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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:17:00 -
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Didn't Iceland have the most widespread banking failure? Maybe a friendly loan was reviewed by regulators.... or maybe in more typical fashion of charity to disasters they decided to bail out Iceland all on their own.
I heard on NPR that it was almost impossible to get US dollars there - they have them under lock and key. So the more hard currency flowing that way....
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Triest
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:17:00 -
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Yes, it's pretty obvious that the Incarna content is all side-development work from World of Darkness/Dust engine projects. This way they subsidize the cost of the new games through EVE revenue and also, as a bonus, get playtesting out of it.
For what it's worth, it's not like EVE has actually had any new content in two years of expansions. Apocrypha, in March 2009, added T3 ships and wormholes. Since then we've had:
Dominion, in December '09, which screwed up sov mechanics to the point that a horrible system somehow became even more grindy. They added missions and improved the IGB.
Tyrannis, in May 2010, which added planetary interactions. Hooray, you can mine planets. And a new Scorpion model.
Incursions, in November 2010, which added incursions. More noteworthy than the last two, but still just NPCs to kill or ignore. Added the Sansha supercarrier, which somehow manages to be worse than the Hel.
Incarna, in June 2011, which adds a less convenient station room and a cash bar.
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Gonadicus Skrachicus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:18:00 -
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The Vultures are circeling your Not yet cold carcus there Andrev.. LOL
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Tribunia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth I wouldn't think that CCP would actually allow themselves to be purchased, but stranger things have happened.
I m under the impression that the final say in such matters lie with the share holders/financial muscle. If such a move would imply, or mean more money for the company in the future, trying to obstruct such a deal would be a really bad thing for the founder/owner.
I do know little about this in general tho so I m probably worng.
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:27:00 -
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It is interesting that I am not the only person feeling this way. I mean the company seems to have dropped the ideal of producing a quality product & has instead moved onto just getting whatever they can out of the game before it all goes toes up! (Yeah it's always been one version or another of Beta really)
How can anyone justify charging $60US (close enough to)for an eye implant? I understand that the prices would of needed to be looked at, BUT there would of been a general idea of just how much it was going to work out to be seeing as CCP sells GTC's/PLEX.
I am not sure just how stable the CCP company is when it comes to just how much they owe & are making, but I have heard that ICELAND is in a bit of trouble. Surely CCP aren't trying to solve the whole countries money issues with their game!
Seriously though with the game in it's current state I would of thought the top priorities would of been dealing with issues that are already in the game (BUGS), dealing with the current RMT problem (it's not like no-one knows who is doing what now), Working on the LAG, Balancing the RISK v REWARD issues that make it better to live in highsec than to live in LowSec or 0.0, Balancing out the current Capital ship imbalances (SC's have issues with FB's being just a little too powerful & when used in blobs of 30 & 40+ there is nothing in the game that lasts for more than a couple of minutes maximum, & when you combine that with a lack of counters to them it makes for a very unpleasant playing experience)
I know from where I stand I have felt that CCP lost something at around the same time the sov mechanics were changed, & ever since the game has gone backwards in many ways. Since that time I have seen nearly everyone I meet when I first started playing 5+ years ago leave the game & not return & just about every one of them said they were feed up with paying for a game that is just not up to scratch.
Now with this patch I have seen & heard of at least a few dozen players that are calling it a day for EVE, so I need to wonder just what needs to happen before something breaks & causes changes for the better?
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:30:00 -
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Hmm you have a good point with them being purchased.
(X) Price gouging (CCP Designer Clothes Line) (X) Buggy (X) Screwing over community ($99 license fee that almost went through for free services such as evemon, etc) ( ) Instal malware/spyware/rootkits/virus onto clients computer without knowledge. ( ) Horrible customer service, and general screw you to customers.
It's safe to say they wern't bought out by Sony. They only got 3 out of 5.
Originally by: Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jak Silverheart
( ) Instal malware/spyware/rootkits/virus onto clients computer without knowledge.
I run Peerblock on my pc and for some reason I've been getting odd connection requests to other IPs when I visit this forum. One in particular is to Archer Communications.
