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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:06:00 -
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Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
NeoTheo
M'8'S
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:10:00 -
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gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:10:00 -
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 Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
lol
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Bernie Janksoff
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:19:00 -
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Actually Class Action Lawsuits do nothing but make lawyers rich.
They do nothing for the consumer but make them feel good and fuzzy.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:19:00 -
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Four Words: End User License Agreement
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Yoruichi kun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
Time to talk to Microsoft i would say remember EVE online DX9 game ;)
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware. Good luck with your court case, I hope you have enough for the legal fees of both sides.
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Call Me Death
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:22:00 -
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Can you stop posting please and making threads.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bernie Janksoff
Actually Class Action Lawsuits do nothing but make lawyers rich.
They do nothing for the consumer but make them feel good and fuzzy.
That' s like saying all surgery does is make the surgeon rich. The immediate effects are not always realized once a class action suit is won, but it does provide benefit for the prevention of said abuse in the future...and ultimately that is what it's all about. Preventing the abuse from whatever business entity from happening again.
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
Software doesn't cause hardware failure. Hardware and poor drivers cause hardware failure.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 -
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Well, to be fair, they're not INTENTIONALLY damaging your hardware.
That's just the side-effect of running your hardware at 100% of capacity with inadequate cooling for that particular usage profile.
How exactly would you get anything out of that ?
HOWEVER
Confirming that Crysis 2 gets better FPS compared to the EVE CQ environment at maxed-out graphics settings for both.
Which is kind of laughable.
Welcome to some time ago - what to do so CQ isn't universally hated.
CQ is sort of nice, I guess. But lack of options, mandatory nature = INSTAHATE
You guys never listen early enough nor make noise strong enough when it matters.
Guess what, even the "(do not) load station environment" is supposed to be TEMPORARY only.
Quick recap, in case CCP insists on keeping CQ the default environment :
* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently
* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all
* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ
* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Reloadin
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:24:00 -
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Im going to sue you for wasting my valuable time reading this thread.
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Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ay Liz on 22/06/2011 14:26:46
Actually it would be the manufacturers fault for installing a cooling solution which didn't manage to cool the product under full load. This seems to be a problem these days, especially with notebook manufacturers.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware. Good luck with your court case, I hope you have enough for the legal fees of both sides.
you clearly have no idea that your response should have something to do with what you decided to mark as a quotation....
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 22/06/2011 14:27:24
Originally by: Akita T
Well, to be fair, they're not INTENTIONALLY damaging your hardware.
That's just the side-effect of running your hardware at 100% of capacity with inadequate cooling for that particular usage profile.
How exactly would you get anything out of that ?
HOWEVER
Confirming that Crysis 2 gets better FPS compared to the EVE CQ environment at maxed-out graphics settings for both.
Which is kind of laughable.
Welcome to some time ago - what to do so CQ isn't universally hated.
CQ is sort of nice, I guess. But lack of options, mandatory nature = INSTAHATE
You guys never listen early enough nor make noise strong enough when it matters.
Guess what, even the "(do not) load station environment" is supposed to be TEMPORARY only.
Quick recap, in case CCP insists on keeping CQ the default environment :
* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently
* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all
* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ
* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu
A single player game vs an MMO that is constantly evolving (Surprisingly enough, CQ came out YESTERDAY). Great comparison, rofl.
Originally by: Ris Dnalor
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware. Good luck with your court case, I hope you have enough for the legal fees of both sides.
you clearly have no idea that your response should have something to do with what you decided to mark as a quotation....
The response is to the PERSON, not the post.
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Signal11th
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Signal11th on 22/06/2011 14:27:10
Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
Software doesn't cause hardware failure. Hardware and poor drivers cause hardware failure.
Are drivers not classed as software then?
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware. Good luck with your court case, I hope you have enough for the legal fees of both sides.
You take in your car to a mechanic..he works on it. He made the negligent mistake of putting antifreeze in your engine instead of oil. Your car dies and you go back to complain.
The manager comes out and says: you clearly know nothing about the way our mechanics interact with your car.
Same difference. I don't need to know. All I know is:
1. hardware is fine before Incarna
2. hardware is broke after Incarna
3. When all other possibilities of what broke hardware are eliminated that leaves...INCARNA.
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ay Liz
Actually it would be the manufacturers fault for installing cooling solutions which didn't manage to cool the product under full load. This seems to be a problem these days, especially with notebook manufacturers.
