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Dr Djago
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Djago on 19/06/2011 22:07:23 Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
I understand this is EVE and all....
I know this is not likely going to happen, but nevertheless what they did is absolutely shameful, if this were any real sport teams on earth, they would be heavily fined and thrown in jail. I especially feel sorry for the ccp employee and everyone else who have dedicated so much of their time and hard work, staying up late at night for this project.
What happen in the end, is just a slap on their faces and all of our faces who have wasted 3 weeks of our time.
ps. notice after the match is over, ccp soundwaves and everyone else there didn't even mention it at once.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
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Agreed.
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UMBONGO Hirl
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
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Signed they should be disqualiffied and banned from ever taking part in a tournament again !
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Thaylon Sen
Dynamic International Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: UMBONGO Hirl Signed they should be disqualiffied and banned from ever taking part in a tournament again !
Agreed
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SuperNova221
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
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Cry some more.
They put in enough effort to get both of them both into the final to deserve the awards.
P.S. I like your face. |
Athellant Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
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You must be new to EVE.
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RinnosukeETQW
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
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Welcome to eve, this happens all the time, don't like it GTFO.
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JadeCurtiss
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
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Agreed Agreed Give the prize to DarkSide they deserve it even more
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Tasmine Ralo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:55:00 -
[9]
Back to your missions bears, nothing to see here. |
Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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yes this was an absolutely terrible final
literally the worst one in years - there was no excitement or brawling in the final match which is absolutely ******ed
ccp are a horrible company for letting something like this go on, metagaming should stay in sov warfare not an honest competition
garmon ur a terrible person it seems and i feel so sorry for your mom who is made to support you
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Dios Soldado
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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If this is allowed, then who's to say Hydra won't have 10 alliances in next year. This is ridiculous and should be anything but rewarded.
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ThaWolf
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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Or you rather go and play Hello Kitty online instead.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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/signed
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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who cares if the ending was rigged, none of yall lost out on prizes.... outbreak proved they would've won the match, they didn't just throw it. Hydra got the 1st place prize but Outbreak won the tournie... .morons ♥
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Agree
Originally by: UMBONGO Hirl Signed they should be disqualified and banned from ever taking part in a tournament again !
Agree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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Both teams earned their place in the final. Sure I'm dissapointed of the fight, but then again no other team managed to beat them in the playoffs, so no other team should get the prices.
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Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:56:00 -
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I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo. -
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petchias
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
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agreed
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flapie 2
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
+3 for making a great point.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Perhaps if you're not happy about it you should field your own alliance team for the tournament next year?
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Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
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One team.
Two alliances.
Two A-teams.
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Miranda Zogranzizenzic
Hikikomori Broadcast
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:57:00 -
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I enjoyed it, it summed up what eve is all about in 10 minutes.
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Warmaster Abaddonn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Agree
Originally by: UMBONGO Hirl Signed they should be disqualified and banned from ever taking part in a tournament again !
Agree
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
[24]
Agreed. Shame on you CCP if give any award for both teams after this crap final.
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Moto Tsume
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:58:00 -
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******ed competition, cant wait for Alliance metafest 1.......
see who splits up their alliance so that they can have the most teams in and all share the prizes.
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Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray
Perhaps if you're not happy about it you should field your own alliance team for the tournament next year?
This!
This is what Eve is, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Xterea
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Xterea on 19/06/2011 22:00:37 As far as I am concerned, the Alliance Tournament is a pivotal aspect of what makes Eve what it is, and which appropriately portrays both good and sometimes annoying aspects of the game that I think we all mutually love to login to on a daily basis.
Enjoy the experience, not the scoreboard.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Perhaps if you're not happy about it you should field your own alliance team for the tournament next year?
Sorry, it didn't get in because all the alt alliances took the spots.
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J'mee Leggs
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1 Both teams earned their place in the final. Sure I'm dissapointed of the fight, but then again no other team managed to beat them in the playoffs, so no other team should get the prices.
This. But they could have at least put on a good show for us. In any case, well done Outbreak Reloaded.
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Mala Chica
Ditchdigger's Daughters
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
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1st time watching...also the last.
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Zeta Kalin
Large Rodent Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: JadeCurtiss Agreed Agreed Give the prize to DarkSide they deserve it even more
You must have missed the part where they lost their semi. This was the time, CCP was still CCP, it was good. |
Marikko
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
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Dont give em ****. they suck
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
[33]
Threads like this must be worth nearly as much as the 2T ISK they will get out of this.
Welcome to Eve.
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JLaX1
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
[34]
gotta agree 100% on topic effing sad
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dinta Zembo
Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Perhaps if you're not happy about it you should field your own alliance team for the tournament next year?
Sorry, it didn't get in because all the alt alliances took the spots.
You didn't meta game hard enough, you should have bought one of the alliances that did get through
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Pans Exual
Minmatar Euro Corps
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:01:00 -
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Can I have their reward?
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: Makko Gray
Perhaps if you're not happy about it you should field your own alliance team for the tournament next year?
This!
This is what Eve is, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
because you are a ******
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tika te
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
[38]
/signed
this was awful it's a shame.
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Zenst
Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
Instead CCP should make them wait 6 months for there prize's, they would never expect that
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Aranial
Gallente Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
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omg so much whining.
This personifies EVE if you don't like it
you know what I'm going to say
GB2WOW.
Well played Hydra and Outbreak, a well earned win
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Nambr1
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:02:00 -
[41]
agree
if ccp support this crap that happened in final this game is fail
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Crispinius
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
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I like the Style how they Played.
