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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:41:00 -
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oh how I wish there was a sportsmanship clause in the AT. It will however remain a neat and fun idea, except when it blows chunks.
AG
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:48:00 -
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The offending alliances provided more EVE content for you guys than this upcoming expansion ever will. You should be clamoring for more prizes and awards for those guys. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Obviously Confidential
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:19:00 -
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This
Please note that changing the fundamentals of a game to appease viewers or make it more broadcast friendly and entertaining is a path that affected some real life sports more than others, with different opinions about this being a good or a bad thing.
Some people prefer the integrity of the sports event, they want to be fed with reality and don't mind seeing unexpected or boring things. They even like sports with very few rules, encouraging all sorts of behaviors. Some people prefer to be entertained and approach sports venues like the movies or any other kind of show. They take comfort in a competition bounded by lots of fixed rules and abhor unexpected behavior, even judging it as unsportsmanlike.
That said, EVE tournaments are not sport. They are an EVE competition.
AT9 was a good portrayal of what an EVE competition is like, measured in terms of the kind of effort that players put up, the meta gaming schemes involved and also of course how intra player dynamics can lead to unexpected things. CCP did an awesome job with the telecast, the commentators were awesome, it was a good show all the way and the player base was entertained.
If some players were surprised by the last 15min and became angry, this was largely compensated by the current controversy and forum posting activity, which people also seem to love.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Razin The offending alliances provided more EVE content for you guys than this upcoming expansion ever will. You should be clamoring for more prizes and awards for those guys.
In exactly the same way that someone beaten to death in a drunken brawl near a local pub provides more "content" in tabloids than a local rock band performance the same evening in the same pub. Does that mean the thugs need a prize, not a time behind bars?
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Managalar
Gallente PREMM Technologies TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Obviously Confidential Some people prefer to be entertained and approach sports venues like the movies or any other kind of show. They take comfort in a competition bounded by lots of fixed rules and abhor unexpected behavior, even judging it as unsportsmanlike. Quote:
This exactly. People are asking to have space Nascar - where all ships are the same and everyone follows the 'rules'. =====================
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Moolti
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:48:00 -
[66]
New Rule please:
Pilots most belong to the corp for 6 month, corp must belong to alliance for 6 months continuously prior to the pre-qualifying matches. @)}---^----- The Jove are a warning to us all. We must remember to live and Love and feel. Fall in Love, make Love, be beautful and see the beautiful. For we mustn't loose our human spark |
Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:53:00 -
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tl;dr
So CCP ended the final match while two ships were still alive? What happened? Did the two pilots throw the match, or CCP screw up, or what? Details, and no, I don't want to read an uber-thread.
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Randomize All
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Moolti New Rule please:
Pilots most belong to the corp for 6 month, corp must belong to alliance for 6 months continuously prior to the pre-qualifying matches.
NO FIFTY YEARS
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Ajer Gaterau
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Posted - 2011.06.20 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodpetal
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.
I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :)
I'm sure your real prize Sponsors won't be so amused - I wouldn't be, and this whole "it's EVE" thing isn't cutting it.
Your viewers think you should be embarrassed about the outcome because they see it as a disgrace to the tournaments integrity.
The fact that you didn't have an after fight discussion about it that is memorable, there wasn't really any amused smiling laughing, enjoyable moment.
There was no, "Let us get the whole EVE TV Crew on deck and in front of the camera" like you have done every other year to celebrate the outcome is telling.
Your stance is pretty clear - and I think you need to take action on it for the integrity of the tournament this year and next. Not seeing what the lack of action is going to have on next year's tournament is clearly going against the wisdom and history of years of prior sports competition in the REAL WORLD - you want to say "EVE IS REAL" then you better deal with real consequences. "EVE" reflects the real world - there is nothing amazing or "meta-game" about the outcome. It was cheap and weak.
Everyone feels like this - anyone who is amused has a childish and short-sighted attitude. It's not that people take the tournament "too-seriously" it's that people have an inherent sense of integrity - no matter how close they are to a subject in seriousness. And the Tournament has lost its integrity.
I think this is the most elegant way of describing the matter. And beyond that, it just sucks any chance of enjoying it out the window. Would everyone really pay any sort of attention to basketball/baseball/football if games were constantly and so blatantly thrown? Hell, it might have been more tolerable if it wasn't so obvious.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Razin The offending alliances provided more EVE content for you guys than this upcoming expansion ever will. You should be clamoring for more prizes and awards for those guys.
In exactly the same way that someone beaten to death in a drunken brawl near a local pub provides more "content" in tabloids than a local rock band performance the same evening in the same pub. Does that mean the thugs need a prize, not a time behind bars?
Last time I checked we were discussing a computer game with all kinds of nastiness being part of the gameplay. Take a deep breath. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Razin The offending alliances provided more EVE content for you guys than this upcoming expansion ever will. You should be clamoring for more prizes and awards for those guys.
