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Devils Errand
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:12:00 -
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My family is celebrating CCP's recent strategic move.
They know that it's implementation will mean I'll be spending much more time with them, rather than nuturing bro-love on the internet under the pretense of "playing a game".
A final thought as CCP self conflagurates into oblivion. I'm sure it's in their minds that we're all just ranting and it'll pass. There was a leading website devoted to Audi enthusiasts that was for years self moderated and kept a fevered pace because it served the user, not the dollar. One day Internet Brands, a buyer of websites for profitability bought it up, since it had such a strong user base and was viewed from all over the world. They came in, changed the forum software, and went to a completely different format.
There was ranting and emo, there was posts from The New Management that they had the user's interests in mind. It got worse.
Then one day the user base said, enough. A few went off, started a new forum, and in a span of ONE WEEK, 99.9% of the userbase moved over to the new forum. A website that had a 100k userbase and over a million hits/week went to 100 active users and 3-8 posts a day.
If CCP thinks that nothing can really break the interia of the established userbase, they really should think again. It only takes one viral event to break an internet phenom.
With that I'll wait to see how things fall out. I'll cancel the subscription, as I pay a year at a time. If by the time the renewal is due the crap hasn't been washed away, then I'll be one of the many I expect that will move on to the next best thing in MMO's.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Devils Errand
Then one day the user base said, enough. A few went off, started a new forum, and in a span of ONE WEEK, 99.9% of the userbase moved over to the new forum. A website that had a 100k userbase and over a million hits/week went to 100 active users and 3-8 posts a day.
I'm waiting on a new EVE, ran by a sane company. I think a lot of us are.
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Dante024781
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dante024781 on 24/06/2011 04:39:55
CCP,
I will be frank with you.
"Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?"
The only way I will be reactivating my subscriptions is if the answer to this question is "NO"
I think most of us know that the reason you have not answered, is that the answer is yes. Right now you are trying to figure out a way to tell us that this is happening without losing customers. I will make it easy for you. You can't.
I wish you much luck in your future endeavors. No hard feelings, it is just a game and I have truly enjoyed it.
I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
Welp.
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TedStriker
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:07:00 -
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And Manifest clearly stated that AURUM is here to stay. End of story.
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: TedStriker And Manifest clearly stated that AURUM is here to stay. End of story.
The deal breaker for me will be if they expand it too far. If they act on what was in that newsletter. Aurum for some boots or sunglasses or an incredibly expensive monocle? Sure... For skill points, faction points, ships or ammo? Goodbye CCP.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury This is how it's going to probably go down:
CCP will placate the rioting masses and say MT will only ever be for vanity items. Much spin and weasel-words will be used.
CCP will compartmentalize more things in EVE development so leaks and the like will be less likely to happen. Development of MT for non vanity items will continue, but in near secrecy. To quote CCP manifest: "Arum is here to stay".
CCP will go back to working on their other two games and we will get more weaksauce mini patches that don't really address anything relevant to what the players have been asking for, while the MT machine starts to build momentum.
Next year when DUST is released and does not draw the numbers CCP gambled on, they are going to turn on the MT for game altering items they have been working on all along, even though they said they would not. This could also happen sooner, they are hemorrhaging cash trying to juggle 3 games where only one is laying golden eggs.
This is exactly how it will go, the only difference is this time CCP will go bankrupt as they can't get any new capital. Apparently their discussions with with investors has gone badly and they are desperate.
White Wolf was bought by CCP for next to nothing, due to the WoD franchise being almost dead. CCP are hoping to create a new MMO that will explode to WoW size so they can cash out. That is also what Dust is for, they want to bring in console players and 'integrate' them with EVE. Depending on how many people are left to play EVE depends on whether Dust can succeed or not. Also CCP are extremely short sighted because everyone can see the console fps market is extremely crowded and dominated by COD. To fund these fun projects CCP have bankrupted themselves.
In other words CCP are stupid. Anyone still having any hope CCP won't kill the game is a fool who thinks they're going to get something out of standing up for CCP or just plain fanboy and we know they're as stupid as it gets.
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Sevano Markeen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova
stuff
Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.
Dead horse anyone?
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Bloodpetal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova
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Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.
Dead horse anyone?
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bl3h
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14
Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.
I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: bl3h Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14
Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.
I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked
And, that makes it better ...because?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova
stuff
Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.
Dead horse anyone?
We are now dead cows. Mooo
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:43:00 -
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Maybe we should just ring the investors and say "Hey... CCP management just lost all your money" :-)
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova
stuff
Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.
Dead horse anyone?
We are now dead cows. Mooo
Lol. Don't think this thread should fall off the front page just yet.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Isis Soryu Lol. Don't think this thread should fall off the front page just yet.