They use the given Ruleset - so it was a fair fight.
Congratulations and enjoy your Victory
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Which is a little bit sad, that this is the essence of EvE, cheating..... They would have honored EvE more if they had given all the viewers the best fight of their lives, really thrown themselves into the it.
This was just "yay, if you can make it we can brake it" attitude, and it's sad.
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Fintroll
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
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these dudes is downright unsavory!
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
[45]
This is what we pay for, a dark evil world where playing fair is an afterthought
Well played Hydra and Outbreak.
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Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
because you are a ******
Confirmed.
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Annabelle Shape
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:04:00 -
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i dont mind them throwing the match, but for outbreak to come out on top and THEN throw the match, thats annoying. if they had hit sd from the off and given hydra the win then fair enough. but if i had placed isk on outbreak winning, then watched them take hydra to pieces before throwing the match, id be fairly miffed. fortunatly i dont gamble with isk. |
Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
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Could you people cry more. Its not Hydra or Outbreaks fault they are smarter than the rest of us.
Me being from TEST just make even more stupid.
Now lets talk about how to rage more.
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GilGalaad
Divine Crusaders
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[49]
Shame... this is a tournament, not pure EVE essence. It's a shame this final.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:05:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Mag''s on 19/06/2011 22:06:26
Let's forget what the teams did for a moment and talk about the commentators. While everyone and their dog knew what was happening, they continued talking in complete ignorance for quite some time. Numbnuts.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 19/06/2011 22:06:38
Originally by: Miranda Zogranzizenzic I enjoyed it, it summed up what eve is all about in 10 minutes.
A bunch of guys who can never win the big one by merit sink to desperate levels to get it through cheating and bribery?
Well that's pretty apt, welcome to EVE: You don't have to be the best to be the "best".
Originally by: Mag's Let's forget what the teams did for a moment and talk about the commentators. While everyone and their dog knew what was happening, they continued talking in completely ignorance for quite some time. Numbnuts.
Kil2 was probably trying to contain his joyous squeees of his alliance finally not screwing up at the final hurdle. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
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what a finish i really hope ccp will do something to change this kind of stuff , as this will be last time im gonna use weekends to watch somethin g end this meaningless.
BTW rumour has it, outbreak is changing name to BENDOVER.
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Meltan
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
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Petitioned just to see if I can elicit a response :)
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Dear Sirs and Madams I am an avid EVE player, and me along with my PvP hungry corp and alliance mates, as did 20,000 other players, watched your AT 9 event with great enthusiasm till we got to the final.
As we watched the final unfold and the tragic farce played out, I could only think to myself about how impotent CCP is when you stand by and allow something like this to happen.
You are impotent not because you don't have a big act, its because you can't get the big act up. Up to the standards of this event that thousands of us have come to expect.
AT 9 will go down in our collective memories as the worst tournament ever, against the spirit of everything its stands for, against the very foundation of competition that it sought to create.
If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:06:00 -
[54]
AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
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Tryce Jaor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
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they arent tears, it is just disappointment. To be called online to watch that..
Anybody remember SF beating bob a few years back, now that was a match and a half, or even evoke vs triumverate(spelling) in the final with the 10 ruptures... awesome stuff
Now we get that.... mess and no doubt ill be called bitter and teary eyed by the trolls and other such people.
I am not new to AT, or EVE either but that was just a little dull.
T
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Fireglade honor
youmustbenewhere.jpg
Back to your L4 grinding, scrubs, show's over.
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Vorn
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:08:00 -
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I think you guys need to relearn the definition what a sandbox game is.
You guys might not like it, but they followed all the rules that were setup. You can't disqualify them just for not playing the game the way you want it to be played.
I was told my signature was too inappropriate, isn't this game rated T or something?
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Morg Redswill
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 19/06/2011 22:06:26
Let's forget what the teams did for a moment and talk about the commentators. While everyone and their dog knew what was happening, they continued talking in complete ignorance for quite some time. Numbnuts.
Redock and online your sarcasm scanner.
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:08:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Meltan Petitioned just to see if I can elicit a response :) -------- If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament.
Agreed with this.
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Serenity Nau
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
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Was less exciting than last year's final, but then last year's final was bad too.
I don't like what happened, but it's part of Eve and I'm ok with that aspect of it. My only real beef with it is that from a purely gamer aspect all that Hydra and Outbreak did is make it seem like women gamers can only compete if the men let them win, which is pretty sad in my opinion.
They both should have just fielded comedy teams and had fun with it rather than basically say "women gamers suck and can only win if the male gamers allow them to..."
But whatever, I've come to expect the majority of Eve's playerbase to act like a bunch of twelve year olds.
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Parphyr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[62]
/signed
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Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:09:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Triple Entendre on 19/06/2011 22:09:41
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
Yep. You're right. Hydra, well known for their sneaky bastardry, shock everyone by using sneaky bastardry to win. Also, water is wet, grass is green and bears have been confirmed to **** in woods.
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Weed Wonderboy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:10:00 -
[64]
I dont see why people are complaining. The finale was Eve in a nutshell. Why not give Hydra Reloaded credit for putting up two good teams in the tournament and beating every other alliance out there at the game that is the Alliance tournament. Sure it wasnt the best show for Tv, but they werent there to put on a show, but to win. And they did, and they took 2nd place aswell.
Well Done Hydra/Outbreak!
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Which is a little bit sad, that this is the essence of EvE, cheating..... They would have honored EvE more if they had given all the viewers the best fight of their lives, really thrown themselves into the it.
