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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:00:00 -
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I never really understood the divide between pirates and non pirates in Eve. In fact I've heard some really different definitions which made for some interesting discussions.
Like, it's not piracy if you kill in nullsec or a wormhole. But it is piracy in lowsec or high sec.
If you see someone ratting in a WH and you jump them, pop them, and steal their stuffz, do you consider that piracy? If you bash a WH POS for lulz or because a friend asks you for help, is that piracy?
Is so, well, as I understand it, doesn't Eve University follow NBSI in 0.0 and w-space? Are they, then, pirates as well?
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:01:00 -
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I killed a badger once.
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Scarlett Anstian
Minmatar DPB Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:03:00 -
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I haven't been playing for long but I would say unprovoked aggression towards another player resulting in the loss of isk and items. Coming to the aid of a friend who has been jumped and then looting, isnt what I would call piracy. But then again I am still learning
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Htrag I killed a badger once.
Oh dearà The RSPCA is coming for you! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mars Theran on 21/06/2011 04:06:31 Pirates exist in all securities of space, including Nullsec and Wormholes. What constitutes a Pirate is a matter of attitude: Disregard for occupation or inability to defend ones ship, respect for no one that has not the strength or power to defend itself effectively, or provide a considerable challenge, and the willingness to take by strength or numbers what does not belong to them.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Htrag I killed a badger once.
Oh dearà The RSPCA is coming for you!
That's nothing, I killed a drake once. (Quack..quack) _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Blnukem 192
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:07:00 -
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Attack someone, ransom them, blow up their ship if they don't pay the ransom.
Originally by: CCP Navigator This is really not worthy of a thread.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:07:00 -
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Pirates wear awesome hats and have wooden legs
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:09:00 -
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Piracy is killing people for the sake of taking there stuff as profit.
It doesnt exist in EVE.
It only works when the ratio os target to to pirates is very high.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Htrag I killed a badger once.
Oh dearà The RSPCA is coming for you!
That's nothing, I killed a drake once. (Quack..quack)
That's more of an Royal Society for the Prevention Protection of Birds thing, thoughà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:11:00 -
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Piracy happens where there is 'law' no 'law' no piracy just survival, out in the wasteland you get the other guy before he gets you or you take the chance he isn't going to get you if you let him go.
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:14:00 -
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Piracy is about making a profit from your shenanigans either through loot or ransom, this c an happen in high, low sec and 0.0 or WH space. What most people do in low sec isn't piracy at all, it's PVP. Nothing wrong with that ofcourse but the fact that you're in low sec and -10 doesn't make you a pirate perse.
________ Amat victoria curam.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:21:00 -
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It's piracy if you kill/steal for the loot and killmails are only secondary.
If you do it in low-sec on gates or in high-sec with wardecs or even ninja-salvaging: it's all the same. PvP-ers that fund their PvP with an carebear alt are more trophy-hunters then actual pirates.
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Ioci
Gallente Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:58:00 -
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I'm not a pirate. I'm trying to bankrupt the Insurance company. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:08:00 -
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Piracy is either
1. PvP with one side or both being outlaw status
2. Crying about game mechanic changes in lowsec, usually resulting in less killmails |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:14:00 -
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Piracy, in my opinion, is when a player attacks another player, gets a security hit for doing so, and is attacking for the sole purpose of looting/salvaging the other players ship. By my own estimation, piracy can only be achieved in hisec/losec. The security hit is the big point.
Nulsec has it's own rules. If your sovereign over a system, or allowed to be their by the holders, then attacking others is NOT piracy, but defense. If you are in someone else's system without permission, that's called 'raiding', because eventually you'll have to bug out.
Wormholes, they're even worse. Anything goes. You can't 'own' a wormhole, so I don't much care if you pretend it's yours or not. If it was yours, you'd keep the players you don't want out. If you can't, it's not yours. Nothing criminal, nothing wrong, and nothing out of place for killing randoms, though always the possibility of corporate fallout
So no, just attacking other players to loot their stuffs is NOT piracy. |
Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz It's piracy if you kill/steal for the loot and killmails are only secondary.