Dont you know thinner and lighters always means better
Anyway, I find it carzy that I can run Battlefield Badcompany 2 better then the CQ and Badcompany looks better. Oh and dont forget Crysis 2
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Syn Fatelyng
Galactic Eden Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Fatelyng on 22/06/2011 14:35:09
This is not CCP's fault.
This is not about having an "inferior" rig.
This is, very simply, about having an unstable computer. Here is what I mean by that: You buy a CPU that has 3GHz of processing power and test it out on your everyday activities. Firefox, notepad, pidgin, and perhaps a movie or two. Typically, your CPU won't ever use the 3GHz because none of those everyday programs are that CPU intensive. The problem comes from hardware that is stated to run at a certain level but when it does, that hardware either becomes too hot or creates a myriad of problems.
That is what is happening here. Your hardware is now being used to the full, labeled, potential. Maybe damage was caused because the hardware didn't include a proper cooling solution by default. Maybe you didn't clean and maintain the hardware so that it could remain cool. The point is: It is not CCP's fault that your hardware, that was made by someone else, failed when using the full specifications of that hardware.
They are not forcing your 3.0GHz CPU to suddenly run at 5.0GHz.
You are blaming the wrong people.
Edit: Let's reuse your example. Quote:
You take in your car to a mechanic..he works on it. He made the negligent mistake of putting antifreeze in your engine instead of oil. Your car dies and you go back to complain.
That is inaccurate, I feel. This should put things into a better line of sight for you: Quote:
You take in your car to a mechanic because you complain about the tires. They're losing traction, so you have to drive slowly. He fixes your tires. You start driving faster and when you break, you suddenly wear out your breakpads and find yourself unable to stop.
Does that make sense? He fixed an unrelated issue that indirectly allowed you to drive faster. By driving faster, it triggered an already existing weak spot in the car. The breakpads.
The fact that the breakpads gave out because you drove faster due to having new tires it not the fault of the mechanic.
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NeoTheo
M'8'S
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
No your system is designed so that people have to put "caution product is hot" on a cup of f**kin coffee because someone sued a coffe shop and claimed its the coffee shops fault that the coffee was hot.
protecting the customer is cool; rewarding stupid people is not.
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Frio Rinah
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
A single player game vs an MMO that is constantly evolving (Surprisingly enough, CQ came out YESTERDAY). Great comparison, rofl.
Rather, a single player game with mediocre graphics. (Why people think Crysis 2 is suitable for stress tests is beyond me - ******s will be always be ******ed I guess)...
Anyway - OP also seems to have forgotten (already?!) the rather large incident of the same nature in the larger game Starcraft 2. Some people got the not so bright idea to bring this up, and those same not so bright people left disappointed.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 22/06/2011 14:30:17
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Harcosi
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware. Good luck with your court case, I hope you have enough for the legal fees of both sides.
You take in your car to a mechanic..he works on it. He made the negligent mistake of putting antifreeze in your engine instead of oil. Your car dies and you go back to complain.
The manager comes out and says: you clearly know nothing about the way our mechanics interact with your car.
Same difference. I don't need to know. All I know is:
1. hardware is fine before Incarna
2. hardware is broke after Incarna
3. When all other possibilities of what broke hardware are eliminated that leaves...INCARNA.
Did CPP take your videocard out and change the cooling on it? Did they fill it with dust? Did they overclock it?
You may have the worst analogies I have read in a very long time.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:30:00 -
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I installed Incarna and all I got was these two lousy BSOD's then my CPU melted.
Seriosuly though, I had to UNDERCLOCK my goddamn computer to get EVE running stable again.
I'd really like to know why CCP have given me the choice between shilling out hundreds on watercooling or having my RAM run at half speed (1066mhz is stable and I am not a happy panda >_<)
****in barbie online should not cook stock systems to death. I'm not overclocking and I keep my system clean, I shouldn't be worrying about my core i7 hitting goddamn 80deg C during a silly online game.
...oh wait
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 14:33:14
Quote:
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way software interacts with hardware.
This.
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Signal11th
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
This is not CCP's fault.
This is not about having an "inferior" rig.
This is, very simply, about having an unstable computer. Here is what I mean by that: You buy a CPU that has 3GHz of processing power and test it out on your everyday activities. Firefox, notepad, pidgin, and perhaps a movie or two. Typically, your CPU won't ever use the 3GHz because none of those everyday programs are that CPU intensive. The problem comes from hardware that is stated to run at a certain level but when it does, that hardware either becomes too hot or creates a myriad of problems.
