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Kiyl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Butch Loufoque
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 15:01:56 So... 350$ and you can sort of barely play EVE
Laptops with integrated gpus wont play EVE and as a general rule you should always avoid AMD mobile cpus, yes those laptops you found are really cheap but they wont play EVE.
I play with an Inspiron 1594 with integrated graphics, I can get everything on high, and it *looks* smooth, not necessarily 60fps, but its alright.
However, I did cook my laptop with Incarna : / Same issue the OP has.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 15:31:10
Originally by: Butch Loufoque The netbook wont be able to play EVE due to the single core processor, the other one just might play it at 10 fps but I dont count that as playable.
I have an i5-760, passmark CPU rating 4559. In space, at well over 200 FPS, my single-client overall CPU usage in EVE is at around 30% tops.
The C-50 gets a passmark CPU rating of 453. That's 10 times slower, granted. However, he should be able to run EVE at up to 60 FPS before he gets CPU-bottlenecked even by that "slow" dual-core CPU. Whether or not the integrated GPU can make it go that high, that's a different story.
The C-30 gets a passmark CPU rating of 231. He shouls STILL be able to get up to 30 FPS out of that without maxing out his CPU. Again, whether the GPU part can handle that, no idea.
Either way, he will be using it near its peak potential, and he MIGHT get some heat issues. However, those are designed with energy efficiency in mind, so it might just handle even full load. Then again, it might not handle it for too long. _
Let me repeat what I said earlier...
Speaking of what can you roughly expect from a 350$ laptop with a C-50 APU (or any other machine with a C-50 on it) : Crysis on a C-50 laptop. Crysis 2 is DX9.0c/SM3, just like EVE. The APU supports DX11/SM5.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 15:30:27 How much do you have to spend? If you have around $800+ then I'd go with a Sager laptop. For the price you get a really good set of hardware. Considering they sell "gaming" laptops their cooling should not be complete crap by laptop standards.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 22/06/2011 15:18:20 Its probably worthwhile to exclude all ATI cards if Eve is your main gaming addiction. Never used to matter that much but with Incarna it does as CCP are offloading physics calculations to the gpu while you're in CQ.
I have an nVidia video card, yet with CQ off CPUs = 20%, with CQ on CPUs = 90%
I don't see that I'm afraid. This is basically the original Alienware M17x I have (Q9000 cpu, dual GTX280M, raid0 hard drives). Its two years old now and running single client without CQ gives about 11% cpu usage. Loading CQ gives around 36% cpu usage. Remember I'm using one NVidia card simply for graphics and the other for PhysX stuff.
Are you sure that Nvidia control panel has PhysX configuration set right? If its set to auto then chances are that if you have a single card and a multicore cpu then the NVidia driver will select cpu, not gpu.
HTH.
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Butch Loufoque
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Speaking of what can you roughly expect from a 350$ laptop with a C-50 APU (or any other machine with a C-50 on it) : Crysis on a C-50 laptop. Crysis 2 is DX9.0c/SM3, just like EVE. The APU supports DX11/SM5.
You cant say it can play EVE just because it plays crysis on the lowest settings, I could play the crysis beta on a 10 year old machine simply because Crysis does play well at crap pcs and not to mention that crysis beta could be run with a resolution of 640 x 480. That said, the C-50 is bending over in that vid you linked, you can clearly see that it goes lower than 15-20 fps which is where you begin to see the fps lag.
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Calisto Thellere
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Calisto Thellere on 22/06/2011 15:35:56 Try this one from a well known retailer in the UK - Linkage
Not as cheap as i thought but it's decent and will probably serve you well for a good while.
dual core 2.3GHz athlon 4GB DDR3 mem 15.6 screen - 1366x768 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
ú380.
