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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 20/06/2011 09:06:48 My idea is to let the viewers do the meta-gaming during the tournament.
When Roman gladiators fought to the death could a crowd swing a fight around. This is idea shall basically do the same.
Players vote after a match if they liked it (or not) and thereby can influence the outcome of matches. This could be done by giving extra points to a team if they have won the crowds over.
Another feature could be that players would be allowed to vote during a fight as well, to allow a team to bring an extra player onto the field, while the fight is still on going.
If a fight turns out to be very boring and therefore gets only a low vote count could a GM hot-drop a Sansha Incursion onto the teams, just to spice it up.
This I'd love to see. --
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:05:00 -
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Good idea... lets bring some bots to the field also. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:05:00 -
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FINISH HIM
Fix Lag! |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:09:00 -
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I think the romans had the right idea... with crucification. |
LLoyd Thomson
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:19:00 -
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I think random ships should be abducted and thrown into the battlefield as diversion [twisted:]
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Serptimis
Amarr Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:21:00 -
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Well, it wasnt the crowd, but the owners of the gladiators who decided. Mostly they were spared, but an owner who never decided to let his fighters die would look cheap. Sorry, history nerd <==
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:31:00 -
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I love the idea of letting the crowd thumbsdown the lackluster teams, resulting in some form of punishment. Many ideas come to mind for that, HP penalty, WH-style effects, or having a NPC drop on them (like wild beasts in the gladiator arena). This will nicely discourage boring Drake and ECM teams.
For once, I approve of a Whitehound idea ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:34:00 -
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Oh yea :) The thumbsbot ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:35:00 -
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ilike ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ariel Silverblade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:36:00 -
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So, how would you keep one corp from flooding the voting with their own members/friends to gain more points?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Serptimis Well, it wasnt the crowd, but the owners of the gladiators who decided. Mostly they were spared, but an owner who never decided to let his fighters die would look cheap. Sorry, history nerd <==
Not really. The decision was effectively made by the crowds. You can turn this around and say that it was the owners, who made the decision, but it was the crowd that had to be entertained in the end. If the crowd did not get what they wanted then the whole concept (of entertaining the crowd) would have come apart. At best could one argue to spare a gladiator's life if otherwise their owners would run out of gladiators (and thus bring an end to the entertainment as well).
In the same way can you also argue that CCP (as the game maker) is making all the decisions for us, but it is really us who make the decisions for them. If we are aware if it is a different matter. --
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:49:00 -
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I like the idea of viewers voting on matches (maybe just for something relatively minor, like the viewers choice getting a small bonus in points) but it's problematic since alliances or their friends could votespam
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Serptimis
Amarr Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:57:00 -
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true, i guess that is the main reason for the fallout from the tourney, not that it was rigged, but that it wasn't entertaining, if it had been,no one would really care if it had been pre determined.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Silverblade So, how would you keep one corp from flooding the voting with their own members/friends to gain more points?
That is a bit of a silly question, isn't it? Why would you want to stop them? If this is what they want to do then they get exactly that. Everyone can do it and even big alliances who are not even participating can thereby rain down onto their enemies. But this is only stuff for the rumour mill.
However, if you consider the number of viewers (20,000 this time) and compare them with the size of each of the corporations and alliances then you will realize that the chance for a predictive manipulation becomes lower the more viewers you have. The more viewers you have the more likely the vote will swing to what the viewers want to see, and this is all what this is about. --
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Mr Smooth
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Silverblade So, how would you keep one corp from flooding the voting with their own members/friends to gain more points?
Don't bother trying. Just charge in PLEX/Aurum for the right to vote. It'd be just like The X-Factor.
I think CCP might implement this idea for AT-X don't you?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Smooth Don't bother trying. Just charge in PLEX/Aurum for the right to vote. It'd be just like The X-Factor.
I think CCP might implement this idea for AT-X don't you?
Exactly my thoughts. You would be sitting in your Captain's Quarters and would be watching the tournament from your couch. And you would have to pay 10,000 Aurum at the end of each match just to say "I approve" or "I disapprove". --
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/06/2011 13:40:27
Having just been rewatching Gods of the Arena (again) I approve of this idea!
Join the Revolution!
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:44:00 -
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Take a different page from the Coliseum - 3 way fights.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:46:00 -
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Can there be baboons and blonde girls too? ================
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I think the romans had the right idea... with crucification.
They also had the right spelling with crucifixion. --- I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again! Bart Simpson. |
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Serptimis Well, it wasnt the crowd, but the owners of the gladiators who decided. Mostly they were spared, but an owner who never decided to let his fighters die would look cheap. Sorry, history nerd <==
Not really. The decision was effectively made by the crowds. You can turn this around and say that it was the owners, who made the decision, but it was the crowd that had to be entertained in the end. If the crowd did not get what they wanted then the whole concept (of entertaining the crowd) would have come apart. At best could one argue to spare a gladiator's life if otherwise their owners would run out of gladiators (and thus bring an end to the entertainment as well).
Actually ... it was the emperor or the higher dignitary present, that took the final decision.
However the crowd would shout their opinion, and the decision was, in fact, influenced by that. It was also influenced by the gladiator owners. You should think of it as a process where "public opinion" and "lobbyists" both expressed their desires, but one single "superpower" actually decided. In fact this is still how things work. The only difference is that those "in the power" never left the capital by ballot, always by coffin. --- I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again! Bart Simpson. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: da go Actually ... it was the emperor or the higher dignitary present, that took the final decision.
No. You may believe that it was like this, but it was and is the crowd, which decides. The final decision, as you call it, was nothing more than a single person expressing the decision of the crowd. If this went the wrong way, i.e. a local authority deciding the outcome for themselves, which is what you likely imply with your belief of a "final decision", then sooner or later would the crowd have brought their decision onto the authority, or as you put it, to bury it with a coffin (and coffins certainly are final if anything).
A ruler will only stay in power as long as the crowd is behind the ruler. And this is also how a ruler comes into power. There is little room for a ruler to make its own decisions independent of a crowd. It is also not much of a power when you think about it, when whatever you decide has to be what the crowd wants. However, a single person having such a final say is what some people believe in when they think of power, rulers, authorities and decision making.
Decisions had to be made "in favour of Rome" for example. During the rise of the Roman Empire will the crowd have made the decisions with an authority expressing these decisions. During its fall was it likely someone who made these decisions for themselves and not what the people had wanted. Maybe the authorities were trying to predict people's decision and trying to influence it somehow.
This is still true today - do what the people want and you get elected. Fail to do what they want and you are out of the office again. --
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:22:00 -
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this sounds horribly silly.
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:06:00 -
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lets not fight atall and just vote the winner. make peace not war.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jekyl Eraser lets not fight atall and just vote the winner. make peace not war.
No, we already had this. Were you not watching?! --
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 20/06/2011 17:17:26 Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 20/06/2011 17:17:07
PIT THE FINEST GLADIATORS IN ALL OF NEW EDEN IN SINGULAR ONE ON ONE COMBAT TO THE DEATH!
You can even have weight divisions.
EVE BOXING.
Each alliance may put forth their team to compete in each division. Frig/Destroyer/Cruiser etc etc. One team member per division. Or something along those lines.
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