Then piracy pretty much doesn't exist.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:47:00 -
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On you kill one person for the little isk in their wallet - that's piracy.
When you kill thousands of people for a huge amount of isk contained in moons and territory - that's politics.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:47:00 -
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Downloading stuff off of bad websites
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Piracy, in my opinion, is when a player attacks another player, gets a security hit for doing so, and is attacking for the sole purpose of looting/salvaging the other players ship. By my own estimation, piracy can only be achieved in hisec/losec. The security hit is the big point.
Nulsec has it's own rules. If your sovereign over a system, or allowed to be their by the holders, then attacking others is NOT piracy, but defense. If you are in someone else's system without permission, that's called 'raiding', because eventually you'll have to bug out.
Wormholes, they're even worse. Anything goes. You can't 'own' a wormhole, so I don't much care if you pretend it's yours or not. If it was yours, you'd keep the players you don't want out. If you can't, it's not yours. Nothing criminal, nothing wrong, and nothing out of place for killing randoms, though always the possibility of corporate fallout
So no, just attacking other players to loot their stuffs is NOT piracy.
Rationalize it all you want, I can guarantee you I'm not a spy, give you all my character ID's and all current API's since I started playing, and you'll still blow me up when I fly into your space unannounced.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:54:00 -
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Pirate: Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engage in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea.
I would say if you own Sov you are not a Pirate because you are a Government. If you are War Dec'd it is probably also not Piracy. Taking there loot and using it to help fund you is also Piracy as well as Ransoming. Attacking for only +Rep seems more like Gang Behavour then Piracy marking territory wear you opperate and run out of even if it doesn't belong to you.
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gdjghjhgjfh
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo I never really understood the divide between pirates and non pirates in Eve. In fact I've heard some really different definitions which made for some interesting discussions.
Like, it's not piracy if you kill in nullsec or a wormhole. But it is piracy in lowsec or high sec.
If you see someone ratting in a WH and you jump them, pop them, and steal their stuffz, do you consider that piracy? If you bash a WH POS for lulz or because a friend asks you for help, is that piracy?
Is so, well, as I understand it, doesn't Eve University follow NBSI in 0.0 and w-space? Are they, then, pirates as well?
suicide gankers in 0.5+ and npc rats are pirates everyone else not a pirate |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo I never really understood the divide between pirates and non pirates in Eve.
That's because there is no real function for pirates to use. Nothing but ganking that is.
A good start would be to right click-ransom where the pirate could enter an amount and the victim can accept or decline. If accepted the pirate loses aggro..at least this would work in high sec.
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gdjghjhgjfh
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blnukem 192 Attack someone, ransom them, blow up their ship if they don't pay the ransom.
thats extortion.
I mine/build/fight/cloak.
i usually mine to get minerals to build so i have stuff to fight with if not i cloak
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 21/06/2011 05:48:45 Downloading stuff off of bad websites
Originally by: Makko Gray On you kill one person...
PLEASE TELL ME THAT WAS A TYPO, PLEASE!
I fear that this "on" fad will get so bad sentences will look like this in just months - "On, on on on, on your on my on."
Yup - should wait til I've had the first coffee before posting
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Piracy, in my opinion, is when a player attacks another player, gets a security hit for doing so, and is attacking for the sole purpose of looting/salvaging the other players ship. By my own estimation, piracy can only be achieved in hisec/losec. The security hit is the big point.
Nulsec has it's own rules. If your sovereign over a system, or allowed to be their by the holders, then attacking others is NOT piracy, but defense. If you are in someone else's system without permission, that's called 'raiding', because eventually you'll have to bug out.