Why? _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Nehaj
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 -
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Heh, it does feel almost surreal. So many newbish, obvious mistakes in such a short time. Almost as if they are trying to drive the people away.
The thing that got me thinking this way, during the AT tournament, when CCP Hammer joined the guys in the studio. He is the first and till ATIX the only CCP employee whose 'name'/forum personality for some reason stuck in my mind (and I joined in 2003, but only played on and off). Since I am by no means a hardcore player, I could easily be wrong, but I thought he was someone really important, like say Garmon or Shadoo among the developers, so I was curious to hear what he had to say.
But he seemed so sheepish, disinterested, almost like a terminally ill patient. On some 3 month 'forced' vacation, first one ever, playing World of Tanks ... said very little, could not even properly answer what his job at CCP was anymore. Stayed kinda briefly, I don't think he even said goodbye.
It's probably just me ... I have never seen the guy on TV before. It could be that he was ****ed because the dragged him into the studio when he was on vacation, or he knew the tournament was fixed, or some such. Perhaps because all the other CCP guests (I have not seen the entirety of the tournament, but did at least a half of it) were so unremarkable, and offered very little/no insight & controversy in matters regarding the tournament itself, that I had unrealistic hope he was going to be different...
Anyhow, I agree with the OP. Maybe CCP just made a ton of stupid but honest mistakes, and they are reacting and clumsily, but to me, a clueless observer from the fringes, it seems like (/tinfoil hat on) sabotage.
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Frodrich Adoudel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Andrev Nox I half wonder if there's something financial going on we don't know about. Some bad debt or poor investment choice that is biting CCP in the ass right now, that they have to monetize quickly to keep the lights on.....
This is exactly what is happening, and it is a direct result of the massive infusion that the PLEX sales generated early on, and now that there are a gazillion PLEXes stockpiled, CCP needs to make them "go away" so that players start paying again.
CCP's current spending is unsustainable at their current subscription and PLEX income levels. Just count the number of employees, the average pay for those employees in the countries they work in, the cost of maintaining servers, and that well exceeds an entire years worth of PLEXes for 300k accounts.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:24:00 -
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CCP gutted and wrecked white wolf, they wanted wod, they got it and now what was once one of the largest roleplaying game companies is gone, barely making pdfs any longer.
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Oranen
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:33:00 -
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CCP appears to be trying to be all things to all EVE subscribers. Instead they should have said a few years ago that this is a space game and a space game only. I don't even know if CCP knows where they are headed with the whole walking in stations deal - but hey we have it now.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 22/06/2011 07:57:59
Originally by: Nehaj
they are reacting and clumsily, but to me, a clueless observer from the fringes, it seems like (/tinfoil hat on) sabotage.
No sabotage. It's the plan. CCP has been reasonably clear with their intentions and generally they seem to believe the plan is still completable.
* They realised people only subscribe for 7 months. Hence getting too upset about 1% of players who complain about long-bugs or feature difficencies should not be the focus for dev time. Even if this 1% are the hub that keep Eve alive.
* Their economist (Eyjolfur Gudmundsson) was pulled off in-game work and dedicated to running their investments and combatting the GFC. He told them it was a close run thing and they'd need to diversify.
* We need to wrap up all the Eve code so it's reusable. Diversify our product range without re-coding everything. Just skin Eve, but it will need avatars.
* WhiteWolf hassles us daily for a start on their product so all this "corification" and avatars will keep them happy for a few years.
* Looking at market for buyers, laughed at, no micro-transactions, no avatars, only a few hundred k subscribers, lots of dev requirement, tiny return on investment. We have to do more!
* Some genius came up with the idea that DUST would both diversify and add features to the Eve universe. This was the dream solution, they could make Eve bigger without adding code to Eve itself. Genius. This thinking seemed to cover all the bases, it quickly became accepted as dogma.
* "Hey this avatars stuff means we could do microtransactions right?" "Of course." "heh that really was genius!"
* Oh **** we have to re-do Sov for DUST.
* Oh **** we need FactionWar to test Dominion.
* Oh **** we can't run on xBox.
* Oh **** without updates to DUST we have to "complete" Incarna integration first.