In exactly the same way that someone beaten to death in a drunken brawl near a local pub provides more "content" in tabloids than a local rock band performance the same evening in the same pub. Does that mean the thugs need a prize, not a time behind bars?
Last time I checked we were discussing a computer game with all kinds of nastiness being part of the gameplay. Take a deep breath.
inb4 "ALL EVE GREEFERS ARE *******S IRL!!!" -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier I don't think CCP's stances is ever going to change. it was cool but it doesn't really need to have an official stance.
I think you're right, we don't at all need to have a stance and an opinion about matches. We do on the other hand evaluate the ruleset after each tournament, based on those matches. It would be fair to say that up until now, we've been able to have a relatively open ruleset and still provide good entertainment to the viewers. Most things that are left open like this, are left open until someone inevitably crosses the line and you have to revisit that openness. Will we need to revisit the rules based on what happened this year? Probably, but we won't know for sure for another year :)
That's why there was no big EVE TV crew round up for the end of the show.
That's why there was no extended talks about the end fight.
Every other tournament was a lot of good laughs and chatter and pride from the EVE TV group. Instead this year, it was a disappointing end, an unhappy audience, and a lot of Real Sponsors who sponsored real prizes who now have to ask if they want to sponsor an event with a lot of unhappy viewers.
Ignoring the consequences of this event is asking for failure. This is Entertainment.
EVE is "Real" as you say at CCP - and that means that excuses that because it is "EVE" makes it "alright" is a load of crap.
CCP is the tournament manager and they are responsible for the outcome - if you want to ignore the results, you had 30,000 very ****ed off viewers - if CCP hasn't learned that ****ing off the EVE community is not in their interest, and taking no action on it is suicide for the Tournament. If people are saying this is a "slippery slope" then, I don't have to do anything more than point at real events in real sports where real sports managers had to make a point to STOP stupid nonsense like this because it makes the AUDIENCE unhappy.
Noone cares about the ISK, or the money, or the meta-gaming, or the back-dealing they want to be entertained - they want to have fun.
It's not that hard to grasp. HYDRA disappointed, they didn't troll or make EVE QQ - they are being trolled, they've tarnished their reputation for being incompetent and selfish. And CCP is now just supporting that and taking their incompetence and shame on for themselves for lacking any action on the matter.
EVE isn't impervious and EVE isn't invulnerable - EVE is real. So don't pretend you can sit by and wash your hands of this and expect nothing of it. That's called insane.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Shaddup
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:56:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Whitehound on 20/06/2011 23:57:05
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Shaddup
A mystery of unknown dimensions has just unfold itself. --
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Bring back the drama and the need for popcorn!
Drama is abundant. But I agree that the demand for popcorn just can't be met.
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Shaddup
The first rule of embarrassing CCP outcome is that you do not talk about embarrassing CCP outcome.
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Wencher
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:54:00 -
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I liked how awkward the commentators were in the final. |
Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Razin The offending alliances provided more EVE content for you guys than this upcoming expansion ever will. You should be clamoring for more prizes and awards for those guys.
In exactly the same way that someone beaten to death in a drunken brawl near a local pub provides more "content" in tabloids than a local rock band performance the same evening in the same pub. Does that mean the thugs need a prize, not a time behind bars?
Last time I checked we were discussing a computer game with all kinds of nastiness being part of the gameplay. Take a deep breath.
We are talking about a competition here. AT is first of all a competition, community event. It's separated from the usual gameplay by a number of rules that were set by CCP to make sure the fights are more or less fair. If you enjoyed watching this final, good for you. I'm sure most ppl wanted to see a real match here and not a rigged farce.
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:21:00 -
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Let it be,CCP don,t seem to care
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Lei Fai
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:24:00 -
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I figure this thread has run its course. Thanks CCP soundwave for the response; as i said thats what i was looking for in the beginning.
ps. so does this count as a threadnaught lol.
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lei Fai I figure this thread has run its course. Thanks CCP soundwave for the response; as i said thats what i was looking for in the beginning.
ps. so does this count as a threadnaught lol.
response? you are saying that "will look at it next year" is what you are been looking for? Not enough for me though. i want to know what "Soundwave or any of the people close to the AT-production" feelings are about this f***up . Why? just to know if this was the plan for AT9 ,if it was, good luck with next AT ,if not we understand that you are learned a lesson here
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/06/2011 10:42:08
Originally by: Jos Wijnants
Originally by: Lei Fai I figure this thread has run its course. Thanks CCP soundwave for the response; as i said thats what i was looking for in the beginning.
ps. so does this count as a threadnaught lol.
response? you are saying that "will look at it next year" is what you are been looking for? Not enough for me though. i want to know what "Soundwave or any of the people close to the AT-production" feelings are about this f***up . Why? just to know if this was the plan for AT9 ,if it was, good luck with next AT ,if not we understand that you are learned a lesson here
What they did was NOT against AT rules.. Therefore as of right now there isn't much that can be done. If CCP is willing to look at it and prevent it from happening again by changing certain rules before the next AT, then that's the most that they can do in the first place.