This was just "yay, if you can make it we can brake it" attitude, and it's sad.
They didn't cheat - they both earnt their way to the final. So the final was staged somewhat, most of the rest of the tourney was raw battle, with very few shady backroom deals overall (and even some of those failed).
You want honour in an EVE final then enter the tournament, make your way to the final, and represent it yourself. After all, bad things happen when good men fail to act.
Personally I just want to turn a profit and am happy to sell weapons to both sides so to speak but you seem to be the one with some wacked out morality.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[66]
lol @ petitions and whining
please point to the tournament and/or EULA rules broken by this match?
Take your time, I'll wait..... ♥
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Originally by: Meltan Petitioned just to see if I can elicit a response :) -------- If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament.
Agreed with this.
u mad?
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leboe
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:11:00 -
[68]
You'd think that hydra hasnt been trolling the eve community since their creation
madprops to them
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Professor Brian Cox
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
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Goobai Vapor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:12:00 -
[70]
I think the saddest part of this is that because of the level of Meta, the viewers did not get to see a lot of the other contender Alliances so much as take part. When Meta-gaming begins to interfere to that degree of ruining others' enjoyment of the game, there's a problem.
Fix your shi*, CCP.
P.S. - Great job, Hydra/Outbreak on winning a nearly completely rigged tournament. You guys are PR0.
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Anaplian Laine
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:13:00 -
[71]
It was played out just the way EVE is meant to be, backstabbing, alliances, going beyond the rules. All you whiners out there, come to null sec and see for yourself. Nice job Hydra and Outbreak!
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:13:00 -
[72]
Originally by: leboe You'd think that hydra hasnt been trolling the eve community since their creation
madprops to them
This.
Well played Hydra and Outbreak, enjoy the prizes.
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Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:14:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
Because it's fun seeing people like you cry about it.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:14:00 -
[74]
field for ATX:
hydra a hydra b hydra c hydra d hydra e pl 1 pl 2 pl 3 pl 4 pl 5
anyone wanna bet the winner??
pcu next tourney for finals, = 22000. and dropping fast i think.
BORING. ***** STYLE.
( and yeah they followed the rules , so change them)
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:14:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Xterea Edited by: Xterea on 19/06/2011 22:00:37 As far as I am concerned, the Alliance Tournament is a pivotal aspect of what makes Eve what it is, and which appropriately portrays both good and sometimes annoying aspects of the game that I think we all mutually love to login to on a daily basis.
Enjoy the experience, not the scoreboard.
What experience? All I am now is bored and dissatisfied and I won't bother watching next year. So I don't understand - do CCP not want viewers? What is there to enjoy? Some jerks who think being a jerk online is different fixed a match and bored everyone to tears in the live chat. Wow - so cool. I've never seen immature crap like this before :-D I'll REALLY make sure to experience more ASAP! LOL. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Raynohr
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[76]
this is well whitin the spirit of eve. besides metagaming is a daily thing in tq, why would it be so strange to see it in a turny?
my compliments to the winnerS and i hope you split the prices as you both deserv them.
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Morg Redswill
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Caellach Marellus
A bunch of guys who can never win the big one by merit sink to desperate levels to get it through cheating and bribery?
Well that's pretty apt, welcome to EVE: You don't have to be the best to be the "best".
You seem to forget both teams fought through a bunch of other non-allied teams to get to the finals, unless you think they bought them all off?
While I agree the final battle was a dissapointment to watch, even had they fought it out for our amusement, there is nothing stopping them splitting the prizes however they want afterward.
We can then only conclude they wanted to see all of these butthurt reaction threads drowning the forums. Stop feeding them.
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Karles
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
[79]
Should they take away PL's past prizes for the metagaming and fielding 2 teams too? Only difference here is the 2 teams met in the finals instead of being knocked out earlier.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
[80]
/o\
Politics!? In MY EVE!?!?!?
Theres a lot of people in this thread who need to leave highsec once in a while and learn what the game is actually about.
It's an ALLIANCE tournament.
What else would you like .. all teams need to field equal ISK? All teams need to have the exact same total SP for all pilots?
You're all ****ing ******ed if you think the game starts and ends with who shoot who and in what order.
Yes, I will also accept contracts of your stuff.
n.b. - loved the tournament, including the final
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
[81]
So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances. ------
My latest pvp video - Freestyle |
Call me Fever
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
[82]
signed
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Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
Oh look this guy's respect is what we needed :V
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Which is a little bit sad, that this is the essence of EvE, cheating..... They would have honored EvE more if they had given all the viewers the best fight of their lives, really thrown themselves into the it.
This was just "yay, if you can make it we can brake it" attitude, and it's sad.
They didn't cheat - they both earnt their way to the final. So the final was staged somewhat, most of the rest of the tourney was raw battle, with very few shady backroom deals overall (and even some of those failed).
You want honour in an EVE final then enter the tournament, make your way to the final, and represent it yourself. After all, bad things happen when good men fail to act.
Personally I just want to turn a profit and am happy to sell weapons to both sides so to speak but you seem to be the one with some wacked out morality.
Rigging a match like this is cheating, cause the winner was not the winner.
Internet gaming really brings out the worst in people as there is no real consequence to their real life.
They still wake up in the morning perfectly safe, go on their lives, jobs, schools etc. etc. But when online they can effortlessly and riscfree become asses, and be commended for it.
Lets just hope that this works as an "ass outlet" so they in their real life become pure angels :)
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[85]
YEAH GIVE IT TO US INSTEAD ________ Licensed to post .gif on CAOD
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami .. so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win.
