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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:17:00 -
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For those that missed the editor's post in the unedited full version of the pdf:
"However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you."
The sale pitch internally is.. "EVE has to subsidize the costs of the other games otherwise we can't pay your salary, trusted developer."
I'm a realist but let's face it. MT is just a vehicle to fund development of other titles.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:28:00 -
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They are.. they just want you to pay for development for it with MT.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:58:00 -
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someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 -
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the irony of course is that who would want the isk if we're leaving also lol.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:11:00 -
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can I have 2b if they never respond?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:00:00 -
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Riverini,
I don't know you and I have only recently become aware of your site which I quite enjoy. I think that thanks are in order for your reporting of this and disclosure of the document. Also, thanks to whoever sent this to you for opening this to the community.
I know you have your critics, but I, sir, am not one of them.
E
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:18:00 -
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Buddy of mine just suggested the Plex for CCP stock campaign! Let the playerbase buy the company using plex. Think of the metagaming possibilities!
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Delta Jax
Originally by: Erichan Buddy of mine just suggested the Plex for CCP stock campaign! Let the playerbase buy the company using plex. Think of the metagaming possibilities!
I second this, but be advised, stockholders like to see bigger returns, MT would technically be a win for them, but losing repeat customers due to fail business plans and ceo vision would result in a lot of forced "Executive" resignations...
Serious internet spaceships business just got real ccp, there is no win/win here for your customers here, just you killing the golden goose.
You need to do some major staff "restructuring" as there is a serious disconnect between you and your customers.. if i worked there I would be worried of long term job stability
The point would be they could raise money for WOD and we'd get more of a say in how ccp operates. Though based on what I am seeing it may be too late...
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:31:41 Does anyone know why Failheap is still down? EDIT : spelling
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:37:04
Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:31:41 Does anyone know why Failheap is still down? EDIT : spelling
http://i.imgur.com/5xJhp.png
this was posted on there, then it went down ????????????
Yeah I was keeping this thread and that one going at the same time. I read it over there. If I'm not mistaken, I had trouble accessing it at least one other time as well for about 10 minutes.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:41:00 -
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The danger for CCP is that it will be all to easy to dismiss un-subbing because in reality noone quit anything. After unsubbing on my accounts, I realize i have 75 days till it runs out. Are they counting on this dying down in a few weeks and my weak will to not come back to eve-crack?
I fear it wont really mean anything till its a hit on active accounts.. not subs.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:55:00 -
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over 100k+
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kali Doom Edited by: Kali Doom on 23/06/2011 20:07:17 So, who is Bartholomeus Crane???
Yeah, who is this guy? Right after he posts, Failheap goes offline. Odd.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 20:22:22 Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 20:21:39
Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
This made my day :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
lololol so funny and not far from the truth
Wut is it :) synopsis please! I have no video bandwidth lol
PS: for those tired of pushing F5, get the "RELOAD EVERY" add-in for firefox *g*
It is an overused ****** drama scene with lots of yelling and a humour subtext on how Eve is about money and the blues failed to dupe the players.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:26:00 -
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Oh we were given an official response.. to contain our rage to this thread only instead of spawning multiples.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tass Kevel Just use `Hilmar` to replace that word they wont let you say.
I'm as upset as anyone, but noone deserves that discourtesy.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:36:21 Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:35:30 Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:35:09 CCP Soundwave had time to comment on the ccp cardgames but not here...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1497648&page=2
having trouble with link but copies fine to browser tab
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:42:36
Originally by: Miilla
I guess when we interview an Ex CCP employee we strike them off the hire list. Untrustable.
I have to believe based on a variety of comments that there are a lot of good CCP folks. The document itself is disingenious but I think the employees of CCP are largely not responsible for what is happening. It is the leaders that need to respond, not the rank and file. My opinion.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:36:21 Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:35:30 Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 20:35:09 CCP Soundwave had time to comment on the ccp cardgames but not here...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1497648&page=2
having trouble with link but copies fine to browser tab
Check the timestamp on that post man, it was like a week ago.
also learn how to post links properly
My apologies to CCP Soundwave for not checking. As to links, I won't be on these forums long enough for that bit of training to matter I suppose. That depends on the sincereity and rapidity of a response from CCP. Stay tuned I suppose.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alaura Aquila
Originally by: Heimdallofasgard Edited by: Heimdallofasgard on 23/06/2011 20:50:51 Anyone else see this today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T1SZKab7F8&feature=related
just sayin...
Why is it a Trinity trailer?
He was saying it was the "good old days", gone forever.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Shandir
Originally by: Cyber Duck Linkage
Quote: Breaking News! - Radical changes to EVE Online character development allow you to train characters faster and get into action from the day one!
That`s probably referring to the Learning Skills change.
I think so. It's not really relevant anyway, new characters have been getting a training boost for quite some time now. They haven't started selling training speed yet.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Miilla
I think we need a new signiture for everybody.
"FREE HELICITY"
QFT.
What does QFT mean?
quoted for truth and welcome back.. how was your ingame experience?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 21:32:51 The CSM may have been voted on by 14% but that doesn't mean they aren't looking out for the rest of us. I am fairly certain based on the comments here and on Failheap that the CSM was either forbidden to comment via NDA or never exposed to the majority of this nightmare.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 21:43:07 Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 21:42:21
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Originally by: Erichan Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 21:32:51 The CSM may have been voted on by 14% but that doesn't mean they aren't looking out for the rest of us. I am fairly certain based on the comments here and on Failheap that the CSM was either forbidden to comment via NDA or never exposed to the majority of this nightmare.
I think you are correct. I am sure the CSM (if aware) warned CCP this might generate something of a reaction.
Seleene specifically says she and the rest of the CSM were not shown any of this before hand in her blog. (don't have link but will get and edit it in).
