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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khefira - No new gameplay-features added - Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy") - Still no interaction with other player's avatars - ONE new ship model - Still no missile bays - No new ships added - CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction - Patch notes say: "Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnĘt affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."
Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.
If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.
WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.
You do realize that vanity items, along with the CQ is completely optional. Noone is forcing you to purchase vanity items and no one is forcing you to enter CQ (there is an option do disable CQ from the ESC menu, putting you back to the hangar only view)
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Khefira
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-Incarna will make the PLEX prices go poof, forcing more players to pay with a real life currency instead of PLEX
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Thats an assumption. There is no way of knowing how the pricing for PLEX will be effected. Now, it's true that it might cause pricing to increase. But it's also possible that price for PLEX will go down depending on the demand and how many units of PLEX are out there. It might cause people to throw a ton of PLEX into the game causing a shift that makes PLEX cheaper. Or it might cause a lot of PLEX to be bought up and cause PLEX pricing to skyrocket due to less stock and more demand. It's anyone's guess. We'll only have to wait and see.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: upper left my god there is always a child that complains
People tend to hate change. They just need to accept it for fact and conform. :-P
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Originally by: Mightylink When I quit WoW to join EVE, I didn't realize I brought the community with me... seriously I thought people where better here v_v
I may have got here just before you because for a few months this place was civilised and full of people who could think.
Little wonder why people are finding their own wormholes and staying in them.
The people in the forums aren't the same "people" you find in the game. it's like being in their POD makes them act different then when they are in the forums. I just ignore the idiots and laugh for entertainment value.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herping yourDerp it is a pretty crappy expansion incarna is pretty worthless and basically only adds eye candy so far. however, it might bring more players. most people dont want their character to be a ship or a pod, they want a person they can do stuff with, no matter how minor. the only thing i dont like is that we have to use CQ, i think incarna should be 100% optional, i liked spinning my ship.
OP's point about extremely little content is true despite the incarna kids posting nonsense at him, but its ONLY bad because incursion was kinda dumb IMO, if you dont care about incursions ( like me) it offers nothing to you which means if ur like me, its been like a year since we had content.
then again i understand eve is different for everyone and I kinda just wish they hinted toward the next step..
As it has been stated 3 times now in this post alone, Incarna's CQ is 100% COMPLETELY OPTIONAL. Go to the ESC menu and uncheck the box for CQ.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Reteris
Originally by: upper left my god there is always a child that complains
People tend to hate change. They just need to accept it for fact and conform. :-P
Correction: people hate change for the worse. Good change is always welcomed.
They don't like any change period. Good or Bad is irrelevent. People complain just to complain. Even when something REALLY IS good, they complain because it doesn't work the exact way they want it too. It's even better when they complain about a change that they aren't even forced to use. That entertains me the most I think. Honestly I hated Incursion because it didn't really add much for me, since thats not in my gameplay style BUT, I didn't complain because I knew that even though I may never get into Incursion, someone else would and it's good for them to get something out of it. Either way you guys against Incarna are very entertaining during this downtime. Please continue. On with the show!!
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 17:52:07
Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Khefira - No new gameplay-features added - Only one out of four CQs got finished (which doesn't add gameplay features either, it only looks "kind of fancy") - Still no interaction with other player's avatars - ONE new ship model - Still no missile bays - No new ships added - CCP tries to milk its players for money by introducing microtransaction - Patch notes say: "Dogma, the process that handles attributes on items and how they are modified, was massively re-engineered. This change shouldnĘt affect players or change gameplay in any way but is the groundwork for features in following releases."
Oh wow, so you will probably be able to buy new overpowered modules for your internetspaceships via Aurum, which you are supposed to create by converting PLEX you created with RL-Cash.
If I REALLY wanted to spend my RL Cash on internet fashion pixels and want to ****wave around other player's avatars with my fancy overpriced clothing, I'd play Second Life. But no, I play EVE because of the internet spaceships gameplay - and this expansion has done next to nothing to it.
WTB the 2003-Dominion Dev Team, at least they added GOOD gameplay features.
Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?
Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.
They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.
Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.
so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.
so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about
I really must be in the wrong country is it only costs you guys in europe $5 a month for MMO games. Man, it's like $10-$15 here for every MMO and expansions tend to be about $30-$50 give or take. You guys wanna switch me?
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: Reteris Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 17:52:07
Originally by: Etheoma
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Really? What a life you must have to complain about another free improvement. Did your parents not hit you enough or something?
Do you think that changing the entire game is some simple task? They could have just pulled the plug on Eve and started creating a completely different game, but they chose to be loyal to their customers and add the new CONTENT as a free expansion..once again. You think they are milking you for money? Don't ****ing spend the money. It is not required to play and in no way are they forcing you to do it.