Yes we saw that in the final.
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Dr Djago
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
Everyone know this and no one cares about it, what we wanted to see is a true match of skills in internet spaceship combat. So why not just let it fight and show us your true skill and split the prize in the end however you feel like.
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Karles
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:20:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
The play it like 2 alliances with good pvprs, not like a schoolyard. You mocked every single player watching it. If your objective was that, you earned it.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Morg Redswill Redock and online your sarcasm scanner.
L2R.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Greniard on 19/06/2011 22:23:55 so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
To me this was just epic and the people who really put effort into the tournament won.
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Raver Baby
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte field for ATX:
hydra a hydra b hydra c hydra d hydra e pl 1 pl 2 pl 3 pl 4 pl 5
anyone wanna bet the winner??
pcu next tourney for finals, = 22000. and dropping fast i think.
BORING. ***** STYLE.
( and yeah they followed the rules , so change them)
I'm pretty sure you guys started the fixed finals with your attempt at teaming up with Wild Boars to help get your own Alliance into the final day with your failed setups and your conga chain of ships. Or did you forget you guys done this last night?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
You getting all mad thatÆs whatÆs fun
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[93]
Well ban any team that spys or gets given any intell as well
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Dr Djago
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
Everyone know this and no one cares about it, what we wanted to see is a true match of skills in internet spaceship combat. So why not just let it fight and show us your true skill and split the prize in the end however you feel like.
Because it would **STILL** be rigged if both teams WANTED it to end a certain way. Are you so dense you can't see that?
What you're basically asking for is ignorance of what actually happens behind the scenes, so you can chew your chowder and watch pretty explosions on the internet.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
You're bored me and I won't bother next year... I guess that's what you must want *shrug* -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
DonÆt say that IÆm a sad panda now. Cant we all be friends?
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
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Dealth Striker
Caldari Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[99]
Congrats to Hydra and Outbreak making it to the final. A big applause to all those teams and commentators that participated and those of CCP who worked on making this a great tournament to watch.
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Communication is Key! |
Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Which is a little bit sad, that this is the essence of EvE, cheating..... They would have honored EvE more if they had given all the viewers the best fight of their lives, really thrown themselves into the it.
This was just "yay, if you can make it we can brake it" attitude, and it's sad.
They didn't cheat - they both earnt their way to the final. So the final was staged somewhat, most of the rest of the tourney was raw battle, with very few shady backroom deals overall (and even some of those failed).
You want honour in an EVE final then enter the tournament, make your way to the final, and represent it yourself. After all, bad things happen when good men fail to act.
Personally I just want to turn a profit and am happy to sell weapons to both sides so to speak but you seem to be the one with some wacked out morality.
Rigging a match like this is cheating, cause the winner was not the winner.
Internet gaming really brings out the worst in people as there is no real consequence to their real life.
They still wake up in the morning perfectly safe, go on their lives, jobs, schools etc. etc. But when online they can effortlessly and riscfree become asses, and be commended for it.
Lets just hope that this works as an "ass outlet" so they in their real life become pure angels :)
Then I have a problemà In RL IÆm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
[101]
I didn't think I could have any less respect for Hydra, I was wrong.
It's odd that they've pored all that effort into the tournament only to make their victory essentially meaningless. We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
No glory for Hydra, even when they win - joke's on them I guess.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
I can't in that situation, but it would be quite obvious in the example of the final.
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Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte what a finish i really hope ccp will do something to change this kind of stuff , as this will be last time im gonna use weekends to watch somethin g end this meaningless.
BTW rumour has it, outbreak is changing name to BENDOVER.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Morg Redswill
Originally by: Caellach Marellus
A bunch of guys who can never win the big one by merit sink to desperate levels to get it through cheating and bribery?
Well that's pretty apt, welcome to EVE: You don't have to be the best to be the "best".
You seem to forget both teams fought through a bunch of other non-allied teams to get to the finals, unless you think they bought them all off?
While I agree the final battle was a dissapointment to watch, even had they fought it out for our amusement, there is nothing stopping them splitting the prizes however they want afterward.
I'd have preferred that, I just find it ironic after all the whining from Hydra and fanboys about "omg PL spied on our setup QQQQQQQQQ" they actually win a tournament through even worse metagame.
Who cares what they do with the prizes, it's the final, should give us a good fight and not watching half a fleet suck up to some chick in a Vindicator for cybering rights Still Hydra finally get their name in the history books, would have been nice for them to do it without the theatrics. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[105]
Although it was anti-climatic, very anti-climatic, as a matter of fact it was so much so that I started fixing myself dinner while 1/2 listening to the commentary. They both do still deserve their reward.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus I didn't think I could have any less respect for Hydra, I was wrong.
It's odd that they've pored all that effort into the tournament only to make their victory essentially meaningless. We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
No glory for Hydra, even when they win - joke's on them I guess.
I'm sorry. Where did you place again? ~~~
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 19/06/2011 22:34:51
Originally by: Raver Baby
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte field for ATX:
hydra a hydra b hydra c hydra d hydra e pl 1 pl 2 pl 3 pl 4 pl 5
anyone wanna bet the winner??
pcu next tourney for finals, = 22000. and dropping fast i think.
BORING. ***** STYLE.
( and yeah they followed the rules , so change them)
I'm pretty sure you guys started the fixed finals with your attempt at teaming up with Wild Boars to help get your own Alliance into the final day with your failed setups and your conga chain of ships. Or did you forget you guys done this last night?
would never had happnd in a final, tourney is all about honour and entertainment if you participate.
this match had neither of the 2. and without a fix then ccp has just given free pass to the richest alliances to swarm AT with teams , multiple accounts FTW - multiple alliances F.AT. no more reason to watch and i dont think thats the intention of the tourney tbh?