* Oh **** all the original Incarna code is garbage, re-do.
* Oh **** all the DUST assets need reworking. (notice I don't say code, it's just a generic shooter, cheap clone, part of the genius)
* Oh **** our players are upset and we need to include some fixes in next patch!
* Damn that didn't seem to placate them.... What now?
It is a bit like one of those "Seconds from Disaster" shows where the oil rig burns down because 20 different things go wrong and someone forgot to close a door.
The plan went to total **** a long time ago. The business dev side of it came up lacking (i.e. xBox/PS3), although the code side of it was the kind of plan that sounds awesome but only needs a few things to change before it becomes a lot of work.
DUST was easy. Integrating it under changing business conditions without killing the golden goose turned out to be impossible.
CCPs mistake was not reacting fast enough to the plan breaking down. Their response was generally to just work harder, try harder to get DUST to market so they can actually free themselves up again.
This all could have been avoided by making some tough choices months ago. It would have ment scrap-heaping a bunch of work but it would have saved the day.
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kari bourza
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 -
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OP is right of course, CCP is trying to become bigger than they can afford, and they think micro-transactions are the miracle solution, guess what CCP it's not, unless you start selling game balance breaking items, in which case all you will have left is a shell of game only populated with bots, they are the only ones that could afford your insane pricing anyway, really sad i liked this company once when it had a unique spirit ...
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sid pr0vid3nce
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Adacia Calla That's exactly how I feel, but you put it in a lot more nicer words. In my other thread I just told CCP to go **** themselves.
lol
and yes, i feel the same. i also feel micro$oft is involved, those eugenics.
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Wolfthree
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfthree on 22/06/2011 12:43:38
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 22/06/2011 08:15:43
CCPs mistake was not reacting fast enough to the plan breaking down. Their response was generally to just work harder, try harder to get DUST to market so they can actually free themselves up again.
This all could have been avoided by making some tough choices months ago. It would have meant scrap-heaping a bunch of work but it would have saved the day.
I have to give you props for this idea. It makes a lot of sense, most of their developers are probably split between PS3 and PC programming. Before they had all the time in the world to focus on EVE, listen to the fan base, make the improvements the fan base wanted. When that merger came around they not only had to train these new developers in the way everything works together, but these guys in essence work on a totally different style of game play. Makes you wonder if they handed EVE over to White Wolf while they are working on DUST 514.
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San Severina
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 -
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Well said OP.
Pretty much what I'm thinking. i know why i came to EvE, a small niche company in Iceland with a vision & determination to deliver an uncompromising game for serious, mature gamers.
A game with problems & bugs, balance issues, neglected content etc.. But a game with integrity, that was, despite it's problems still good enough for my $15 per.
A community that i was proud to be apart of, multi faceted, intelligent, at times scary in it's dedication to this sandbox & dominion over it, or part of it!
I never hesitated to tell people that I played this game, I was proud to be a member of the EvE community, until today.
Today I feel like the last online game I'll probably ever play has crossed a line it will never be able to un-cross, integrity has been lost.
I'm pretty sure I know the cause, & I feel sorry for those at CCP who still have the faith because this must be heartbreaking to witness.
Really, it's quite amazing that the game has lasted this long in the world of MMO's & again I feel affronted & insulted by the forces of big business & greed that is destroying everything worth anything in this World.
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Signal11th
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:48:00 -
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I'd imagine that have used Icelandic economic indexes for the prices of the Noble store, I think in Iceland it probably would cost you 60 dollars for a monocle and 30 dollars for a shirt. I think the last time I went there it cost me over 20 quid for a bloody pizza.
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Marlow Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT they sold out when they got in bed with nVidia and sony.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:51:00 -
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Probs to the OP for posting a nice well thought out piece. Words my sentiments almost exactly.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus It is a bit like one of those "Seconds from Disaster" shows where the oil rig burns down because 20 different things go wrong and someone forgot to close a door.
Well at least that won't happen to me, I seem to be staring at a closed door all the time now. _
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:55:00 -
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Completely sold? doesn't appear so but they have been selling steadily selling shares to increase capitol, Article about CCP selling shares.
