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J'J'J'Jita
Ch'Ch'Ch'Chia Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:23:00 -
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Whole lotta tears in this thread over items a bunch of whiners said they wouldn't buy anyway. Guess it turns out people wanted these items, huh? Pony up some isk for your indestructible vanity items, kiddos.
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Sasio Shihari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:24:00 -
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After my initial anger faded, I got to thinking about how there could be such a ludicrous disconnect between the way micro-transactions work (bulk sales of inexpensive perks) and the bewilderingly overpriced items in the NEX. But I think I understand it now. It's a misunderstanding on the definition of the term "vanity item".
When I used to play DDO, I bought my character the $3 green mohawk.. I thought it was cute and liked to see it on the character when I ran around dungeons. Silly, I know, but it was bought for me to see, rather than to impress anybody else. That is the common understanding of 'micro-transaction vanity item'...
When CCP said "vanity items" what they meant was BLING.
Pointless, often absurd displays of wealth for no reason other than to inform the world that you have money to burn. Items purposefully aimed at the top 10% of earners.
While it does bug me that CCP would spend thousands of dollars and quite a bit of time creating items aimed for such a small number of players, it does make sense from a certain point of view.
And honestly, at these prices, it would be fine to bring back the NEX Scorpion, as a 1 trillion isk battleship would have virtually no impact on the ship or minerals market, since nobody would ever buy one.
But that could be the point I think. Way back when there was talk of customizable skins, CCP said they had concerns about the image of Eve, how New Eden would look if everyone was flying around in puke-green Drakes. These exorbitant prices would winnow down the number of painted ships to a few hundred at most, so the time honoured look of Eve won't be threatened.
It is an odd logic, to put so much effort into items designed not to be used by the bulk of the player base...
Does make you wonder though, if it's all about Bling, how long before stripped down CONCORD and Jovian ships hit the NEX. There's no market to compete with, and it's all about looks, after all...
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Cpt Arareb
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Arareb on 22/06/2011 16:29:40 Edited by: Cpt Arareb on 22/06/2011 16:28:41 when I saw the prices I gigle a litle, then I was like :yeaaa righ ...my ass... CCP for me at least dont waste ur precious dev time modeling new "second live" like crap ..lol..I mean ...CCp did u ever heard talking about milking? ...I mean ..really ..is just like an terrible cheap and stupid joke...pleeaase I was waiting this for any of other dying MMO¦s out there that trying to survive... and then the Mighty CCP drop this bomb? ...is this april fools?... you better at least try to be a litle more realistic, u might actualy get more money that way...this is like...I want to laugh and at the same time bang my head against the wall of rage for your incredible boldness of just try to insert this crap u made and WITH THESE PRICES? are u MAD CCP??...omg!.. BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME |
Nguyen VanPhuoc
Minmatar Moustache Twirling Space Cads Auctorita Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:31:00 -
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Quality trolling by CCP :D ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
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Brannoncyll
The Rip Tide
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:38:00 -
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I despise bling in RL, I equally despise it in game. I suspect my Aurum wallet will never peak above zero.
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Dalteis
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dalteis on 22/06/2011 16:40:10 Ya know I won't say it but, I made a post a few days ago and one of my reason's for leaving eve was CCP's Greed coming to bare and everyone LOLed/QQed me .....Now who's Laughing.
Also side bet 20mil isk says this gets moved or closed.
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cecil b d'milf
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 -
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un f*** ing believable, in what universe would someone with more than 1 braincell think this would actually fly ?
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Elar Kurath
Caldari Gun Runners
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Smithington
I love how CCP justifies the prices of the vanity items with RP arguements, but doesn't stop to consider that the cloning facilities will activate a clone with a 1 million isk contract and then give you a ONE BILLION isk monacle free of charge.
What does this say for Dust 514? CCP has already stated that gear purchased with AUR will be superior. Is the $150 superlaser going to be refunded every time the buyer gets killed?
This quote is just pure brilliance. I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
I am not opposed to micro transactions, but whoever made this decision should get out of their cubicle and interact with real people for a while. CCP seriously has no clue what they are doing, and then trying to justify it with RP reasons is even more hilarious.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Whole lotta tears in this thread over items a bunch of whiners said they wouldn't buy anyway. Guess it turns out people wanted these items, huh? Pony up some isk for your indestructible vanity items, kiddos.
