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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:35:00 -
[2251]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein The cards are on the table, I don't think there is any meaningful response CCP could come up with other than doing a 180¦ turn on their strategical direction (and that won't happen).
CCP has tried to fund three games with the revenue of one game - when this proved to be impossible they had to gamble on changing their single cash cow's business model in order to extract more revenue. That's not fearless, it is desperate.
I guess there exist funding agreements with VCs and banks concerning DUST and WoD that would make scrapping or significantly delaying either of these projects impossible. And at least in the case of DUST the sunk cost is probably high enough to justify completing this project no matter how successful it can be expected to be on the market.
EVE still has a lot of momentum - even if it bleeds a few thousand accounts per month it will stay alive for a very long time. In any case it will live long enough to provide DUST with gameplay content for the 6-18 months you can expect a console title to last and to finance the bridge to WoD.
The sad reality is that "nobody wants to buy a monocle for 60$" paves the road for more aggressive MT items/services - there's little choice but to vary the product palette (and pricing) until people start to buy and we all know that there are some MT items that would see huge uptake simply due to the pvp nature of the game (even if they might be unpopular on the forums).
A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?
And there is still the "hope" scenario - hope that MTs will see some serious uptake before CCP has to switch to gameplay affecting offers, hope that DUST will be a success and live for many expansions, hope that CCP will be able to retain its talent through the critical next 1-1.5 years, hope that the huge gamble pays off and that CCP will emerge with three successful games.
I suspect that this is the sad reality. I really hope you're off the mark.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:36:00 -
[2252]
Can someone link the better tweets?
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:38:00 -
[2253]
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
They are not forbidden to do everything, as you're insinuating, and furthermore the level of disconnect you assume is way beyond "guy who logs in to run missions every now and then." The level of ignorance required to push the agenda seen in that pdf is something along the lines of "yeah I know about EVE, it's this space mmo thingy." Nobody with even a hint of connectivity with the community at large would suggest subversion of the game with arum.
I'm not insinuating... I remember the CCP replies, and damned few of those posts including exciting Eve moments many people like to tweet / blog / brag about. Besides, how fun can a MMO game be with IA peering over your shoulder? It's possible more of the CCP staff were active null members taking part in OTHER's visions for their corp future... but I'm fairly certain CCP staff are banned from taking any truly active roles inside their own game.
Back on topic tho... There's a massive difference between knowing the direction your company is taking is vile, evil, and doomed to fail... and marching straight into your CEO's office and shaking him by the lapels and telling him he's got his head stuffed up his arse and it's going to cost everyone everything.
I used to work for a major international company that decided one day to stop producing their core product, because newer products were sexier, more profitable, and really... they couldn't get new customers outta their old core product. Where as they could get new customers from the new product. (Same industry, different product). Except the old customers had to find a new provider for the old core product... and didn't feel very charitable to my company any more.
I sat quite glumly at my desk as a manager knowing the writing was on the wall, and several waves of layoffs later when I lost said job I knew when and where the trail started. But that didn't mean I was going to lose my job early to explain why my companies vision was so FUBAR'ed.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey It's a good thing we, the subscribers, have power over CCP's wallet...I ain't buying a thing from the Noble Exchange until it gets down to pennies.
Exactly..we have to let them know that...
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Reban Daras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:41:00 -
[2255]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
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Olokus
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:41:00 -
[2256]
1st point this is a forum alt. Now onto business
If CCP has decided to go down the route detailed in the "legit" article, Then the only way that they will stop is if a significant amount of accounts are cancelled, Those that are just going to ignore/not purchase the micro items/rep etc are still paying a monthly sub for a game that will slowly transform into a SUB/micro transaction service.
I personally would rather not play at all than use micro transactions in a subscription based game.
2 accounts cancelled as of today.
Best of luck to all those remain and hopefully this is fake
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Quartex
Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:42:00 -
[2257]
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Erichan
I wasn't there but I think the graphics engine got a big upgrade which you can see in some of the videos where they show the old ship transitioned to the new ship. Did I get that right vets?