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
Sure, whatever buddy
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Sunaj Sin'Sakki
Amarr North Khanid Traders
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[109]
To the AT IX Tournament winners - Hydra and Outbreak They out smarted all of the other little alliances, and performed a much more interesting and scripted finish, the likes of which hasn't been seen since Tyrrax Thorrk lost his Impoc.
Looking for work? : |
Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Fireglade on 19/06/2011 22:36:27
Quote: Then I have a problemà In RL IÆm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
Hehe, good for you, then you have deffo found the right place to perfect your abillities, and i assure you, you will be very prosperous in life. Then I have a problemà In RL IÆm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
I can't in that situation, but it would be quite obvious in the example of the final.
That's the problem. If you 'ban cheating' then the only ones who win are the ones who are REALLY good at hiding it.
How do you not see that?
As they stated in another post, they meant to make it 'look like a brawl to the end' but it didn't go to plan.
So if everyone had blown up and it looked genuine, but was rigged behind the scenes, would you be any happier than knowing both a) The outcome b) The why
?
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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[112]
guys guys guys guys, its HYDRA Reloaded, the alliance created to troll people, the alliance that owns no space, nor has the energy or give a **** to do so, why are you all so mad?
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JVR JVR
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:38:00 -
[113]
Welcome to EVE , this isnt a sandbox game., you want "Fair Play" W*W is ~~~~~> that way, take your e-honour with you
If you havent worked out this is what makes EVE different yet, your playing the wrong game
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:40:00 -
[114]
who cares? hydra wins "1st prize" but outbreak showed their stuff the tourny was great, the last match could have been better but i look forward to next year, if somehow 2 friends are in the final i would like to see a 10v10 frigate fight though or something
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Runnak Orozar
Caldari The Marauder Coalition Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[115]
Hilarious to see all these people raging over something they chose to watch themselves. If you go to a bad movie, do you start a forum tread to hang the director?
The most funny part is that 99% of these ragers will log in within 24 hours.
Respect to Hydra and Outbreak by taking first and second places. Born to wander |
Professor Brian Cox
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
Im not crying about it? Im just saying it was a poor final. I mean i wouldnt watching the world cup final if i knew it was rigged. Would you?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
Im not crying about it? Im just saying it was a poor final. I mean i wouldnt watching the world cup final if i knew it was rigged. Would you?
No but mostly because I hate football.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[118]
Quote: That's the problem. If you 'ban cheating' then the only ones who win are the ones who are REALLY good at hiding it.
How do you not see that?
As they stated in another post, they meant to make it 'look like a brawl to the end' but it didn't go to plan.
So if everyone had blown up and it looked genuine, but was rigged behind the scenes, would you be any happier than knowing both a) The outcome b) The why
Well, nothing is perfect, if they had to really make an effort to hide their cheatings, it would be harder to do it. Not saying that it wouldnt happen, but it would be harder.
I just think im really dissappointed about having spend this much time in watching the qualifiers, and then for it all to collapse. It's like watching Champions League Football, and then see the goalkeepers suddenly throwing balls into their own nets.
This is the elite of the elite of EvE, have some self respect, and if you don't have that then have some respect for the people watching you.
Can't respect any of the teams cause who won, who was the best, how many of their previous fights did they buy off ?
I know it really doesn't matter to anyone, not ccp or players, but im not spending 3 days ever again watching the eve tournament, its a disgrace.
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Hastrin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Dr Djago Edited by: Dr Djago on 19/06/2011 22:07:23 if this were any real sport teams on earth, they would be heavily fined and thrown in jail
which is why i hate sports :) take it way too serious :)
great AT, great show, all good fun
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Karles
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Pastachick
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTà We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
Oh look this guy's respect is what we needed :V
Sorry, but who are you? As far as I know you have no history, nothing.... I have flown lots of times besides Test... You do not seem to have undocked in your life. This is why I replied, and as far as I can see, you are nothing but a forum warrior. Now you can leave the basement and go to bed, son.
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:57:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 19/06/2011 22:57:33 Hello Kitty is that way >>>>>>
This is EVE Online. Things never happen as you may assume. That is why there is "EVE" and then there is everything else.
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Emiko P'eng
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:58:00 -
[122]
Humm! as a new player watching my first tournament.
I gained a good insight into how EVE really works.
Spying & giving intelligence to rivals to make sure you get to fight teams you know most about.
Throwing matches to make sure you get to fight each other in the final.
Throw the final to just rub it in that you don't care about anyone else enjoying the event and really rubbing it into those teams that were beaten on route.
Well as to what I think of the above... Well I am not cancelling my subscription, but I don't think I will bother watching another tournament.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
[123]
Well now i just get all mushy inside.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1531508
This really takes character.
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Laura Izia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:02:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Wrong, EVE at its purest is fighting so you gtfo.
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:04:00 -
[125]
quote]
Sorry, but who are you? As far as I know you have no history, nothing.... I have flown lots of times besides Test... You do not seem to have undocked in your life. This is why I replied, and as far as I can see, you are nothing but a forum warrior. Now you can leave the basement and go to bed, son.
U mad bro?
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Bologna Brains
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:05:00 -
[126]
agree with OP
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:05:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Laura Izia
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Wrong, EVE at its purest is fighting so you gtfo.
