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Entheogenth
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 -
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ok, this is very strange.. the same REAL items in the noble shop are 1/3th the price of the VIRTUAL items. this is more then weird. non existing items three times more expensive then the real ones?
i think im gonna be a game designer too.. make 1 product, make infinite copies of it, and sell it for 3 times the real price!
for example see:
see http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/eyewear.php?__utma=1.725941753.1306585786.1306585786.1308752860.2&__utmb=1.1.10.1308752860&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1308752860.2.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=%28organic%29|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=the%20gentlemans%20shop&__utmv=-&__utmk=135599665
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Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 -
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Has anyone said 'Wait until the prices go down.' or 'Don't buy them then.' yet?
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Yoruichi kun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tugrath Akers Has anyone said 'Wait until the prices go down.' or 'Don't buy them then.' yet?
many but that not the point lol
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Will Cenn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life.
People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing.
While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
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Sprawdzacz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 -
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How to put this thing on my char eye?!
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Chidori kun
Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life.
People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing.
While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
Well said sir,
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 -
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Now coming to a CCP blog near you
Quote:
Don't worry gais! We was just kidding! Err testing! Yes that's the word! Now after we reconsidered our joke and surely not because of all the complaining we are fixing this price problem. Which was not really a problem but just a test. Ho ho..
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Zondrail
Formic Hive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:03:00 -
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Releasing 100 items at small prices = micro-transactions
Releasing 7 items at ridiculous prices = macro-transactions? thinking people will just feed you money for crap? wishful thinking? bad planning?
Definitely not micro-transactions...
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Soladari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:06:00 -
[1029]
Originally by: Myra2007 Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Epic! Just F'ing EPIC! LOL
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:08:00 -
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soon : pirate eyepatch available ! how much ? well you see the bounties add we see on CQ ? check the number 1. only the number one pirate would be good enough to wear that, it's not for anyone after all. so you saw his bounty ? it's the price for the eyepatch. nice right ? no ? why do you want to do with this rope ?
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Stignos
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life.
People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing.
While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
Very well said sir. I hope someone in CCP actually listens to us.
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Sprawdzacz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:27:00 -
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Guys, 12k AUR... maybe not everyone may buy it.
But still... how to use this oculars?! I lost 4 PLEX for item that is not working o_O
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Butzewutze
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Butzewutze on 22/06/2011 15:29:12 Edited by: Butzewutze on 22/06/2011 15:29:02 Looks like the vulcan, that erupted some time ago, had a bigger influence on them as i thought first. This is B()llshlt
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Oisin Sandovar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. ... The problem comes with the degree. ... While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
It is as easy as don't buy it. The issue is that as a consumer you feel that the prices are crazy, so don't buy. That means the seller has to lower their prices. That's capitalism.
I don't mind buying vanity items, but these prices are crazy. I know you agree.
I'm not sure why people feel insulted at the prices CCP has posted. Personally, I found it hilarious because the prices are way out of reality. I laughed and laughed and laughed. I laughed so hard, I cried. I laughed because the prices were crazy. Did I feel insulted? No, I just thought CCP was crazy.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sprawdzacz Guys, 12k AUR... maybe not everyone may buy it.
But still... how to use this oculars?! I lost 4 PLEX for item that is not working o_O
You need to be at the station with the monocle in storage, then you need to go to character re-customization. It is under the glasses tab.
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Evillseed
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:34:00 -
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At this point there's not much to add other than my voice to the chorus.
I probably wasn't going to pay RL money for a monocle anyway, but the relative value of a ship to put on my dresser or some Gurista t-shirts is far more than some pixels that people who look at my portrait see.
Note to CCP: EvE still takes place in space. We're happy for you that you get to do PI to assist in launching Dust and that you get to do avatars for us to assist in your other projects, but we still like playing internet spaceships. We are happy to pay you for the use of your platform to play internet spaceships, but please don't be deceived into thinking that we want to pay exorbitant amounts to have our picture of the guy flying the internet spaceship look slightly different.
IMO personalized paint schemes > personalized avatars anyway, but that doesn't assist in building other games so your cash cow gets the shaft. Not cool.
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Malartacha Foram
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Will Cenn Edited by: Will Cenn on 22/06/2011 14:47:04 A lot of their excuses are why these things should be expensive in the Eve universe, not in real life.
People who say your not being forced are missing the point. It isn't as simple as you like it you buy, you don't you don't. Obviously a lot of people do want this stuff, most are not oppossed to the concept. They provide an extra service, we pay for it. It is the basis of our capitalist society and there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
The problem comes with the degree. It isn't unreasonable by any stretch to want an equitable trade for your money, I am betting most would happily accept a slightly negative trade but this is well beyond that. This is not equitable. Even extortinate would be a step down. It devalues our money and in turn us to ask so much for what services they are providing.
While I do agree this thread has seen it's share of stupidity, if you think people are stupid for feeling insulted, well then the irony is also probably lost on you.
I agree.
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Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Syme Now I have been downgraded from autistic to having aspergers I will try again and see if I can drop to just pedantic.