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com//
"One thing I want to be crystal clear on though - the CSM was NOT asked or consulted on any of the prices in the Noble Exchange store. We asked and were told that they were not finalized. We floated a few thoughts at the summit, heads nodded a bit and that was the end of it. So wherever this marketing scheme came from, the CSM did not play a part in it (even tho we wanted to). As CSM Chairman Mittani just said on Twitter:
"NeX is insane. My Lowe costs less than a monocle and fires ****-bullets in WoT. They didn't ask for price advice. Oops!"
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 21:49:27
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Erichan Seleene specifically says she
Seleene is a d00d...
Fine. HE.
The fact is being a CSM delegate is a delicate balancing act. In exchange for advanced knowledge on some things, you can be bound to silence on a broad range of things. Based on the little I know of the current and previous CSMs, I can't believe a single one of them would sign up for this.
*waits for numerous responses of historical proofs with a sense of impending doom*
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 22:00:41
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Fighter26 WHERE ARE THE MISSING PAGES 2 AND 3?
There's an unedited doc somewhere in the thread..
http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:26:00 -
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yeah there is no more doubt that its real, just what to do about it...
People seem to fall into a few camps:
1)don't care--carry on 2)unsub but waiting to see what CCP says 3)those unsubbed waiting to microwave their toons 4)the silent many who have already left
I'm in camp 2 atm :/
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:37:00 -
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Is anyone else outraged by the hypocracy and blatant abandonment of direct engagement with the players? I honestly could care less about MT. MT will exist(in their own words its about how they implement it).
What was obvious though was that they intend to go a LOT farther than they said they would in the same document they espoused a commitment to transparency.
"It is easy to make decisions without debate, but CCP espouses transparency and unity û two values integral to the recent Economic and Microtransaction Summit held in Reykjavik, which focused on the viability of the virtual goods sales model in all our games."
Where is the transparency and unity in lying to us about the future of MT and the unity of working it out with the player base in a direct and open way? If the issue is money, then lets talk money (several threads already going on this).
Isn't CCP "making decisions without debate"? Or at least debate without all the facts on the table?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 22:42:50
Originally by: RC Denton Since this is the thread they say they're monitoring for this stuff I'll post my $.02.
If microtransactions are constrained to vanity items that don't have a significant impact on game play, then I really don't care. I'm not being forced to pay real $$$ on top of the subscription fee to stay competitive. If, however, they start selling performance and progression impacting items (+6 implants or whatever) which must be bought with real $$$ and can't be bought with ISK then I will probably stop playing the game, and I've been playing since 2006.
Being able to purchase everything with isk levels the playing field. If I want to spend $$$ to get the spiffy new whatchamacallit then I can do so, but I'm not gated from getting it if I don't. It will just take longer to make the isk in game.
their loopwhole in what you say is that you can use isk to buy plex that you convert to aurum to buy the enhancement and therefore [think monty python wood to duck analogy] you buy stuff with isk means they feel off the hook.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Token Afrodude Edited by: Token Afrodude on 23/06/2011 22:57:57
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Illwill Bill That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.
for anyone too young to have been there when Trinity came out.
WATCH THIS
really makes you wonder wtf happened
I wasn't there but I think the graphics engine got a big upgrade which you can see in some of the videos where they show the old ship transitioned to the new ship. Did I get that right vets?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 23:09:25
Everytime I open my character WALLET in Eve now, I just get confirmation of the stupid decisions CCP makes.
FFS what idiot thinks putting the balance on the RIGHT side is a good idea?
My market window covers the damn balance now. (PS: you can keep the "highlighted" AUR balance on the right though because it always says ZERO)
I think there is a proposal to put Aurum on the opposite of the wallet from isk.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eladaris
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot Something makes me doubt the average Joe at CCP buys into this, much interaction as some have with the community. Hence the leak out of self-interest. I don't think they are oblivious to the fact this agenda essentially puts the gun in EVE's mouth and pulls the trigger.
I think we've heard more than once or twice or twenty times that the rate of pay in Iceland... well... isn't all that grand. We've heard that if you aren't native, you aren't getting a great deal of fast promotions. If you've moved to that rock, your job options are probably pretty damn small. You likely NEED the game to succeed to be successful, but that's more a matter of profit margins and membership numbers, and less what no more than 10% percent of the player base think (forum-goers).
And if you started playing Eve after the T20 fiasco, your sole opportunities for Eve gameplay are likely mining, hi-sec mission running, and doing a bit of exploration. You're pretty much directly forbidden from participating in any of the true eve game play... including scamming, market manipulation, or the rest. We've seen direct proof of that back when the CCP folks chimed into the forums with what they do in-game (IE - not much).
Considering all of that...
Why would the average Joe at CCP really care? It's a poorly paid job where he's probably ignored most of the time anyway, and, not to white knight CCP... but he's probably looked at the forum's a time or three and seen the foaming masses here, and just totally tuned out of the game entirely.
I am not voting for John T to be President of CCP or anything, but it demontstrates that at least some of the staff feel that this isn't the right direction. I just don' think they have any more voice than we do right now :(.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:27:00 -
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Aren't we a bit beyond Mods at this point? This is basically so fundamental we're looking for a Hilmer response, aren't we?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:36:00 -
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Can someone link the better tweets?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
-Heli
gawd YES. Is this Ms. Hulkageddon?
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 23:58:58 oh sweet irony...
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
"So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way."
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:18:00 -
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UGH I didnt make the connection between the learning points being able to be distributed for refunds and the whole MT thing. So you trade plex for a finite amount of sps to spend? EEEK. That they had that in development and just accelerated that for the issue of the downtime means this has been planned for a long time.
/faceplam how did I miss it.
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