Still missing the point and after 30 some odd pages. Has this line of reasoning come down from BizDev? Sure to seem to be a lot of fanboys waving this around.
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DeAdspAwN
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:50:00 -
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They must have some freaking fantastic drugs in iceland.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/06/2011 16:57:52
Originally by: Tippia à and to put that perceived worth into perspective, compare the $15-average NeX prices to, say, these skin/dress/pet/emote/service prices.
Pet: $6.00 Weapon skin: $7.00 (compare ship paintjob) Whole clothes set: $5.00 Sunglasses pack: $3.50 Full character remake: $7.00 (compare bloodline change)
These feel more like "normal" prices. Not just one skirt for $15.00; a whole clothes set (shirt, pants, shoes, jacket) would be like $60.00, which is slightly .. "overpriced".
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:57:00 -
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I remember playing with it on Sisi and thinking - the selection here is tiny, I'm sure they'll release a ton of things on the market when Incarna launches.
Unfortunately what was released wasn't even the selection they had on Sisi!!! Why must you continually disappoint CCP???????
Now - I'm reserving judgement to see what they do over the next few months. If they start to introduce more products, and then lower the current stock prices - this will be a good plan. An artificial (realistic) market. The eventual goal being that we can hopefully start manufacturing these goods ourselves, and setting up shops and boutiques on the stations that people can purchase these items.
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Webster Carr
Gallente Old Freelancers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:58:00 -
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I'll put my .02ISK in with everyone else. AUR prices for items are WAY too high.
Items like these in other games with vanity items go for $1 to 2$ per item max. The AUR prices for items need to be 1/4 to 1/10 of what they are now to match that and make purchases even marginally feasible.
Put another way, current low PLEX price in Essence is $385MIL. So using in game logic, you just bought a 385MIL ISK dress shirt.... (Of course even at 1/10th price that's 38.5 MIL, so you can either buy a dress shirt or a BattleCruiser...)
Bottom line: CCP needs to lower the prices to about 1/10th of what they are currently if they want this experiment to work.
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Tarantoga
Konstrukteure der Zukunft The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:05:00 -
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Well, no one can deny that this prices are ridiculous. But it makes sense in the big picture.
Today is the first day after release of Incarna. Remember the costs of T3 cruisers during the first few weeks after they got introduced? I think it took 3-4 months until they dropped to reasonable prices.
On the other hand: What would happen if CCP had introduced adequately priced NeX-items (Let¦s say $1-2 per item)? Everybody and his dog would buy plex with plex prices skyrocketing to 500 mio. during the first week. I assume the current price of 400 mio. is so high because a lot of people stockpiled plexes to sell them expensive.
Let the morons buy their monocles for 12.000 Aur during the next days. I think a lot of ISK from RTM will gurgle down this sink. No one gets hurt because there is no benefit in buying vanity items and the prices can be adjusted as soon as more items are added to the NeX-Store.
But yes, CCPs communication skills are really poor and I don¦t feel very comfortable with the introduction of a new currency. I ¦m not sure if the good old auto-adjusting market mechanisms will work in this case.
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Old WiseMan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:07:00 -
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I've got to say that the feel on this thread is absolutely on the money; CCP have completely lost the plot. I sincerely hope that the decimal point is in the wrong place due to a coding error and these items are actually 1/10 of the price they are showing.
If not: - 1) I won't ever be increasing my aurum account to more than zero and, 2) Gotta wonder whether I want to keep playing a game where the only aim of the developer is to shamelessly money grab.
CCP - disappointing.
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Havegun Willtravel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:18:00 -
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I must admit the more i think about this debacle the more i want to lol.
An interwebs t-shirt that's more expensive than the one's i buy in RL. A pixel monocle that cost more than my last pair of real glasses.
I'm terrified to think what they want to charge for Good stuff in the future that people will really want. Angel Cartel or Gurista's shirts will involve a kidney sale, black leather jackets for a cornea.
Waiting patiently for the CCP fail thread of " Oops we missed 2 zero's. it was a bug. sorry " LOL
Never have so few failed so many, so hard. Never cease to underwhelm us Dev's.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:21:00 -
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This whole thing is classic... Fools raging (about pixels!) over how shadows look in their AVATAR faces in quarters, while (I'd bet anything) those same losers are buying PLEX to get a monocle and shirt!!
I having more fun laughing at people on the forums today than I did playing for 10 mins last night!!
