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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 08:42:56
Originally by: Horace Nancyball
Originally by: Isis Soryu Both of you need to re-read this thread and read the Apology thread if you can't understand how this will negatively impact the game. Not only does it create a P2W game, it also completely cuts out the player economy. EQ2 is not EVE, this is a PVP game first and foremost, the minute RL cash directly* adds to your chances of winning the game is ****ed. (*Just for the record I don't like plex either but it was either introduce them or continue to sell them on the forum like days of yore. At least it operates completely within the economy)
All this from a player who seems so against change that he has refused to adopt a new style avatar and presumably therefore isn't even playing the current game? Seriously, I was like you a year or so ago. I honestly believed that rmt would kill the game I was playing. A year on, I don't partake of rmt in any shape or form but would have to admit that the effect is minimal (if that). The scenarios your side of the argument are putting forward....fleet fights being decided by rmt modules is laughable hysteria. If you are in an alliance that gets to that stage, finds themselves outgunned due to rmt (oh no, it could never be possible that the other team are just better than us) and don't have the corp funds available to buy them themselves then you're really just small beer I'm afraid.
I'm sorry but rmt is the way ALL MMOs are going in the 21st century. It won't be a huge revenue stream for the devlopers but it will ease pressure on increasing subs generally for everyone. If you want to adopt the luddite stance and smash the machine for instigating change then go ahead, you will have no effect. This evolution of MMOs is insidious and unstoppable. Stay with it and attempt to influence further change from within or quit and have no affect whatsoever. Jumping up and down, crying and tossing your toys out the pram just makes you look like pre-adolescents unworthy of any attention whatsoever.
Nice ad hominem. I haven't done anything with the CQ or char creator on this account because I can't be bothered. My main has a new avatar, you'll find it in this very thread with the name Isil Rahsen, it's currently out of gametime and I have no plans to resub it or this char. (which isn't subbed either just FYI) If it's so hysterical that RMT mods and ships will have no effect then why are so many people against it? Why do people rail against FotM ships and unbalanced races? They'll be the same thing once CCP is done. FotM will be whatever the best ship/mods get put up on the RMT Cash Shop and anyone who can't compete will have to either outblob or spend the cash themselves. (Unless your a VERY VERY rich char going by the 1.3bil monocle prices.) The notion that anyone who can't afford the isk for NEX controlled ship/mod prices aren't worth considering is as laughable as the rest of your post.
As for your second paragraph no other game has a P2P + P2W scheme. If CCP wants P2W then they should also go F2P. And just because the entire industry is going to MT then EVE must be too right? (It's not like they have two other games that already have MT designed in from the start in development or anything.) After this I should continue to pay them not once, but TWICE to be competitive? Your ******ed, and anyone who thinks like you is ******ed. I won't play any MMO with a P2W scheme on principle alone, but especially not after already paying a sub fee. If not paying for a game that is going a direction I don't like is throwing my "toys out on the pram" then so be it. At least I won't be paying these asshats twice for a game they can't be bothered to fix.
EDIT: I feel I must preface this whole post with that even if they promise to never introduce "Items of Power" as they put it, I still won't be back because the trust is gone. They've lied not once but twice about MTs in EVE.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 24/06/2011 08:46:21
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: bl3h Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14 Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.
I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked
And, that makes it better ...because?
I agree with you, Gwenwyll. Basic rule is don't put anything down on paper/screen if it isn't suitable for public consumption. Been in a few companies where that was the rule and anything even slightly iffy was restricted to verbal informal meetings (not minuted).
My previous comments on various threads have been fairly tame, but now that the newsletter has been confirmed to be legit, I don't really know what to say. A company newsletter has a wide distribution, and copies can easily go astray, so it was horrendously naive to think that this storm wouldn't kick off given the past history MTs have had with the players.
At least Zynga are upfront about it.
MT for cosmetics is fine, but I won't play a game that has MT pay to win. Eve hasn't reached that stage yet, but given the style of the game, I may as well get off now and not waste my time in the interim. If you say it won't happen, give me a reason to believe that the lead game designer won't implement his wishes.