That is what is happening here. Your hardware is now being used to the full, labeled, potential. Maybe damage was caused because the hardware didn't include a proper cooling solution by default. Maybe you didn't clean and maintain the hardware so that it could remain cool. The point is: It is not CCP's fault that your hardware, that was made by someone else, failed when using the full specifications of that hardware.
They are not forcing your 3.0GHz CPU to suddenly run at 5.0GHz.
You are blaming the wrong people.
It's not really about having an unstable rig either.
My "rig" so to speaks plays Incarna perfectly fine as with all the other games I play the one thing I have noticed is...
I have a surge protection device attached to my computer which when the power supply drops or increases in output makes an audible click. Usually this would happen once or twice an hour depending if I'm hammering the graphics card for an extended period.
When I now play Incarna the audible clicking sound now appears 2 or 3 times every "minute".
No my machine still plays this fine with no problems but according to the power supply Incarna is causing my PSU to go crazy probably from an increase in GPU needs.
When I can play ARMA2 BFBC2 pretty much on full settings with no problem but my psu goes crazy loading the CQ it tells me there's seems to be an undue amount of stress on my rig due to this piece of software.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I installed Incarna and all I got was these two lousy BSOD's then my CPU melted.
Seriosuly though, I had to UNDERCLOCK my goddamn computer to get EVE running stable again.
I'd really like to know why CCP have given me the choice between shilling out hundreds on watercooling or having my RAM run at half speed (1066mhz is stable and I am not a happy panda >_<)
****in barbie online should not cook stock systems to death. I'm not overclocking and I keep my system clean, I shouldn't be worrying about my core i7 hitting goddamn 80deg C during a silly online game.
80c is still safe but...
Are you using stock fan? Blame Intel, stock fan sucks.
Is the heatsink seated properly?
Is the thermal paste applied properly, including a proper ammount?
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
This is not CCP's fault.
This is not about having an "inferior" rig.
This is, very simply, about having an unstable computer. Here is what I mean by that: You buy a CPU that has 3GHz of processing power and test it out on your everyday activities. Firefox, notepad, pidgin, and perhaps a movie or two. Typically, your CPU won't ever use the 3GHz because none of those everyday programs are that CPU intensive. The problem comes from hardware that is stated to run at a certain level but when it does, that hardware either becomes too hot or creates a myriad of problems.
That is what is happening here. Your hardware is now being used to the full, labeled, potential. Maybe damage was caused because the hardware didn't include a proper cooling solution by default. Maybe you didn't clean and maintain the hardware so that it could remain cool. The point is: It is not CCP's fault that your hardware, that was made by someone else, failed when using the full specifications of that hardware.
They are not forcing your 3.0GHz CPU to suddenly run at 5.0GHz.
You are blaming the wrong people.
I have a 4 core core CPU set up. I tax it constantly with 3D renderings and video conversions. I use Maxwell Render which really maxes out your cores....yet I've never had an issue in the years of mass rendering with my rig.
Again, your argument is akin to the car mechanic saying: it's not my maintenance that damaged your car, it's just that you have an inferior car.
Originally by: NeoTheo
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
No your system is designed so that people have to put "caution product is hot" on a cup of f**kin coffee because someone sued a coffe shop and claimed its the coffee shops fault that the coffee was hot.
protecting the customer is cool; rewarding stupid people is not.
I agree, our system is prone to abuse (the hot coffee label is a great example) but I 'd rather have that no protection mechanism in place at all.
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Syn Fatelyng
Galactic Eden Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Signal11th
When I can play ARMA2 BFBC2 pretty much on full settings with no problem but my psu goes crazy loading the CQ it tells me there's seems to be an undue amount of stress on my rig due to this piece of software.
But that's the problem. It's a lack of direction.
Let's say your power supply is specced to run at 700W. Normally, it only goes to 530W. However, this 3D intensive EVE update forces your GPU and CPU to work at their top-rated levels (using 3GHz on a 3GHz CPU instead of 2GHz). This in turn causes you to draw more power and you hit 680. Suddenly, your computer blacks out.
Why? Your powersupply couldn't handle the power draw that it was listed as, or you didn't clean out the power supply to handle additional heat.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Signal11th
but my psu goes crazy loading the CQ it tells me there's seems to be an undue amount of stress on my rig due to this piece of software.
What does that even mean? Your GPU and CPU can only hit 100% load. Your computer should be able to handle 100% all the time. If it can't then you indeed do have an unstable computer.
But... I know you will argue with me and everyone else that tries to say anything opposed to your viewpoint.
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