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Sprawdzacz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 -
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I got oculars and I can't use them! This is a real fail :/
Buying and trying to wear ocular <== how to use this?!
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 -
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This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
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Caleb Defiance
Caldari BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:25:00 -
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Prices won't drop by market value. CCP have fixed prices on these. They decide the price.
I have played this game over 5 years and i almost never *****ed about CCP. I think they are doing an awesome job with all the cutting edge work in MMO world.
The potential for Incarna is huge, but i agree...for 5 years of work en looking at the video's they posted about Carbon, i wonder where it is. My toon sticks his hands through his coat when he is sitting down for example.
but still. Dust comming in and being tied into EVE...never done before..awesome.
the thing that strikes me most is what the OP started with. OMG what a prices for these items. Who is going to pay a month of playtime for a piece of clothing.
With all the respect i have for CCP and the work they do....this is a cheap shot i think. Normally i don't go with the trolls...but this time i agree with all the comments about the money grab that CCP is displaying.
I hope they will change these prices or a lot of people will not only never buy something from the store...people will leave because the heart of CCP has changed into a money grabbing wolf.
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TMaxximus
Psychotic Disorders Dangerous By Design
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:27:00 -
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thinking of selling all my worldly possessions so that i can buy a virtual shop in the station when they open that part up...
a licence to print money i feel!!!!
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Kara Kaprica
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:28:00 -
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This is ridiculously funny.Other games that have vanity items (That other people can see mind, so you can actually BE Vane, not just look at your monitor and go, "sweet") Have them at the price of a few ú's, for multiple items. Take LOTRO or STO. Both have lots of vanity items in their respective shops. and the prices, are literally, 20 times cheaper than NEX.
CCP, Wake up before your next concurent user record is 0 players on a sunday night. People are getting robbed enough in the real world, we dont need robbing by you, are you trying to pay off the debt of Iceland via EVE?
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Dokk Alfar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:28:00 -
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As someone who has purchased every pet possible in other games and always buys the collectors edition game package to get the extra in-game goodies, I have to say CCP you need a new marketing team stat!
Overpriced, under developed, and unimpressive in-game swag is not the way to keep your user base happy or involved. Your marketing team is targeting people like me to spend who spend their disposable cash in the virtual playgrounds they enjoy. This time I am sorry to say that your team missed the mark well and truly.
Unless the prices come in line with common sense and good corporate citizenship you won't be seeing my $$$'s spent on any Eve vanity items and by the looks of it you won't be seeing a lot of your user base's RL cash.
You stuffed it up guys and gals...fix it before those loyal to you start looking around for another sandbox to play in...perhaps one that knows how to spend its development dollars in the right place and doesn't try to rip off their loyal customers.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 -
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**** you hilmar, **** you with a chainsaw.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 -
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This thread is for page 1 and nothing else! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st |
Ione Hawke
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:42:00 -
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Seriously CCP, mayhaps you should have approached this slightly more carefull. If you'd just started stocking the NEX with modest priced items (100-500 AU perhaps) and then finally added some over the top priced no-one would have notice and/or cared and the same idiots would that buy those monocles now, would have bought those items then. On top of those highend sales you would have 50% of the player base buying cheap stuff for a few Aurum without a thought : *win*. Thats the point of micro transactions, the price is so low no-one even considers it.
(why does this need to be explained?)
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Joni Festus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 -
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i usually come on here and tell people to stop whining...but in this case this is absolutely rediculous. The price suggests that in the eve universe a t-shirt is worth the same amount as say a tier 1 navy battleship...if thats the case then im suprised half the people in eve have clothes at all. maybe thats why when you get podded you are naked...
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Iko Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:49:00 -
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I can safely say that I will never buy anything in the NEX ever for these exorbitant prices they are trying to go for. All other games most vanity items are between one to eight dollars. $68 for a monocle is ludicrous!
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 18:01:13
Originally by: Jim Luc I remember playing with it on Sisi and thinking - the selection here is tiny, I'm sure they'll release a ton of things on the market when Incarna launches.
Unfortunately what was released wasn't even the selection they had on Sisi!!! Why must you continually disappoint CCP???????
browse the "Apparel" section on the regular market for a sneak peak of things to come
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boseo
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:27:00 -
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last night I was angry, today I'm disappointed, tomorrow will probably find it laughable, and a few days later god knows.
Strongly reminded of this (its for lols btw)
youtube link
Just replace mum/god with ccp, and son with players.
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