No mind-searing insights just an example. You have a set of new products with a wide price range and are about to launch it, knowing that you have an interested market. Do you:
A) Release the cheapest in the range first so that everyone buys one and the market is immediately sated, with only the fashion conscious and wealthy replacing their existing product with the more expensive in the range? B) Delay the release so that you can launch all the range at once, confusing your market (and perhaps antagonising them through the delay) and letting them enter at any price point (probably the lowest)? C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access?
CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most wonÆt until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices.
But we're not looking at a particularly high-end product. The Noble Exchange exists within an already established gaming market, and a pair of virtual trousers already has a perceived worth. The Noble Exchange is attempting to inflate that perceived worth to a degree that many find simply ludicrous, and I don't think it's wrong to question the strategy.
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:49:00 -
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When they change the prices for ABSURD to just RIPOFF because they "listened to the community" im going to laugh so hard
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marwood Ford But we're not looking at a particularly high-end product. The Noble Exchange exists within an already established gaming market, and a pair of virtual trousers already has a perceived worth. The Noble Exchange is attempting to inflate that perceived worth to a degree that many find simply ludicrous, and I don't think it's wrong to question the strategy.
àand to put that perceived worth into perspective, compare the $15-average NeX prices to, say, these skin/dress/pet/emote/service prices. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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miiral
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ishnadriel Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25 I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ?
Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous...
+1 Out of curiosity I checked SL marketplace for item like this. As 1$ IRL is like SL L$250-300, 79$ IRL to thin air is quite a lot or I just don't see the fine craftsmanship of their vanity products
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Delta Jax
NixCraft IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 -
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I don't really care about the monocles.. but this is a bad precedent for CCP.
Seriously, wtf is going on at CCP HQ? Who let the Finance Team drive this bus off the cliff?
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 -
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You know, for a rage thread this is actually pretty tame.
I have two plexes in my hangar. 36 hours ago I was considering breaking them down into Aurum and buying a few things in the NEX. Now I'm wondering if it's even worth it to redeem them for game time. Do I trust a company this shortsighted to make good choices for the future development of this game?
I may very well have been one of the "hobbyists" CCP Zinfandel was referring to. I wouldn't think it would be unreasonable to drop a billion isk worth of plexes on a handful of cool items. However, there is no circumstance where a single skirt is more valuable than 30 days of game time.
On top of that they aren't destroyed on podding? What kind of carebear crap is that ****? This spits in the face of the sandbox philosophy. They're going to ignore their previous standard and create an industructable item? Why? Because they don't want to **** off the MT customers? Would they have refunded the Ishikone Watch Scorpion upon dustruction, too?
I love how CCP justifies the prices of the vanity items with RP arguements, but doesn't stop to consider that the cloning facilities will activate a clone with a 1 million isk contract and then give you a ONE BILLION isk monacle free of charge.
What does this say for Dust 514? CCP has already stated that gear purchased with AUR will be superior. Is the $150 superlaser going to be refunded every time the buyer gets killed?
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 22/06/2011 16:01:27
Originally by: Jade Constantine But the world of tanks guys "get" microtransactions and the "pay to play model" they know how to price this stuff and use it to leverage development on their core game. They haven't spent the last 2 years developing a "walking in tanks" environment where we can spend 30 quid on a master-gunner-monacle that does nothing at the price of ignoring their core battle engine which languishes somewhere in 2008.
wargaming.net announced "World of Warplanes" at E3 just a few weeks ago.
It makes sense for companies to diversify their product portfolio once they have managed to established their first title (and this always implies using revenue from the flagship product to finance the development of unrelated games).
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Felix Godfrey
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
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To avoid an overly long post, I'll just have to agree with the other players here... The pricing of these vanity items just doesn't make sense and this coming a perfectly able customer.
I learnt the hard way to invest time and money for gaming for the fun. No more, no less.
CCP are you suggesting me that your 'assorted internetz cloth1ng' is worth more than, say, a copy of this?
I am perplexed.
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 22/06/2011 16:13:28 The part I find most astounding is that there are plenty of other working models for microtransactions in other games. Had CCP benchmarked against even one of those they would've avoided all of this bad press and had a defensible position for the few who would've complained anyway.
Microtransactions are successful because of their micro nature. Players don't hesitate to drop $2 here, $8 there because they are small amounts. Couple that with the 100% margin associated with a virtual good and you have a great supplemental revenue stream.
This system is nowhere near the spirit of the proven model. You dun goofed.
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dgastuffz
Caldari Hell's Revenge
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:12:00 -
[1047]
BS
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:18:00 -
[1048]
So how long can CCP ignore the elephant in the room? Someone should setup bets! --
Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Gallinari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:21:00 -
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I love everything about the expansion but I cant get over the Aurum prices...
XBL avatar items - few bucks a piece PSN Home Items - few bucks a piece a Tshirt from H&M or Aeropostale or AE- 20 bucks
Tshirt for your digital character in Eve- 20 bucks
Somethings wrong.
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Chidori kun
Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:21:00 -
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My guess there has been a order from the top. Do not reply in the forums about the shop and AURUM. If you do we walk you out of the building after you hit "post reply"
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