Lets look a bit deeper, with (maybe) a bit of tinfoil. This was the reason visibility of other players' standings was removed. All the fluff about performance was a blind. This is why the industry expansion never materialised- with MT ships/ammo, it would have been a waste of development time. Mining update- same. What else has been shelved because MTs would make it not viable?
Originally by: sales pitch Why use all those clunky interfaces and spend hours mining, when for just one small* payment, you can get the [item] of your dreams.
*CCP has also told it's customers that $50+ should be considered micro. So expect an increase in sub costs too, as it's just a small increase.
MTs won't affect gameplay? It has already affected unrelated systems by having them removed and depriving them of development time.
edit:
Originally by: Algathas Joseph Gallo: June 2009 û Present (2 years 1 month) "As CFO of CCP Games, Joe oversees the financial positioning and reporting of CCP. He is also responsible for the strategic initiatives of the Company and relations with its investors."
His previous work history: "Managing Director, Investment Banking Citigroup
This explains a lot too. ______
When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD... |
Sellendis
Caldari The Ares project
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:42:00 -
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I still wonder how they missed one thing? Buying a license to shoot anyone in hisec without concord getting involved. :) Since noble ammo/ships/standing was in plans...wonder if this was also.
For 100 plex (just guessing) you could shoot anyone you like to, and if they want to shoot ya back, they need to pay 100 plex also. Breaking aggro mechanics, lol. Who cares, license + monocle = happy (rich) customer.
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Lamparski
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:46:00 -
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So its real, Ive been reading the forums for a couple hours now and its really sad that Eve is at a great cross roads that could see a lot of veterans leave.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sellendis I still wonder how they missed one thing? Buying a license to shoot anyone in hisec without concord getting involved. :) Since noble ammo/ships/standing was in plans...wonder if this was also.
This is already in the game with the exception of NPC corps. Sell some PLEX, use ISK to pay for a wardec. Easy :-)
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 24/06/2011 08:47:02 Oh noooo!!!
What did I miss I lost my page..and there's a new threadnaught already!!
Anyone seen my pitchfork?
And Miilla was right about Friday
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lamparski So its real, Ive been reading the forums for a couple hours now and its really sad that Eve is at a great cross roads that could see a lot of veterans leave.
Keep reading. Not cross-roads. A culdesac, a dead-end.
No "could". "has".
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Sellendis
Caldari The Ares project
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Sellendis I still wonder how they missed one thing? Buying a license to shoot anyone in hisec without concord getting involved. :) Since noble ammo/ships/standing was in plans...wonder if this was also.
This is already in the game with the exception of NPC corps. Sell some PLEX, use ISK to pay for a wardec. Easy :-)
But that is not game-breaking mechanics. This way you could shoot anyone and not need a wardec for it. Its a one man license to kill. And i got a better one to go with it, license to fly a supercap in hisec. Why not? Would make Jita flood with tears :)
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sellendis
Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Sellendis I still wonder how they missed one thing? Buying a license to shoot anyone in hisec without concord getting involved. :) Since noble ammo/ships/standing was in plans...wonder if this was also.
This is already in the game with the exception of NPC corps. Sell some PLEX, use ISK to pay for a wardec. Easy :-)
But that is not game-breaking mechanics. This way you could shoot anyone and not need a wardec for it. Its a one man license to kill. And i got a better one to go with it, license to fly a supercap in hisec. Why not? Would make Jita flood with tears :)
Haha, why not?
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:29:00 -
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bump
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:47:00 -
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Looks like were done here boys...pack it up. Those leaving..now's the time. See you on the other side with a lightsaber in my hand.
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Looks like were done here boys...pack it up. Those leaving..now's the time. See you on the other side with a lightsaber in my hand.
I think this is my last MMO for a long while.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Looks like were done here boys...pack it up. Those leaving..now's the time. See you on the other side with a lightsaber in my hand.
Not until CCP delete the threads and round 2 starts.
Some of us still have months of subscription time left. :-)
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:56:00 -
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Eve: The worlds EMPTYEST game universe
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Justin Cody
Caldari T.A.L.O.N. Company
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:06:00 -
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CCP Soundwave's problem is that he understands that we don't want the sh*t he's shoveling and YET he thinks it should be shoveled anyhow...straight down our throats whether we like it or not.