Wormholes, they're even worse. Anything goes. You can't 'own' a wormhole, so I don't much care if you pretend it's yours or not. If it was yours, you'd keep the players you don't want out. If you can't, it's not yours. Nothing criminal, nothing wrong, and nothing out of place for killing randoms, though always the possibility of corporate fallout
So no, just attacking other players to loot their stuffs is NOT piracy.
Rationalize it all you want, I can guarantee you I'm not a spy, give you all my character ID's and all current API's since I started playing, and you'll still blow me up when I fly into your space unannounced.
Hahahaha ... if we're in losec, you won't see me shooting you unless your flagged or engage me. It's a handicap that I choose to take with me, but it means I get to stay on top.
I'll be the first to admit that most anti-pirates are only pirates who try to use morality to say they're better. Being a true anti-pirate puts you at a significant disadvantage on the battlefield. I won't pod you, I won't shoot you first, but I will salvage your ship if you attack me, heheheh ...
Of course, my corporation doesn't own space. You can't own losec, and we have no want for 0.0. Wormholes? Yeah, your screwed.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 21/06/2011 05:48:45 Downloading stuff off of bad websites
Originally by: Makko Gray On you kill one person...
PLEASE TELL ME THAT WAS A TYPO, PLEASE!
I fear that this "on" fad will get so bad sentences will look like this in just months - "On, on on on, on your on my on."
Yup - should wait til I've had the first coffee before posting
lol I wish I were waking up right now. I have to stay up all night long and all I've got is some booze, the EVE forums and a list of games I don't feel like playing, aside from the new EVE which I am waiting for.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nuhm DeAra I fear that this "on" fad will get so bad sentences will look like this in just months - "On, on on on, on your on my on."
? What fad is that? I just made peace with the whole "is is" talko (), and now there's a new one? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
saltrock0000
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:04:00 -
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to be a pirate one must have all of the following:
A Ship A Parrott A Gun A Sword just incase - Sword may be butter knife A Unhealthy lust for rum A Lust for women A very manly beard
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 21/06/2011 05:58:19
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Piracy, in my opinion, is when a player attacks another player, gets a security hit for doing so, and is attacking for the sole purpose of looting/salvaging the other players ship. By my own estimation, piracy can only be achieved in hisec/losec. The security hit is the big point.
Nulsec has it's own rules. If your sovereign over a system, or allowed to be their by the holders, then attacking others is NOT piracy, but defense. If you are in someone else's system without permission, that's called 'raiding', because eventually you'll have to bug out.
Wormholes, they're even worse. Anything goes. You can't 'own' a wormhole, so I don't much care if you pretend it's yours or not. If it was yours, you'd keep the players you don't want out. If you can't, it's not yours. Nothing criminal, nothing wrong, and nothing out of place for killing randoms, though always the possibility of corporate fallout
So no, just attacking other players to loot their stuffs is NOT piracy.
Rationalize it all you want, I can guarantee you I'm not a spy, give you all my character ID's and all current API's since I started playing, and you'll still blow me up when I fly into your space unannounced.
edit: and take my stuff.
And no, a bit of friendly conversation when I show up, followed by ganking me does not count towards making it a non-pirate activity. Considering I can also fly out of your space with a pod, and hit a Bubbled gatecamp with 30 pilots and get ganked, that rules out the spy concern entirely. Or were you worried I was going to spy on the Highsec system on the other side of the gate?
Don't BS me about killing people in Nullsec being exempt from the consideration of Piracy. NBSI is as much piracy as anything else, even if it is necessary sometimes. When the closest non-blue is 32 jumps in any direction, you can hardly excuse shooting neutrals.
Security hits have very little to do with it.
Hey, if you feel you can fly into sovereign space owned by other players, and don't feel they should be able to shoot you on sight for invading their territory, they you obviously haven't tried to live out there.
Anyhow, NBSI is the SMART way to play the game, not the morally correct way. NRDS is more morally accurate, but it's pretty dumb in most losec-nulsec-wh situations.
Pilots who fly NRDS are waiting to be used by others. You can't blame other players for playing smarter.
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