That would be it... no real "new content" (well not much, from what I remember... I only started at the very tail end of Revelations II) ... but they gave us exactly what we had wanted -- LOTS AND LOTS of pretty for our internet spaceships...
I remember logging on back in 2004 to 3 to 11k players and getting excited over passing 20k. I have kept playing because the changes have presented new challenges, some of which weren't annoying (!), all of which forced me and those around me to adapt and evolve our gameplay.
That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth. My son used to play "Club Penguin" when it first came out and he could buy things for his igloo and invite friends to visit and admire his stuff. Now he plays Farmville and asks me for cash to have a better farm than his mates. This is normal human behaviour.
In the age of apps, istores and licensed access to content I completely sympathise with CCP; this is an idea worth exploring but it has the potential to bring a fundamental change to gameplay.
In all the years I have been playing the changes made have been under-pinned by a desire to make the game better but progress has been determined by in game effort. Somehow, microtransactions must be introduced whilst maintaining this gaming style.
The eve community are famed for their whining and ragequits but this is because they care about the product they pay for and believe that deep down CCP "get them". This is the first time I fear that a large section of the community are misunderstood, or perhaps it's just me finally failing to adapt and evolve to Eve 2011?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:43:00 -
[2258]
I've had a few MMO's I've played 5years+. EVE however is closer to ten than to five, and taken a solid lead. I was starting to wonder if it'd actually make the big ten, but as it looks now, I might struggle with even getting nine..
Maybe I'll go back to playing in a band again. Or, even, get a work? Any computer company that has use of a slightly used 32 year old with decent multi-clienting skills? -
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Blade Ripley
Caldari Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:43:00 -
[2259]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
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Helgur
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:45:00 -
[2260]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
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Nemo d'Erewhon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 -
[2261]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
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Royaldo
Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 -
[2262]
Originally by: Quartex
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Erichan
I wasn't there but I think the graphics engine got a big upgrade which you can see in some of the videos where they show the old ship transitioned to the new ship. Did I get that right vets?
That would be it... no real "new content" (well not much, from what I remember... I only started at the very tail end of Revelations II) ... but they gave us exactly what we had wanted -- LOTS AND LOTS of pretty for our internet spaceships...
I remember logging on back in 2004 to 3 to 11k players and getting excited over passing 20k. I have kept playing because the changes have presented new challenges, some of which weren't annoying (!), all of which forced me and those around me to adapt and evolve our gameplay.
That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth. My son used to play "Club Penguin" when it first came out and he could buy things for his igloo and invite friends to visit and admire his stuff. Now he plays Farmville and asks me for cash to have a better farm than his mates. This is normal human behaviour.
In the age of apps, istores and licensed access to content I completely sympathise with CCP; this is an idea worth exploring but it has the potential to bring a fundamental change to gameplay.
In all the years I have been playing the changes made have been under-pinned by a desire to make the game better but progress has been determined by in game effort. Somehow, microtransactions must be introduced whilst maintaining this gaming style.
The eve community are famed for their whining and ragequits but this is because they care about the product they pay for and believe that deep down CCP "get them". This is the first time I fear that a large section of the community are misunderstood, or perhaps it's just me finally failing to adapt and evolve to Eve 2011?
Why do we need MT's again?
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Tachibana Kanade
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 -
[2263]
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Not news, but I might as well make it official
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:47:00 -
[2264]
Originally by: Royaldo Why do we need MT's again?
Someone has to tank the big dragons.
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:48:00 -
[2265]
Gee, 76 pages and not a single CCP response (or am i wrong?)
What do YOU think that means?
For me its either A) It's true and they hope to ignore it, praying it goes away
Or it could be B) It's true and they are right now, at this very moment: trying to concoct some ridiculous "corporate-y" response saying its not true and that they appreciate our dedication to the game.
Appreciate this: CCP can lick my sack.
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Illuminaty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:48:00 -
[2266]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?
The problem is that WoD can flop. Dropping a bird in the hand to chase two in the bush is dumb, because you can end up with neither. Especially if WoD ends up too close to WoW and gets crushed.
The proper call is kill WoD if you have to make a choice and retreat to your fallback position and try again later.