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Bologna Brains
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:14:00 -
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I would rather pay $30-$40 for a solid expansion than have microtransactions in game.
CCP has gotten greedy and EVE is suffering for it.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank Completely sold? doesn't appear so but they have been selling steadily selling shares to increase capitol, Article about CCP selling shares.
from that article
Already working on a new game at full speed and has been able to use cash generated from EVE-Online order. EVE-Online has been the company's main product, but this new game is intended to underpin the company's operations
So milk eve to do other stuff ? thats how i understand it
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Andrev Nox Because if it's not something like that - I feel like CCP got taken over by a different company.
Getting enough money to expand into both the USA (merging with WhiteWolf, team that works on World of Darkenss) and China (the team that works on DUST) gets you saddled with investors that want to get their money back and then some as soon as possible. Obviously, this will lead to some... ahem... problems. We are now living with the fallout of those problems. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:25:00 -
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A lil while a lil while a lil while a lil while a lil while a lil while a lil while
HABIT
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 22/06/2011 14:35:16 Well we showed them, that we will eat anything they throw at us in the past. Hell we did. Even I did. We loved them. CCP was our hero, the one authentic and passionate gaming company in a sea of heartless corporate sharks. We did not allways agree with them, but we accepted their passion and best intent. They prefered a hard word to a lie.
For me that changed with the balant "double-think" of "unsubbed-Training" aka "Ghost-Training".
I did not rage because they wanted more money,
I raged because they lied about the fact that "unsubbed training" was an once advertised feature and even tried to rewrite history by silently pulling the webcontent that proved it.
If they had told me, ever so softly, that they wanted more money and removed "unsubbed training" for that reason. I would not have been happy but neither been angry.
Just so we remember, at the same time they removed the 30 and 90 day GTCs and by that raised the GTC subscription fees by a major percentage.
From that point on there have been less and less facts and truth in CCPs communication and more and more Spin.
Right now, the only Blogs I read without suspicion are the tech-blogs...
Now CCP tries to justify the Aurum-Prices with arguments like this: We imagine that this pixel item is expensive to produce in our imaginary world, therefor it is justified that you pay more real-life cash for it, than for its real life counterpart.
This creates the impression that CCP thinks about us, its customers as mindless drones or drooling idiots.
Oops Bitter Vet detected.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: San Severina
Pretty much what I'm thinking. i know why i came to EvE, a small niche company in Iceland with a vision & determination to deliver an uncompromising game for serious, mature gamers.
A game with problems & bugs, balance issues, neglected content etc.. But a game with integrity, that was, despite it's problems still good enough for my $15 per.
A community that i was proud to be apart of, multi faceted, intelligent, at times scary in it's dedication to this sandbox & dominion over it, or part of it!
Originally by: Talsha Talamar
Well we showed them, that we will eat anything they throw at us in the past. Hell we did. Even I did. We loved them. CCP was our hero, the one authentic and passionate gaming company in a sea of heartless corporate sharks. We did not allways agree with them, but we accepted their passion and best intent. They prefered a hard word to a lie. I still want to believe in them, contrary to all facts.
Well said both. It was great! CCP were just amazing!
...I'm guilty of ignoring facts like many of us, we all have smarter friends who told us it was all going nowhere, and most times we didn't believe them.
Originally by: Akita T
Getting enough money to expand into both the USA (merging with WhiteWolf, team that works on World of Darkenss) and China (the team that works on DUST) gets you saddled with investors that want to get their money back and then some as soon as possible. Obviously, this will lead to some... ahem... problems. We are now living with the fallout of those problems.
The person I feel for most in that is Hilmar. If he's not caught up in their own hype then he must be right in the middle of a bunch of broke investors screaming for the game to be suicided.
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Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 -
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No matter how much I'm trying to resist, I'm having much the same feeling as the OP. CCP is definately not the CCP I came to know and love anymore. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:43:00 -
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I know we're all looking for excuses. If you look deep into yourself and reflect on the past two years though you will find the truth: they screwed up and they did it all by themselves. --
Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Dr Djago
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:49:00 -
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Good trend
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