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Smabs
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:14:00 -
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Quote:Also tons of people use Beams, look up Bhacs and how we slaughter Drakes in them. But post this amazing drake fit first.
Ncdot uses beam zealots in very specific fleets. You don't really see them being used elsewhere as far as I know. Definitely not in gangs of 25 or less. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:08:00 -
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Quote:The "25 or less" scale is hardly where a Drake shine.
Actually that's not really true. Before tier 3 battlecruisers the drake was the choice of really good small gang players like PODLA or TL. A lot of those guys have heaps of skillpoints but they chose to fly drakes over other ships. The drake is still moderately effective in smaller gangs, but tier 3's are better because you can kill things faster and are much more mobile.
Even now having some drakes, a few scimis and a few recons is still a pretty decent roaming gang and better than a lot of other options. It won't be after the nerf. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:10:00 -
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To be honest I don't really know what your point is.
Anyway, the PODLA guys did way more than most pilots would have been capable of in exactly the same ship. Also more often than not PODLA would go out only with a few drakes and no recons for support. There was very often no 'layering of support'. With really small gangs you also need to move about grids, to different parts of a system and between systems. You also need to have a sense of when a blob is incoming. That's kind of why I really hate it when people say 'gun ships are more skilled' or 'drakes are for test/goon nubs'. They're really not. I have actually flown with PODLA by the way.
Brick is a bit of a strange case as far as alliances go. I wouldn't use us as an example of anything.
The fall of the old NC might have had a lot to do with the removal of targets. Although I think with TEST, the cfc and providence there are targets again.
Anyway, back on topic, smaller gangs are incredibly reliant on DPS, range and mobility. Which is why I think a 20% damage reduction is a killing blow for drakes in small gangs. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:23:00 -
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To be honest small gang roamers have avoided BWF for a long time now and I don't really blame them for it.
Later on (2010 and 2011) PODLA mostly operated in nullsec without snakes or range rigs. I don't know if you've flown with really small gangs like that? It's an incredibly casual environment for the most part. Anyway, those tiny organisations have always picked out spots where they can get lots of kills, usually in an entry system to null. They'll check out if there's an engageable gatecamp and will go for it if there is. Or if there's nothing they'll jump in, maybe hassle the locals and see what pops out of the station/jumpbridge.
I think the NC and the invasion of providence was a special case where people were so bad that gangs of 10 could take on 50.
As far as brick goes we went for geminate in January on the idea that we'd grief all those alliances to death by being as annoying as possible. It worked. We actually have nowhere near the actual fleet capabilities of nulli, BL or Gypsy and we have been literally broke for four years (as in people were paying for sbu's out of their own wallets). |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:30:00 -
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Quote:I think you misunderstand the real strength of the PODLA drake. While it does all the things you say, the real advantage of the PODLA drake over ships of a similar stripe was the dual webs that were commonplace. You could fit a decent tank, have good speed, fair dps at very long ranges, and with the dual webs you could **** over all but a moderately sized group of tacklers because of the dual webs plus the missiles that never miss.
Yeah that was the thing. Before tier 3's, drakes had amazing damage projection, especially compared to the autocane which was pretty much a plague back then. The webs took care of its weakness, which was frigates and the links put the point range really far out. In other words it was a ship that filled pretty much every role by itself. |
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