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Bill Loney
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:39:00 -
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That acer inspire is ok but AMD in a laptop hmmm, i have been intel since AMD used to have major heat problems (6 or so years ago) so i dont know if they have resolved any of that yet but clock for clock, AMD wins i think the equivalent is like a 1.7ghz amd is the same as a 2.2ghz intel cpu or there abouts but intel win with temps and stability. So OP is faced with another choice lol, short term go for AMD as they are better clock for clock & price but dont count on it lasting long. i woudnt suggest going much lower than that if u want smooth gameplay, but its been a long time since i have been down in them hertz so try and find someone who has the lowest ghz dual core with any 9800GT? or higher that can run eve smoothly. my cpu is 4.5 so that counts me out
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Butch Loufoque You cant say it can play EVE just because it plays crysis on the lowest settings
Actually, I can. If it can play crysis on the lowest settings, it can play "space-EVE" in the lowest settings at similar FPS.
Quote: That said, the C-50 is bending over in that vid you linked, you can clearly see that it goes lower than 15-20 fps which is where you begin to see the fps lag.
And that's what the OP said is the minimum he needs, with emphasis on cheapest possible machine. Unless he changes his mind, that remains my recommendation, the cheapest machine that still does the bare minimum he says he needs. _
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 22/06/2011 15:43:28 Edited by: Othran on 22/06/2011 15:42:26
Originally by: Calisto Thellere Edited by: Calisto Thellere on 22/06/2011 15:35:56 Try this one from a well known retailer in the UK - Linkage
Not as cheap as i thought but it's decent and will probably serve you well for a good while.
dual core 2.3GHz athlon 4GB DDR3 mem 15.6 screen - 1366x768 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
ú380.
Radeon HD 4250 mobility is junk I'm afraid.
The model numbers of mobile gfx cards are very very misleading. For example my wife's lappie has dual HD5870 mobility cards. Sounds impressive mmm?
The real-world performance of those cards in crossfire mode is about the same as a desktop Radeon 4870. That's fine for a 1920x1080 lappie but its not what you'd expect given the model numbers.
NVidia is, if anything more disingenuous than AMD in the mobile market
Edit - also this might just be me but I can't play on Othran with less than 1000 vertical "lines" of resolution. My lappie is 1440x900 and its not enough for Eve - or for some RTS games either. 900 vertical "lines" is fine for alts, just not for main. YMMV.
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Butch Loufoque
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Butch Loufoque You cant say it can play EVE just because it plays crysis on the lowest settings
Actually, I can. If it can play crysis on the lowest settings, it can play "space-EVE" in the lowest settings at similar FPS.
Quote: That said, the C-50 is bending over in that vid you linked, you can clearly see that it goes lower than 15-20 fps which is where you begin to see the fps lag.
And that's what the OP said is the minimum he needs, with emphasis on cheapest possible machine. Unless he changes his mind, that remains my recommendation, the cheapest machine that still does the bare minimum he says he needs.
As I said earlier yes it can play it but it wont play it without lagging and even though the OP wants the very cheapest machine he can get his hands on I doubt he wants a laptop where he lag in small size fleet battles.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:45:00 -
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Sooner or later every laptop has heating issues. Even if you have to wait for the fan to start dying. Don't even get me started on how difficult it is to replace one of those. Greetings and salutations all who reside here. May your flames be warm and your trolls tasty. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:55:00 -
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Dear OP,
If you're looking for a laptop that will scale well and play Eve with the current generation then I strongly suggest you look into a laptop with an Intel Sandy Bridge chip. That will be an i3-i7 with numbers that start at 2XXX and go up from there. The reasons being are for this: SB chips have built-in graphics which rival discrete graphics for a good price. Plus, SB is very fast and has current-generation instruction sets which will carry you for the next few years at least. It's a good investment in future-proofing and I strongly advise you get one of those.
Just remember, when you look to buy, make sure that it features an Intel HD 2000 or Intel HD 3000 graphics "processor" or an additional on-board discrete chip that isn't an integrated faux. An i3 will carry you for years, and you'll be happy with your purchase.
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: So'rren
Originally by: The Tzar Fellow EVE pilots,
Following a recent update (which shall remain nameless) my laptop is now a crispy non-functioning version of what it once was. Assuming the usual level of petitioning with virtual items I am very unlikely to see any reimbursement from our benefactors.
I myself have great difficulty working out all the specifications associated with computers but know that a great many of you are (or seem to be) incredibly knowledgeable about such things.
What I need from you fine people is the cheapest laptop you can find that will run the latest version of EVE-Online; specifically a laptop with GPU that supports shader model 3.0
Looking at the threads on this forum, I'm sure I'm not the only one who now finds themselves unable to play this game I've put nearly 5 years of subs and time into.
