 It's a great idea if you want to massively raise the cost of T2 items.
Oh well, the price will affect everyone the same way, so it won't exactly be unbalanced. There was a time when T2 was nonexistant. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tsubutai It's a great idea if you want to massively raise the cost of T2 items.
Excellent! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ste'ven Sch'orik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:39:00 -
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Moving ice is a terrible idea. There is nothing wrong with the way it is right now. If it aint broken, don't fix it! People that want it in 0.0/lowsec only are the people that stand to benefit the most and take part of the gameplay away from everyone else just like those corps that hog all the level 5 missions so that only they have access to them. Just a downright terrible idea. ________________________________________________
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik Moving ice is a terrible idea. There is nothing wrong with the way it is right now. If it aint broken, don't fix it! People that want it in 0.0/lowsec only are the people that stand to benefit the most and take part of the gameplay away from everyone else just like those corps that hog all the level 5 missions so that only they have access to them. Just a downright terrible idea.
It is broken. Ice mining is ridiculously profitable for a highsec profession. Not to mention, lowsec is also broken. Moving them to strictly lowsec would help to fix both issues.
And hogging level 5 missions? WTF? You know that agents give an infinite amount of missions, right? -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tsubutai It's a great idea if you want to massively raise the cost of T2 items.
It's a valid point but I would happily trade higher prices for T2 (which I fly almost exclusively) in return for a revamp of lowsec and a reason to fight over it.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.19 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 18/06/2011 19:38:27 Would be nice if ICE was lowsec only (not null). Then powerblocks would have to bring expeditions to lowsec for their ice instead of within their very safe sprawling nullsec empires.
Yeah, mining ice with a hundred guys ***ging around in a defence fleet is really going to be dangerous.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Ice mining is ridiculously profitable for a highsec profession.
Ice harvesting is the lowest income activity in hisec apart from station spinning or logging off.
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Ste'ven Sch'orik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:06:00 -
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@roosterton I was reffering to the way they block off the lowsec systems that contain the level 5 agents so that only they can use them and nobody else. ________________________________________________
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 03:14:08 Edited by: Roosterton on 19/06/2011 03:13:02
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Roosterton Ice mining is ridiculously profitable for a highsec profession.
Ice harvesting is the lowest income activity in hisec apart from station spinning or logging off.
What are you using, a Procurer? I've never touched an ice 'roid in my life, but a quick EFT/eve-central check shows that you should easily be able to make 50mil-60mil/hr with a Mackinaw, or I'm doing something horribly wrong.
Nevermind, I am an idiot who fails horrendously at maths. Though I'm pretty sure gas cloud mining is even worse...
Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik @roosterton I was reffering to the way they block off the lowsec systems that contain the level 5 agents so that only they can use them and nobody else.
I have never in my life encountered a mission running carebear corp gatecamping for me. Please, where can I find these gatecamps? -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:41:00 -
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ITT: Macro ice miner tears flow.
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Joan Avon
Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:46:00 -
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Sounds good to me. Hopefully it would inject some much needed chaos and uncertainty into eve as well. Help mix things up a bit!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Makes you wonder why so many people do it. Though I'm pretty sure gas cloud mining is even worse...
I harvest ice while trolling the forums and doing housework. It's a nice low-attention, low risk task, which while earning only about 5M ISK/hr per pilot at least does allow for some income while I can't be at the keyboard paying full attention to the game.
Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik I have never in my life encountered a mission running carebear corp gatecamping for me. Please, where can I find these gatecamps?
Mission running pirate/FW corp, not carebears. They run missions in lowsec with carriers too.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 04:54:00 -
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As for the actual topic - ice harvesting operations are a favourite target for a certain class of pilot for the very reason that the ships have to be immobile for great lengths of time. It takes around 3 to 4 minutes per cycle of an ice harvester, and cancelling the cycle results in no product.
The ships themselves are as nimble as bricks - it takes an Orca around 30 seconds to get into warp unless aided by a MWD. A Hulk fitted for maximum EHP can boast about 30k, while sacrificing about 20% of its productivity.