Anyone who ever played EVE ought to know that selling your battle cruiser to buy your first uninsured battleship and then running off to get rich running level 4s is going to end in tears.
Also, you definitely don't undermine your workhorse sci-fi based MMO during the lead-up to something like SWTOR. |
Press TabQuick
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:48:00 -
[2267]
Edited by: Press TabQuick on 23/06/2011 23:50:27 Account cancelled. This is the first time I've closed Eve HQ or EVEMON without intent to open them again at restart. If their planning on charging them real money to have those programs and want me to pay them even more money I don't need to play this game anymore.
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Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:49:00 -
[2268]
Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.
I guess CCP changed their tune?
Old Eve-O Forum Post -
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Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:49:00 -
[2269]
A year ago today, this was posted by CCP:
Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
-Heli
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:50:00 -
[2270]
If CCP didn't anticapte this kind of reaction, they really are out of touch.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:50:00 -
[2271]
Originally by: Amitious Turkey It's a good thing we, the subscribers, have power over CCP's wallet...I ain't buying a thing from the Noble Exchange until it gets down to pennies.
Unfortunately it doesn't require you to buy anything to radically alter the game we all play.
ANYONE buying from there consumes PLEX that would otherwise be used to fund game time. Fewer PLEX available for people to use for actual game time means increased prices or people having to switch from PLEX to paying for their account directly. Or quitting.
Mr douchebag with his monocle just nuked 3 plex from circulation that people would otherwise have used to play the game. |
Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:51:00 -
[2272]
Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 23:52:07
@alticity
Yeah it does.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:52:00 -
[2273]
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Originally by: Royaldo Why do we need MT's again?
Someone has to tank the big dragons.
Personally I'm fine with micro transactions, even MACRO transactions like :monoclegate: are more shocking / dismaying that upsetting. But when the companies possible future vision includes MT + monthly subs, and then adds AUR bullets, ships, faction standings gains, etc... Well that's a whole different ballpark.
I think CCP would be dealing less with the ÇÇP and more with óóp if they added ship paint skins for a buck, or corp logo's on your soon to be violenced and destroyed PvP boats.
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Erichan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:52:00 -
[2274]
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
-Heli
gawd YES. Is this Ms. Hulkageddon?
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:53:00 -
[2275]
Originally by: Miilla
If CCP didn't anticapte this kind of reaction, they really are out of touch.
We are all collateral damage. CCP is expecting to lose some accounts over this. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:53:00 -
[2276]
Originally by: Deamos Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.
I guess CCP changed their tune?
Old Eve-O Forum Post
I remember that indeed...
it's odd how it went from an awesome expansion like apocrypha to the "your game will not be fixed in over 18 months" to "GIVE MA ALL YOUR CASH NAO" in such a short amount of time _________________________________________________
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:54:00 -
[2277]
Originally by: Riflin' Betty Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
He said "we have no plans". He never said "we'll never do it". It's the safe answer, and you should really be smart enough to learn to read between the lines in cases like these.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:54:00 -
[2278]
Multi-million dollar companies don't make new business plans in a day.
It's clear at this point that the leaked internal business plan has been widely rejected by the players and that items in the NEX store are selling like turd sandwiches. But even if CCP decides to completely reverse course, they had planned their future finances based on these new sources of income. That's going to have to change, and however it changes it's going to take CCP time to come up with new ideas to seperate us from our monies.
The most CCP could say right now is "Wow we screwed up, we're gonna do something about it." But CCP doesn't know what that something is yet any more than we do.
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Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:54:00 -
[2279]
Originally by: Erichan
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
-Heli
gawd YES. Is this Ms. Hulkageddon?
Yes.
Don't know how long I have till they shut down this account for posting though. But I really wanted to share that image from FHC.
-Heli
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:56:00 -
[2280]
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Originally by: Erichan
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?
-Heli
gawd YES. Is this Ms. Hulkageddon?
Yes.
Don't know how long I have till they shut down this account for posting though. But I really wanted to share that image from FHC.
-Heli
DM me any links or pictures you want me to post for you. At least, until I'm banned. :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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