For this effort on my behalf, to the character that finds the best deal that can play 'new-eve' I will contract a fully fitted and rigged HAC upon my successful return to the game.
Good luck and thank you
Tzar
Call a lawyer?
Read the EULA you agreed to for years. Good luck silly American.
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Captain Hurrdurr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:57:00 -
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If you do not care about an "open box", then I highly suggest you go here.
For 646.99+ the 15 shipping, you'd be able to play the majority of the modern games, including EvE (not exactly on the highest settings) It has a triple core, and a decently sized harddrive for the price. The graphics card is not one of the higher 5 series cards in the bunch, however I have a low end 6 series, and run EvE beautifully.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 22/06/2011 15:59:03
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera Sooner or later every laptop has heating issues. Even if you have to wait for the fan to start dying. Don't even get me started on how difficult it is to replace one of those.
I have a 4 year onsite warranty. I have NO expectations that the lappie will be alive at the end of that period
Oh and yeah lappies with decent gfx cards are hot, noisy and the heatsinks collect dust like you wouldn't believe.
I used to smoke so this isn't an "all smokers are evil" comment, bothers me not a jot being in a smoky room - after 20+ years of smoking second-hand smoke is not going to hurt me However the tar in cigarettes + high performance lappies is REALLY a bad combination - I don't know what to say to those of you who smoke and play at the same time except that you should expect problems within 3-6 months. Cleaning it is usually impossible unless you strip it down - as comparison I normally blast some compressed air through mine once a month and that keeps it quieter.
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 -
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http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
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Aruchamet
Quantum Pathways
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aruchamet on 22/06/2011 16:01:04
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera Sooner or later every laptop has heating issues. Even if you have to wait for the fan to start dying. Don't even get me started on how difficult it is to replace one of those.
So tru, its the battery more than anything that gives off the heat, us pc users dont have that extra heat issue. but the best one i have seen so far is the one from Calisto Thellere but if u are going to get a laptop and an AMD one at that then please keep checking the temps and turn off if needed but cost wise on a laptop i dont think you get a better deal coming from the uk. Sit the laptop on ice packs or something lol
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aeveen http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
Please dont get an alienware.
I'd seriously got for an ASUS or Sager.
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Aeveen on 22/06/2011 16:06:43
Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: Aeveen http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
Please dont get an alienware.
I'd seriously got for an ASUS or Sager.
Enjoy it when it's dead in 1 year with no warranty mate. To many people run off trying to tell others to build there own systems. They then give them crap advice and there systems run like crap. Unless your offering to help him build it piece by piece i suggest you give him real advice and not that of a 12 year old going zomg this is so much better wtfbbq.
Alienware is one of the best gaming laptops on the market period. No other LAPTOP systems have matched it cooling. This is on top of a 3 year warranty should you get something faulty.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aruchamet So tru and my point exactly, its the battery more than anything that gives off the heat,
This is complete BS.
If you power the lappie on battery then one of two things will happen :
1) The "discrete" gfx cards will be powered down and onboard gfx will be used (Nvidia way usually);
2) The clock on the gfx card gets throttled back to about 30% of what it would be when connected to mains. This is usually what happens with ATI/AMD cards and an Intel i5/i7 cpu as AMDs mobile drivers don't like integrated Intel gfx.
The main source of heat is the gfx cards. Nothing else.
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Aruchamet
Quantum Pathways
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aruchamet on 22/06/2011 16:15:06
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Aruchamet So tru and my point exactly, its the battery more than anything that gives off the heat,
This is complete BS.
If you power the lappie on battery then one of two things will happen :
1) The "discrete" gfx cards will be powered down and onboard gfx will be used (Nvidia way usually);
2) The clock on the gfx card gets throttled back to about 30% of what it would be when connected to mains. This is usually what happens with ATI/AMD cards and an Intel i5/i7 cpu as AMDs mobile drivers don't like integrated Intel gfx.
The main source of heat is the gfx cards. Nothing else.