EVE at its purest is whatever the hell the players want to do. That's kinda the point of EVE. And if two alliances have the skill, the ability, and the willingness to work together in reaching the final, then damn the whiners, damn honor, and do it. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:10:00 -
[128]
This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame |
Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:12:00 -
[129]
I'm going to paraphrase a blog post I just wrote about this. Heck, I might even just quote it for the lulz.
Quote: I loved this tournament as with all of the previous tournaments. The bittersweet tears from those who emotionally invested in inferior teams is also rather delicious and while I am writing this I am licking those tears off my screen and orgasming pure rainbows.
Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
In fact, let's see what happened here. The team captain of Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded was one and the same. Yes, one captain and two teams with total agreement of both teams. They defeated all of the other teams which is no mean feat and something of a massive triumph. Especially considering how easily that operation could itself have been meta-gamed.
A chap called Garmon who's mother keeps watch on his router in the basement beat all comers and yet the vast intellect of all of the other players in Eve cannot beat this. If you truly devalue Garmon then you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you don't want to be ashamed then you should do better yourselves next year and shut up until then.
He achieved what others didn't by using well established Eve Online values and knew the actual game to achieve an end result that was favourable to him and the teams he represented. Whining about it is just embarrassing yourself.
While the result was what I thought it would be in our last podcast episode, the reasons are a little different. I was fully expecting sone sort of Pandemic Legion bartering for the final winning position after HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion beat all others into the final.
While I was wrong on that count, you have to recognise the hard work involved in not only getting one team to the final, but navigating all of the other matches, managing the metagaming and getting two there.
Thank you to all who took part, team captains and grunts and thank you to all of the CCP people involved. Another winner and another Alliance Tourney done.
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:32:00 -
[130]
After reading the 5 pages of comments I have come to this conclusion.
There are a lot of tears in Eve right now.
And all those tears are being used as lube.
I love my eve community
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Garwill
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:33:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Cham Palaung This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame
THIS... Oh don't forget wasting an hour of 30,000 viewers time also. CCP didn't seem too happy about it either.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:34:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Tasmine Ralo Back to your missions bears, nothing to see here.
Post with your main, you ****ing coward. (And yes, this is mine.)
We've just seen a manifestation of everything that's wrong with this game...Surprised it took this long, frankly.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:39:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals! ____________________________________________
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:46:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals!
One team that has two components. I think what everyone is crying about is that those 2 teams should of gone full boar. Then that way one half could of had bragging rights on the other half. But whatever once I figured out WTH was going on I was very amused . Congrats on the victory.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:48:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Meltan Petitioned just to see if I can elicit a response :)
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Dear Sirs and Madams I am an avid EVE player, and me along with my PvP hungry corp and alliance mates, as did 20,000 other players, watched your AT 9 event with great enthusiasm till we got to the final.
As we watched the final unfold and the tragic farce played out, I could only think to myself about how impotent CCP is when you stand by and allow something like this to happen.
You are impotent not because you don't have a big act, its because you can't get the big act up. Up to the standards of this event that thousands of us have come to expect.
AT 9 will go down in our collective memories as the worst tournament ever, against the spirit of everything its stands for, against the very foundation of competition that it sought to create.
If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament.
This.
So maybe I'm still too n00b, having never really followed, nor yet given two f***s for that matter, about previous AT's, but....Aren't AT's supposed to be about pure PvP combat?
Christ, you've got the other 49 weeks of the year for all your meta-gaming wannabe-1337 carebear crap, can't you give it a rest for just these 3 weeks? Or does being that pathetic, become a habit that quickly?
These two scrub-crew should be given a choice:
Either forfeit all prizes awarded and submit to being barred from all future AT's, or take their prizes, in exchange for a ban from EVE and **** off into the sunset.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:53:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Serenity Nau But whatever, I've come to expect the majority of Eve's playerbase to act like a bunch of twelve year olds.
Expect, yes. Accept, never.
Aren't we supposed to be better than this? We were, once.
Yes, this is my main.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:03:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Kavu guys guys guys guys, its HYDRA Reloaded, the alliance created to troll people, the alliance that owns no space, nor has the energy or give a **** to do so, why are you all so mad?
Have you left Olettiers 2-1 Station yet?
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:11:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Emiko P'eng Humm! as a new player watching my first tournament.
I gained a good insight into how EVE really works.
Spying & giving intelligence to rivals to make sure you get to fight teams you know most about.
Throwing matches to make sure you get to fight each other in the final.
Throw the final to just rub it in that you don't care about anyone else enjoying the event and really rubbing it into those teams that were beaten on route.
Well as to what I think of the above... Well I am not cancelling my subscription, but I don't think I will bother watching another tournament.
Yeah, and this, too: Says it all, really.
Maybe all you pathetic little "GB2WoW/UMADBRO/(Whatever)" fanbois don't have the basic scraps of self-respect needed to understand this, but I don't like having my intelligence insulted by a bunch of narcissistic meta-gaming teenagers.
I want my 3 days, and my bandwidth back, by the way.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:16:00 -
[139]
Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:27:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:36:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:43:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
That chain of events didn't make any sence to me ??
If you remove isk from the price, it would be extremely bad business to try and buy a match for 20 billion or even 1 billion. Im not saying it would remove fixing matches alltogether, but it would remove the economical incentive to buy other teams off.
And perhaps it would also put a lid on the expence of the setups, which would in turn make less rich alliances suddenly get a chance to participate.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
[143]
If you didnt see that one coming you have only yourself to blame.