I think he underestimates (MASSIVELY) how much our revenues contribute to his ability to drunkenly author stupid opinions.
He may have a right to his opinions...but hey opinions are like that thing poop tumbles out of...everybody has em...even our EVE characters (I think). And sometimes he should just have the better mind to STFU and GBTW. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:14:00 -
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Well, since we can't take CCP or the Eve game seriously anymore,
may aswell have fun during the SELF DESTRUCT phase :)
No point in getting all miserable over it.. Have fun, while it lasts. Just a different kind of fun :)
For every new feature they want, just nod and say yes its awesome. Screw em. Because they wont listen to anything other than their way.
The Frank Sinatra business model, "I'll do it MY way..."
They are the people that will have to face the LAYOFFS not us.
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Dok Klick
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:15:00 -
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Ganz einfache Rechnung: Entweder ich kann die alte UI in der Station wieder einschalten, oder CCP sieht KEIN GELD mehr von mir. |
Justin Cody
Caldari T.A.L.O.N. Company
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:18:00 -
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The shame is that we can't gank him on TQ to the point of violating the EULA. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:23:00 -
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I never got to experience any MMO company self destructions before
Now I am right in it :)
It's awesome fun to see a company destroy itself, really it is,
The fun part is, the people running the company just cannot see it.
The next thing on my list of TODO's is to watch a real life train wreck to compare it.
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:27:00 -
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I was there during the Hellgate debacle. This looks and sounds very similar, but without the "Failboat" meme.
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nishachara on 24/06/2011 10:31:31 Oh shut up Miilla ...
You are only showing your immaturity and idiotism...
And at worst you are hindering the community to be taken seriously by the CCP...
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nishachara Edited by: Nishachara on 24/06/2011 10:31:31 Oh shut up Miilla ...
You are only showing your immaturity and idiotism...
And at worst you are hindering the community to be taken seriously by the CCP...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ↑
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:32:00 -
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is this thread dying now the so called apology and parley one is up
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Coarl
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Horace Nancyball tl;dr
I'm pretty sure that if RMT ever goes beyond "vanity items" it is unlikely to imbalance the null sec game but rather the "pve WoW brigade" so who cares? The EVE universe is big enough to let you avoid the fully rmt officer fitted faction battleships mining for trit.
You literally know nothing of how eve works if that's what you think. Either biomass your toon and start again, only this time actually work through the entire tutorial. OR Have a loong hard think about how extra shiny ships in empire will get used in nullsec. (PL's T3 fleets anyone?). Changes to highsec = changes everywhere, it's the same server universe you clown!
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:45:00 -
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Maybe it would be the best if we all dont log in after dt as a sign of protest until ccp explains the leaked memo.
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Maybe it would be the best if we all dont log in after dt as a sign of protest until ccp explains the leaked memo.
Best way to protest is with your wallet. Cancel your sub if it means something to you.
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Kyang Tia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:58:00 -
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I'm sure everything has been said on 80 pages that i didn't bother reading. Just one thing: If microtransactions for non-vanity items are introduced to EVE, i will cancel my subscription. I won't accept it, and if this is "the future of gaming", then this future will happen without me.
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Titmando
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:06:00 -
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TL;DR Someone might of said this but micro-transactions or not, they are not forcing you to buy the monocle or those blue suede shoes.
Let them introduce it continue to play eve and they'll probably realize how bad it is when the numbers come in.
No need to EMO-RAGE quit because of a change! not an exactly gameplay-limiting change is it now?
Or am I missing something?
-T
I <3 carebear's
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Isis Soryu
Best way to protest is with your wallet. Cancel your sub if it means something to you.
Oh its already canceled, and it runs out in 20 days or so. Maybe ill renew it with a plex/gtc if things start looking a bit better, but as things stand i wont.
But, i wont pay $ until i am sure that ill play this game (and like it) for years to come and that game wont become money grab PTW, MT, piece of carp.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Titmando TL;DR Someone might of said this but micro-transactions or not, they are not forcing you to buy the monocle or those blue suede shoes.
Let them introduce it continue to play eve and they'll probably realize how bad it is when the numbers come in.
No need to EMO-RAGE quit because of a change! not an exactly gameplay-limiting change is it now?
Or am I missing something?
the news letter ?
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