That last match was annoying, and I didn't agree with what happened either... Was more like a circus act IMHO than an AT finals match.
Yet as mentioned above, they did not violate any of the AT pre-established rules.
Look at not only some of the previous AT's, but even other matches in this last one for examples of the anything goes structure of the tournament. Alliances have offered money (isk, not rmt) in the past right out in the open in exchange for their opposing team to either leave the field, self destruct, or simply let themselves be killed.
Actions like these have always been acceptable in the AT. It may suck, but there is nothing preventing anybody from doing it. At least not until CCP implements related rules and restrictions for future AT's.
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Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:47:00 -
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Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls.
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/06/2011 10:42:08
Originally by: Jos Wijnants
Originally by: Lei Fai I figure this thread has run its course. Thanks CCP soundwave for the response; as i said thats what i was looking for in the beginning.
ps. so does this count as a threadnaught lol.
response? you are saying that "will look at it next year" is what you are been looking for? Not enough for me though. i want to know what "Soundwave or any of the people close to the AT-production" feelings are about this f***up . Why? just to know if this was the plan for AT9 ,if it was, good luck with next AT ,if not we understand that you are learned a lesson here
What they did was NOT against AT rules.. Therefore as of right now there isn't much that can be done. If CCP is willing to look at it and prevent it from happening again by changing certain rules before the next AT, then that's the most that they can do in the first place.
That last match was annoying, and I didn't agree with what happened either... Was more like a circus act IMHO than an AT finals match.
Yet as mentioned above, they did not violate any of the AT pre-established rules.
Look at not only some of the previous AT's, but even other matches in this last one for examples of the anything goes structure of the tournament. Alliances have offered money (isk, not rmt) in the past right out in the open in exchange for their opposing team to either leave the field, self destruct, or simply let themselves be killed.
Actions like these have always been acceptable in the AT. It may suck, but there is nothing preventing anybody from doing it. At least not until CCP implements related rules and restrictions for future AT's.
I know that nothing can be done ,nothing can change the results of AT9 But in the past a lot of post were made after the tournaments by CCP about how wonderfull it was. This year the only response of this years tournament is Soundwaves reply. If they are fair (i hope they are ,really) they respond to this years tournament as well even if it is a negative respons. Why don,t they just vent their opinion about it?Sponsors maybe?Or afraid of loosing face?
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Agent zink
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:54:00 -
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The final was a joke, the participants are a joke. In F1 racing, the drivers of the same team sometimes let each other pass and sometimes almost run each other off the road. So yeah it happens in RL too. This does not mean that it is acceptable.
So i propose that CCP impounds all their stuff until they have mined 1 bil m^3 of trit and the make a vid of them doing it, oh and no orca's!
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Agent zink The final was a joke, the participants are a joke. In F1 racing, the drivers of the same team sometimes let each other pass and sometimes almost run each other off the road. So yeah it happens in RL too. This does not mean that it is acceptable.
So i propose that CCP impounds all their stuff until they have mined 1 bil m^3 of trit and the make a vid of them doing it, oh and no orca's!
we can,t compare the Tournament with F1 ,but even at a multi billion sports event like F1,when somebody messes up,they at least respond to it
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls.
CCP paid a fortune to show it. It flew a bunch of people to iceland and put them up for 2 weeks. Assigned staff to code the site, and administer the event. That **** don't cost a dollar.
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze Don't know much about the AT, did people have to pay to watch it? If not, stop the boohoo pls.
The only reason i do"boohoo" is i always loved the tournaments,until AT9 happened. The only thing i want to know,is there reason to gonna love AT10? Maybe Soundwave can actually give a decent reply or any other who was close to the production of the disappointing AT 9 ,so i and maybe some others (can speak only for myself) ,can rest assure that something is done about this. And why is CCP so quiet about this?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago
CCP Soundwave FFS, stop dancing around the bushes just told us something will be changed for next year to stop some of the community anger. And remember you too were getting shafted along side with rest of 28,000 players.
He's not getting shafted. Neither is CCP.
The entire event was a giant ****ing commericial for micro transcations and trying to play damage control on their less popular dev blogs. What happens on grid is at best, a nonfactor to them. For all CCP cares, every single team could have T1 industrials. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Dr Djago
CCP Soundwave FFS, stop dancing around the bushes just told us something will be changed for next year to stop some of the community anger. And remember you too were getting shafted along side with rest of 28,000 players.
He's not getting shafted. Neither is CCP.
The entire event was a giant ****ing commericial for micro transcations and trying to play damage control on their less popular dev blogs. What happens on grid is at best, a nonfactor to them. For all CCP cares, every single team could have T1 industrials.
so it seems, is it???????????????
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