I stopped watching after the last semi final, was a somewhat good tournament up to that point imo.
Too bad for the staff that put in so much work, but meh.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Sig Sour on 20/06/2011 00:48:06 Neither Hydra or Outbreak did anything wrong (except put on a terrible show at the end). I do however think the Serbians should be black listed from the AT and a real bold rule should go into place about cheating the layout.
I was expecting the Vindicators to do a lot better - so at this point I'm only upset at not knowing if they blew up out of *we are NC of AT - BFF DAWG! lets herp derp* or if they were actually trying and failing.
*I would also extend disqualifications to ANY form of throwing a match (bribes). People place bets on this and expect teams to perform.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:47:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Sig Sour Neither Hydra or Outbreak did anything wrong (except put on a terrible show at the end). I do however think the Serbians should be black listed from the AT and a real bold rule should go into place about cheating the layout.
I was expecting the Vindicators to do a lot better - so at this point I'm only upset at not knowing if they blew up out of *we are NC of AT - BFF DAWG! lets herp derp* or if they were actually trying and failing.
Its been confirmed on FHC that they not firing and had no tanks. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13605564 -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:48:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Max Torps Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
Don't pretend the anger is over the "meta-gaming" it took to maneuver two teams to face each other in the finals, even if a few are complaining about it. That "meta-gaming" also took hard and well-fought matches, especially on the part of Outbreak which many feel faced and beat the tougher competitors.
If it were only meta-gaming, almost every last one of us (no hypocrites) would be giving a double thumbs up and celebrating both these teams: well gamed and well fought. It would, indeed, have been the best tournament ever, in terms of all EVE's ideals.
But that's not what happened here.
The anger is over the childish, self-indulgent sham of a final match, in which these players, instead of putting their skills to the acid test of actually fighting the genuinely toughest opponent either could have faced, played carebear kissy-kissy with each others' egos, while giving the bird to the Tournament, EVE, CCP and the rest of us, the viewing audience.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:52:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Greniard on 20/06/2011 00:52:41
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
That chain of events didn't make any sence to me ??
If you remove isk from the price, it would be extremely bad business to try and buy a match for 20 billion or even 1 billion. Im not saying it would remove fixing matches alltogether, but it would remove the economical incentive to buy other teams off.
And perhaps it would also put a lid on the expence of the setups, which would in turn make less rich alliances suddenly get a chance to participate.
So the alliance that's ready to lose most isk will win. Awesome. You got the point.
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Kitty Vintner
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:45:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Lyrrashae
So maybe I'm still too n00b, having never really followed, nor yet given two f***s for that matter, about previous AT's, but....Aren't AT's supposed to be about pure PvP combat?
It's funny because you think that pure pvp is pressing F1.
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Father Fondle
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:51:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Hello Kitty is that way >>>>>>
The final match was all about Hello Kitty. It was about group hugs, love y'all, kiss & hugs. Not about brutal fights and exploding Internet spaceships.
Hydra Eve is Hello Kitty Eve.
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Chelso
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:57:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Dr Djago Edited by: Dr Djago on 19/06/2011 22:07:23 Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
I understand this is EVE and all....
I know this is not likely going to happen, but nevertheless what they did is absolutely shameful, if this were any real sport teams on earth, they would be heavily fined and thrown in jail. I especially feel sorry for the ccp employee and everyone else who have dedicated so much of their time and hard work, staying up late at night for this project.
What happen in the end, is just a slap on their faces and all of our faces who have wasted 3 weeks of our time.
ps. notice after the match is over, ccp soundwaves and everyone else there didn't even mention it at once.
It's not real, it's not even fake on earth, it's fake pixels in fake space. Understand EVE much.
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Racknor
The Salty Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:10:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Cham Palaung This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame
A fair point, on the other hand, God forbid people have some fun with their internet space ships. Were "so many players" locked in a sissy wormhole to train for this? The tournament is about letting one team rise above everyone else, and that's what happened. Nice work too Hydra Reloaded!
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Baby JoJo
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:14:00 -
[152]
First: Both teams deserved the win cause they fought good to get to the finals. So: My honest congrats!
On the other hand you guys crashed the great show - which it was until the final. The spectators watched this in order to be entertained. Therefore it isn't whine, what the others do... It's disappointment for having spent time to see such a bad show.
You failed badly to entertain your audience!
I mean, during the matches there have been people (which were obviously loosing) been told to turn around, go back to the field and f***ing die like a man. If you work together (which to me is not a problem at all) you should have at least delivered each other a real fight and silently share the prices afterwards.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:19:00 -
[153]
Deny them the prizes.
I 100% Agree.
Have the runner-ups fight it out - Darkside VS Razor and give us a real fight.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:24:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Dark Soldat One team.
Two alliances.
Two A-teams.
So feel free to walk away with one set of prizes for your one team.
I'm sure the other runner ups will want those prizes.
Load of non-sense. Your FC cried his guts out on the forum apologetically. Sad and pathetic. I don't see any A-Team there.
I see a couple spoiled brats.
Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 19/06/2011 22:57:33 Hello Kitty is that way >>>>>>
This is EVE Online. Things never happen as you may assume. That is why there is "EVE" and then there is everything else.
Uh, ya, not the first time a game was rigged in the world. EVE has nothing to do with this.
Originally by: Cham Palaung This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame
Let's not forget the trillions in prizes being handed out - to some ego-tistical pricks who can't just fight it out like men in front of 30k people.
Shameful.
Only a childish mind is entertained by this, or by the idea of the "QQ". Again, the Hydra FC cried his guts out - he's the one QQ-ing, and EVE community is trolling him.