So the battery does not give out any heat what so ever, i guess it doesnt give off any heat when its plugged into the mains and the power regulates through the battery ?, either way.... heat is a killer
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:19:00 -
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Been gaming with my laptop for 5 years now, only thing you need is a cooling pad (and ac power), if you're not running with a decent cooling pad, you're doing it wrong.
Got this one at compusa 5 years ago and the thing keeps my laptop very cool while gaming. Don't know why this particular one is semi-discontinued, it works better than any other one on the market really.
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The Tzar
Quam Singulari Session Changes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aeveen http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
I have had a look at Alienware laptops in the past, is the 11" screen not too small for pvp? |
MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:22:00 -
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http://search.laptopsdirect.co.uk/gaming-laptops/page.asp
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MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 -
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11" is tiny! Have you tried Ebay for 2nd hand ones?
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aruchamet i guess it doesnt give off any heat when its plugged into the mains and the power regulates through the battery ?
OK you don't have a clue :) "Regulates through the battery" - LOL what planet are you on?
For anyone else wondering about heat in gaming lappies then basically it goes like this :
1) Graphics card - max power per PCIe slot on lappies is 75W. Figure on the card using that because in most cases now it'll be close;
2) CPU - probably about 35W max for modern(ish) ones. Do make SURE its a mobile cpu, desktop ones commonly get used when a new cpu comes out - eg i5/i7 lappies were being sold by various UK gaming sites a full 5 months before Intel released the mobile versions. A desktop cpu in the lappie will probably triple the power consumption;
3) Memory - density/clock speed means it just runs hot, and in a lappie its probably not that well ventilated;
4) Hard drives/SSDs. I always find SSDs run a bit hotter than magnetic drives but plan for 10W peak per drive.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aeveen Edited by: Aeveen on 22/06/2011 16:06:43
Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: Aeveen http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
Please dont get an alienware.
I'd seriously got for an ASUS or Sager.
Enjoy it when it's dead in 1 year with no warranty mate. To many people run off trying to tell others to build there own systems. They then give them crap advice and there systems run like crap. Unless your offering to help him build it piece by piece i suggest you give him real advice and not that of a 12 year old going zomg this is so much better wtfbbq.
Alienware is one of the best gaming laptops on the market period. No other LAPTOP systems have matched it cooling. This is on top of a 3 year warranty should you get something faulty.
WTF are you talking about. He wants a laptop. I strongly suggest a Sager. As a matter of fact, Sager use to sell laptops to Alienware before they were bought by Dell. Sagers are very good laptops, have a 3 year warranty. For what you pay you get good hardware.
For $850
15.6" HD+ LED-Backlit Display with Matte Finished Surface (1600 x 900) i5-2520M Processor ( 3MB L3 Cache, 2.50GHz) 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 X 2GB 320GB 7200rpm SATA 300 Hard Drive
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 -
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THIS LAPTOP IS AMAZING FOR THE PRICE.
It's a special offer, so you need to grab this pretty much ASAP. $450 nets you a Sandy Bridge i3 with Intel HD 3000 graphics, 640 GB hard drive and 4 GB memory. It even looks very nice, and Gateway isn't too bad.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Tzar
Originally by: Aeveen http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx
To be honest if you MUST have a laptop please get an Alienware. It's one of the very few laptop systems on the market that actually provided adequate cooling for gaming. It also has a nice warranty that covers overclocking.
I have had a look at Alienware laptops in the past, is the 11" screen not too small for pvp?
Yes. Its the vertical resolution that you need - I reckon I need 1000 "lines" so a res of 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 is what you should look for IMHO. Look at the 17" range, they are basically desktop replacements. Quite heavy but very capable.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn Please dont get an alienware.
Why? I have two and while they are grossly overpriced they come with a 3 year next-day onsite warranty and ARE solidly built.
What's more you do NOT deal with Dell support within the EU - you deal with a different support group. I've used them too when a fan went dodgy. Guy said can you email me some temperature readings on the card when you're playing and when you're not. No script at all other than identifying the machine and you. I emailed, he replied about an hour later and said that the engineer is coming out tomorrow and would you like morning or afternoon. He even offered to do it at my place of work if I wished.
Expensive yes. Too expensive - probably. Will it last? Yes. Will it play Eve for insanely extended periods? Yes.
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