They have explained in more than enough detail that this expansion will take some time and a few phases to implement. Anyone with half the IQ necessary for normal bodily function should be able to see that what they are doing here is an extremely difficult and significant upgrade and modification to this game.
Your post is just pointless drivel about things you obviously don't understand at all. There is absolutely nothing for you to complain about here, period. STFU you dumb little child.
so what your saying is you think even once the incarna patches are finished it will add more to the game than WH space or any other expansion, and the improvement arnt free we pay near 15 euros a month which seeing as for most games you only pay $5 a month and then you have to buy new games ok eve take more upkeep than most games but euros 10 is probably enough to run the serves and the extra 4.5 a month over 6 months = 27 euro's and considering most mmos only upgrade every 2 years or so because they change near everything it probably adds up to the same work that goes into 2 6month expansions so thats 54 euros a year you pay for expansions so don't say its free we damn well pay for it.
so you stop attacking people when you plainly dont know what your talking about
I really must be in the wrong country is it only costs you guys in europe $5 a month for MMO games. Man, it's like $10-$15 here for every MMO and expansions tend to be about $30-$50 give or take. You guys wanna switch me?
sorry i havent looked at other MMO's for years shiz they used to cost something like that but other mmos are not $15 a month there around $12 - $13 and eve as standard is $20 so you still pay for expansions
Most of the MMO's I've seen here in the US are either $10 or $15 a month. Also, in the US EVE is only $15 a month, not $20.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tesuil Edited by: Tesuil on 21/06/2011 18:15:01 I suspect a lot of the complaining on here has little to with the expansion, and has probably a lot to with the fact the expansion is causing the server to be down and some of you are having to find other ways to entertain yourselves!
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Speak for yourself, reading all the anti-Incarna people is quite entertaining. been reading their attempts of discredit since 13:00 EVE time. I haven't stopped being entertained since.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: Khefira
1. Buying ISK with PLEX doesn't create in-game items such as modules out of thin air.
This is your only valid point in the whole waste of characters you call a post
Originally by: Khefira
2. If you need to play 16h a day for buying a PLEX you are doing something wrong.
Keep up with the conversation, I need to play 16hrs a day to pay for my faction-fit ship addiction! Estamal's Ravens aren't cheap!
Originally by: Khefira
3. Buying PLEX, converting them to AUR and buying items on NeX DOES create items out of thin air, game wise.
Yeah, I am so upset that people can use IRL cash to make funny hats and skirts appear out of thin air, will cut down on my tailoring sales, not to mention the work of all the people who haul textiles and thread for me... wait a sec, no one makes clothes in game, and clothes don't do **** for you, so no one cares at all about it, STOP PRETENDING YOU DO!
Originally by: Khefira
4. The impact this will have on the economy is yet to be seen - but as M&D has already predicted, it would change EVE's economy (and therefore the sandbox) to the worse, since you won't be able to create those items without paying for them with cash.
Yes, look to the M&D 'experts' for predictions. Seeing as how often they investin each others schemes only to have someone go AWOL and RMT the proceeds they OBVIOUSLY are the best source of predictions.
Originally by: Khefira
5. As a result for this PLEX prices rise, mineral and "normal" item prices will go down. See where this is going?
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Originally by: Khefira
5. PLEX was created to counter RMT, whereas AUR is for filling CCP's pockets.
Whuy do you have 2 5's?
Haha.. 2 fives. I like that. Nice....
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Etheoma Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:29:54 I do however love that this discussion has sidetracked everyone from the fact that the sever was supposed to be up 2 hours and 55 minutes ago well tbh its not a shocker, 12 hours i would say that the least the server is going to be down another half hour never take eve extended downtime's at face value always add at least 25% and that being kind usually after that double it and that's when it will probably be up
No, the original unaltered estimate was that the servers would return at 19:00 EVE time. It's only 18:30 EVE time. They aren't late yet.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tyr Kurvora
Originally by: Etheoma Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:32:10 Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:29:54 I do however love that this discussion has sidetracked everyone from the fact that the sever was supposed to be up 2 hours and 55 minutes ago well tbh its not a shocker, 12 hours i would say that the least the server is going to be down another half hour never take eve extended downtime's at face value always add at least 25% and that being kind usually after that double it and that's when it will probably be up, so I'm guessing 7am ugt 24 hours
Original estimate - 17:00 UTC = 1:00PM EDT Extended - 21:00 UTC = 5:00PM EDT
The servers were originally supposed to be up 1.5 hours ago, now they're not supposed to be up for another 2.5
Where was it posted that it would be 17:00 UTC? It's been set for 19:00 since 2 weeks ago (when it showed up on the EVE calendar? (posted by CCP on the calandar at 6/5/2011 if I recall. Download was clearly labeled at 14 hours)
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Many consider Red Moon Rising as one of the best expansions, but they were either not around when the patch was deployed or have forgotten what happened. TQ was offline for a day and when the server came online, it was practically unplayable, with horrible lag, even in empty systems. Not to mention, that EVE had more bugs then Klendathu after the release. It took CCP a week to fix the expansion into something that could be enjoyed.