You all got it backwards.
And there was no "meta-game" here. What the hell was the meta in the game.
There was a few kids who made an agreement - woooptiee doo.
Whatever - rubbish. CCP better come down on them hard for this.
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Yuzu Tanikawa
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:35:00 -
[155]
I found the final match rather disappointing. Imo, both teams should be disqualified and the 2 teams who lost the semi finals should fight in a new final.
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Daniel Rotius
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:42:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Dark Soldat One team.
Two alliances.
Two A-teams.
20 idiots?
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JT Black
Amarr ALPHA REACTION
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:43:00 -
[157]
Watched only 1 1/2 matches that's how interesting Alliance Tournaments have been for me over the last few years.
If you are complaining that it sucked maybe you shouldn't have watched .
JT
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Syentor
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:56:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals!
Keep telling yourself that. There is only one final. |
Diana Valenti
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:47:00 -
[159]
Agreed, they should dont earn rewards for AT.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:05:00 -
[160]
/signed! DO THE RIGHT THING CCP!!! |
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Belid Hagen
Resilience. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:07:00 -
[161]
Great job Hydra & 0utbreak. Hard work and dedication took you to the finals, skill and intelligent gaming took you to victory.
The champions of EVE gameplay indeed. |
James Thousand
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:10:00 -
[162]
Agree. |
Keiko Suzume
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:11:00 -
[163]
I think to deny either team their prizes would quite simply not be in the spirit of EvE |
Benedict Starkiller
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:29:00 -
[164]
I feel genuinely sorry for CCP who spend a lot of money streaming and presenting this over several days. Despite the ômeta gaming is part of EvEö excuse, the final and a couple of the other fixed matches, were not fun to watch nor were they a credit to the sponsors who put money into the tournament coverage. A sad time, and with an online user count nowhere near what was expected a worrying sign that things are on the slide.
If subsequent tournaments are to be conducted in such a fashion where ômeta gamingö determines outcomes, DO NOT SHOW IT ON TV, keep it behind the scenes and just announce the results. I would rather see the money CCP spent on the coverage and production costs go back into core game development.
There are some easy fixes to stop some of the blatant match throwing:- 1)A self-destruct loses the team points value of the ship lost as well as giving the opponent the same points as a kill. 2)A boundary violation loses the team points equal to the value of the ship destroyed. 3)CCP Adjudicator reviews matches and can ban teams blatantly fixing a match ( stops the final debacle as both would be disqualified and forfeit all prizes ). Teams will then need to think more creatively about how they throw a match so as not to get banned and ejected from the tournament.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:56:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Benedict Starkiller
3) CCP Adjudicator reviews matches and can ban teams blatantly fixing a match ( stops the final debacle as both would be disqualified and forfeit all prizes ). Teams will then need to think more creatively about how they throw a match so as not to get banned and ejected from the tournament.
"This team clearly was too bad to participate in the alliance tournament, let's ban them" Sounds like a freaking great idea!
And just to be sure I'm being clear here: Does that mean that teams get banned if their FC makes bad target calls?
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Benedict Starkiller
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:59:00 -
[166]
Greniard, I refer the word BLATENT. It's not hard to spot a thrown match, the Conga match in the earlier rounds and the final are two clear examples. Its not rocket science.
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Charons Obol
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:01:00 -
[167]
I am not really familiar with the rules of AT so let me ask: Did they violate any rules? If yes why CCP let them to play the final? If not why everyone blame them?
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Benedict Starkiller
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:06:00 -
[168]
No rules were broken Charons Obol, The bad feelings of many are more for how they went about it. They could have easily thrown the final match and made it a fight by chosing one team that would naturally dominate the other. If they are working that closely a simple phone call or e-mail would have been sufficient to fix the team compositions.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:09:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals!
I'm sure we're all grateful.
Perhaps PL can enter 10 teams next year and we can see who wins then. Douchebag!
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Emisary121
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:12:00 -
[170]
lol what a bunch of sad reactions here.... okay the final wasn't that great... they said sorry!
Besides a bit ****ed final the tournament was great! And both winning teams also had some great fights before the final!
They deserve every bit of the prize!
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:19:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Benedict Starkiller Greniard, I refer the word BLATENT. It's not hard to spot a thrown match, the Conga match in the earlier rounds and the final are two clear examples. Its not rocket science.
Oh, so it's ok as long as you don't know it happened. Makes sense. Could make a cool politics/banking reference but meh...
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Bai ZongTong
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:24:00 -
[172]
Quote: Dr Djago Minmatar Brutor Tribe
so basically the AT forum is what CAOD would be like without the alt restrictions. HYDRA RELOADED 2009: APPLY TODAY. JOIN THE WINNING SIDE. |
Charons Obol
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:35:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Benedict Starkiller No rules were broken Charons Obol, The bad feelings of many are more for how they went about it.
In this case maybe the rules should be better in the future. As the final where a little bit boring (at 23:30 local û CET grrrrà), but anyway as they donÆt violate any rules -> they earned the reward.
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Laura Izia
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:51:00 -
[174]
Oh joy, these 2 teams have an automatic spot in ATX!
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:22:00 -
[175]
I've heard reports that Hydra will be bringing 4 teams to ATX
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Astrid Raholan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:54:00 -
[176]
I enjoyed the result as much as anyone else here and I wish CCP all the best luck in trying to find sponsors for their next public bowel movement. I am sure it will be just as well run and respected by the playerbase as this one was.
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:04:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
This.
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