I just woke up and this is the most fun eve has been in 3 years. :-)
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
AWWW so we should feel bad for you because YOU GOT CAUGHT IN A MASSIVE BAREFACED LIE ??
cry moar http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:17:00 -
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You telling me, i didn't sleep for nearly 2 days (just a few hours).
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Warg Matar
Minmatar The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:21:00 -
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Make your chief concern formulating a watertight(space vacuume tight?) statement of Aurum bought crap not ever having ingame performance enhancing, or nerfing effects ever. Not not, not in the future. And you might be starting to get somewhere. I don't really think anyone cares about aurum crap being expensive at all. As long as it's just for vanity, as I had thought was intended, it would simply be a matter of "oh cool, this useless crap is cheap, I'll buy it for immersion/boredom/roleplay" against "bah, go away useless crap".
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:31:00 -
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I... I...
CCP. No.
Just no. If these go live, I'm out.
I can't heal stupid
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Klingon Admiral "Creation is so precious, and greed so destructive."
EVE Online: Tyrannis Teaser Summer 2010
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:36:00 -
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OP needs to update the first post to include
Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
please!
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:38:00 -
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Youtube comments on DUST videos look too much like past bad information.
We may have to fix that and update people.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:39:00 -
[2423]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/06/2011 06:45:45
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Then one day the user base said, enough.
For 30 pieces of aurum
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Marcus Vorenius
Instant Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:49:00 -
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cross-posting before the lock/move to EVE Fiction
Quote: Originally by: CCP Pann -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm very surprised to hear that the CCP PR & Communications Director was not involved/consulted on a very sensitive and controversial newsletter. It does not matter if these are personal opinions to get a discussion started, the fact that it's on the table and being discussed proves that it's being considered. The part that really got me going was that you recently nerfed ship fittings, with the intention of charging RL $ for it later (in the newsletter).
If you were not going down this route, who in his right mind would call a NEWSLETTER for GREED IS GOOD and place Gordon Gekko on the frontpage.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Portmanteau Edited by: Portmanteau on 24/06/2011 06:20:28
Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
AWWW so we should feel bad for CCP because THEY GOT CAUGHT IN A MASSIVE BAREFACED LIE ??
cry moar
Again. You missed that word. I feel it is important.
Also bumper cars.
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:56:00 -
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I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...
Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?
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Horace Nancyball
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:56:00 -
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tl;dr
Can someone just summarise why y'alls are getting your panties in a panic about if all you want are internet spaceships and you don't care what colour they are or what you look like? I'm pretty sure that if RMT ever goes beyond "vanity items" it is unlikely to imbalance the null sec game but rather the "pve WoW brigade" so who cares? The EVE universe is big enough to let you avoid the fully rmt officer fitted faction battleships mining for trit.
This happened in EQ2 a year or so ago and I quit on point of principle. Today I'm back there in a very casual capacity and I have to be honest with you guys its impact is minimal at worst. No rmt buff is ever going to imbalance good gameplay. I just want CCP to maintain an open honest approach to future game design as once you lose the trust of the playerbase you will never get it back.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aesynil I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...
Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?
Keep in mind that the person saying in his opinion we should have standings & ammo & such in the MT shop. Is the lead developer/designer of this game. He also states that they're going to have to be sneaky about it because, we the player base, are in effect a bit dim.
Hell even Hilmar doesn't escape. We don't like it because we fear change. Erm... no. We don't like it because your busy driving something some of us have spent 8 years enjoy, doing free PR work for and generally being a community about (we're actually pretty good despite first apperances) is being driven in to the ground for no apparent reason other than "we can".
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aesynil I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...
Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?
You read ALL of it and found nothing offensive about it? I like you, want to be my customer too?
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aesynil I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...
Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?
Originally by: Horace Nancyball tl;dr
Can someone just summarise why y'alls are getting your panties in a panic about if all you want are internet spaceships and you don't care what colour they are or what you look like? I'm pretty sure that if RMT ever goes beyond "vanity items" it is unlikely to imbalance the null sec game but rather the "pve WoW brigade" so who cares? The EVE universe is big enough to let you avoid the fully rmt officer fitted faction battleships mining for trit.
This happened in EQ2 a year or so ago and I quit on point of principle. Today I'm back there in a very casual capacity and I have to be honest with you guys its impact is minimal at worst. No rmt buff is ever going to imbalance good gameplay. I just want CCP to maintain an open honest approach to future game design as once you lose the trust of the playerbase you will never get it back.
Both of you need to re-read this thread and read the Apology thread if you can't understand how this will negatively impact the game. Not only does it create a P2W game, it also completely cuts out the player economy. EQ2 is not EVE, this is a PVP game first and foremost, the minute RL cash directly* adds to your chances of winning the game is ****ed. (*Just for the record I don't like plex either but it was either introduce them or continue to sell them on the forum like days of yore, but at least it is operates completely within the economy)
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