People these days are just whiney little ****s that don't have the slightest idea what it takes to make something like Eve happen and to keep it happening for years.
Not one person in here could create something like Eve, let alone any product that is perfect that nobody would complain about.
I think it is repulsive that you ****ing humans complain when you are given something for nothing. If you don't like the new features, DON'T ****ING USE THEM. They are not taking anything away from anyone...simply adding more.
Is it more that you babies feel like your not as good at life because somebody in a game has an item that you don't have?
Heck, don't I know this! Heh, I'm a professional developer (nothing as large as EVE) but I'll tell you what, no matter what you do, big or small, there will always be that group that will complain complain complain. Even with it's a perfect deployment and works very well (and isn't forced). I remember when we added something as simple as using [ctrl] + [c] for copy and paste to a teacher application we had built, the users were complaining because they didn't want to use the keyboard for that. It's like, "ok, then use the menu like you always do. We aren't forcing you to use the keyboard". CCP has always done a great job. I can't say that I have enjoyed every patch (wasn't into Incursion) but thats ok, I'm not being forced to do Incursions so I'm ok with that. Diminion was the most recent one I really liked. Been waiting for Incarna for while though.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 18:52:51 Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 18:52:31 Edited by: Reteris on 21/06/2011 18:51:34
Originally by: Tyr Kurvora
Originally by: Reteris
Originally by: Tyr Kurvora
Originally by: Etheoma Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:32:10 Edited by: Etheoma on 21/06/2011 18:29:54 I do however love that this discussion has sidetracked everyone from the fact that the sever was supposed to be up 2 hours and 55 minutes ago well tbh its not a shocker, 12 hours i would say that the least the server is going to be down another half hour never take eve extended downtime's at face value always add at least 25% and that being kind usually after that double it and that's when it will probably be up, so I'm guessing 7am ugt 24 hours
Original estimate - 17:00 UTC = 1:00PM EDT Extended - 21:00 UTC = 5:00PM EDT
The servers were originally supposed to be up 1.5 hours ago, now they're not supposed to be up for another 2.5
Where was it posted that it would be 17:00 UTC? It's been set for 19:00 since 2 weeks ago (when it showed up on the EVE calendar? (posted by CCP on the calandar at 6/5/2011 if I recall. Download was clearly labeled at 14 hours)
Uh..on the front page.
"Incarna 1.0 is scheduled for deployment during an extended downtime on Tuesday, June 21. Downtime will begin at 07:00 UTC and is expected to be completed by 17:00 UTC."
"Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. The database updates are taking longer than expected, and therefore the downtime has been extended. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 21:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding."
Alright. Fair enough. I didn't see that part. I was looking at the calendar..
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:18:00 -
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You know, I thought as the hours went by the level of entertainment on this thread would start being diminished. I was wrong, it becomes more entertaining as the hours go by. lol
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania I'm not that bothered by vanity items. I might buy them or not, depending on what they are or how they look. And I will buy them for RL cash as I prefer grinding in the office to grinding in Eve (you know, 1h of office grind can buy you many plexes). What bothers me is that MT might start to encroach on Eve proper. Now it's skirts, high hills and Lous Vuitton bags, but that can easily be premium boosters, "improved" modules and premium ammo. That will be the point where Eve will start losing its appeal.
I love how you completely tip-toed around the vanity stripper pole. When that happens all the PLEXes will be consumed in purchase of this grand item. I hope it comes with a NPC dancer.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann Does anyone remember an expansion that wasn't called "the worst ever" by at least one person?
I sure don't, but I've only been playing since shortly before Trinity.
I guess maybe the first expansion wasn't the worst ever, since it was the first.
I've been here since the beginning, we have never had a patch that wasn't followed by some group of people complaining about it.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sampledjoker
Originally by: Khefira Edited by: Khefira on 21/06/2011 19:22:26
Originally by: LuNaRiAn SeRpEnT
Show us all another mainstream MMO that allows you to just have the expansions for the normal monthly subscription fee. Can't? I rest my case. When put into context, you are getting the expansion for free. Period.
When put into context? No, i just checked, CCP is still charging 15$. The only MMO I'm familiar with is WOW. They are charging for expansions, yes. But you can't compare those to EVE. WOW expansions focus on content for players who reached the level cap. CCP tries to make their playerbase larger. Larger playerbase means more money from subscriptions, so they are getting both their money with new expansions.
Also mainstream MMOs that do charge nothing for expansions: -Runescape (F2P) -Everquest (P2P)
I'm sure there are more. Just two examples, should be enough to prove my point.
Everquest expansions DO cost money. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Don't I know it. EQ expansions were expensive from the viewpoint of a 13 year old. lol.
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