If they're going to move ice out of hisec, they'll need to address the problem of not being able to harvest it. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:14:00 -
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Anyone want to rent a slot for Rorqual researchà? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik Moving ice is a terrible idea. There is nothing wrong with the way it is right now. If it aint broken, don't fix it! People that want it in 0.0/lowsec only are the people that stand to benefit the most and take part of the gameplay away from everyone else just like those corps that hog all the level 5 missions so that only they have access to them. Just a downright terrible idea.
It is broken. Ice mining is ridiculously profitable for a highsec profession. Not to mention, lowsec is also broken. Moving them to strictly lowsec would help to fix both issues.
And hogging level 5 missions? WTF? You know that agents give an infinite amount of missions, right?
I think he's referring to the fact that level 5 missions exist only in Lowsec, and Pirates are running them on Mission alt's while ganking everyone that comes in the system. i.e: hogging: Keeping to oneself; preventing others from enjoying; making an effort to retain something for personal use, and keeping it away from others.
The same thing that would happen to Ice, if it was ever moved to Lowsec; which is the only reason this is a bad idea. Not terrible; just bad.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:51:00 -
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Kill the pirates. **** their ice, mine their level 5s, and farm their women... or something.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky ITT: Macro ice miner tears flow.
That is what would make it a good idea. See, I'm a reasonable man. ..oh yeah, I fear the Pirates are the heaviest botters out there.
But seriously, Ice could still appear in a new type of Gravimetric site in Highsec. Nullsec could retain it's Icefields to some extent, as well as the more valuable Ice, which should not be available in Lowsec. Seriously, Pirates a greedy bastards who want everything for themselves. Criminal Organization much?
In general, I think I have to disagree with this idea on the afforementioned point, and this one as well. You might have a hard time proving it, but I almost guarantee that most Pirates maintain Macro-mining alts. Aside from looting your wrecks, and making ISK that way, they have to have other means of income. Level 5 Missions run on bots, and mining macros in 0.5's and secured Lowsec are just two of them. Now they want one more.
You can't report a bot, if you never get to see it.
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Exilon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Precisionist
This would spice up eve A LOT, because pirates would have some fights ahead of them, because the null sec people would be forced to fight.
LOL. I think you underestimate the capabilities of the larger nullsec alliances. What would happen is that large contingents of nullsec ice-miners would end up being deployed in low-sec and nobody else would be able to mine ice at all.
If CCP did this then in a few months time you guys would be here moaning that there is nowhere to mine ice because the big bad nullsec alliances have huge blobs parked at every ice belt.
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Exilon
Originally by: Precisionist
This would spice up eve A LOT, because pirates would have some fights ahead of them, because the null sec people would be forced to fight.
LOL. I think you underestimate the capabilities of the larger nullsec alliances. What would happen is that large contingents of nullsec ice-miners would end up being deployed in low-sec and nobody else would be able to mine ice at all.
If CCP did this then in a few months time you guys would be here moaning that there is nowhere to mine ice because the big bad nullsec alliances have huge blobs parked at every ice belt.
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Give us low sec bombs than! Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Exilon
Originally by: Precisionist
This would spice up eve A LOT, because pirates would have some fights ahead of them, because the null sec people would be forced to fight.
LOL. I think you underestimate the capabilities of the larger nullsec alliances. What would happen is that large contingents of nullsec ice-miners would end up being deployed in low-sec and nobody else would be able to mine ice at all.
If CCP did this then in a few months time you guys would be here moaning that there is nowhere to mine ice because the big bad nullsec alliances have huge blobs parked at every ice belt.
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But those null sec alliances would still have to extend themselves to do so. Most of them wouldn't survive the attempt and the ones that would be able to handle that level of risky deployment would not likely be at every ice belt in low sec. Low sec systems are not few nor far between. Even just one ice belt per constellation would leave a lot of ice being unmined.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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