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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:01:00 -
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From the patch notes, "It is no longer possible to set up a ship to be impervious to scanning while uncloaked". Can some smart kid do the maths on this? The statement says impossible, but surely this is not true. There must be some ratio of Sensor strength to Sig radius at which point you are unprobable. Ideas? Thoughts? I dont claim to know much about the subject, so please, someone educate me.
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RUF993
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:12:00 -
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:15:00 -
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It is possible to create ships with a 10:1 ratio fairly easy. Useful? Probly not :) But I am interested to know more on the subject. I like beer and cheese... |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:53:00 -
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Hey Strider - Im sure CCP just corrected their probing formulas to make sure the chance of probing a ship will aways be bigger than 0.
Pinky
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achoura
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:02:00 -
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There's a cap on the sig return for probes which means adding extra eccm is just a waste of a slot.
It still makes you difficult to find, but over the years a lot of people have acquired virtue implants for their coverts so it's really not worth doing any more. ***The EVE servers and their patches***
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:09:00 -
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You need sisters gear, all 5s and a virtue set, possibly with the two(?) additional hardwirings and a 8 probe box with .5 au to get them.
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:16:00 -
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To get what? Is there now a "sensor strength/sig radius" at which your probability is capped? IE, no extra amount of sensor strength or reduction in sig radius will reduce the chance of you getting probed? I like beer and cheese... |
Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Strider Hiryu To get what? Is there now a "sensor strength/sig radius" at which your probability is capped? IE, no extra amount of sensor strength or reduction in sig radius will reduce the chance of you getting probed?
Yes there is now a cap. People have tested with Stealth Bombers that had a 3:1 ratio and they were abel to be probed up with a max prober. Results were the same with a 2:1 ratio as well. No one knows the exact formula yet.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tammarr You need sisters gear, all 5s and a virtue set, possibly with the two(?) additional hardwirings and a 8 probe box with .5 au to get them.
Negative.
If you have all lvl 5 and sisters gear you can get away with a few implants. No need for the whole set.
If you have the whole set, you can get away with cheaper gear.
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Sakura Mia
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:02:00 -
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3:1 ratio is nothing but try 20:1
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 -
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Yeah, i have seen 16:1 ratio, can anyone provide more details? I like beer and cheese... |
Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:21:00 -
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The only detail you need to know is that it is now impposible to be unprobable, just very hard to probe. This has been tested and confirmed in game and stated by CCP. Please stop trying to cling to your previous mechanics.
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:23:00 -
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Who tested it? CCP is untrustworthy. Next. I like beer and cheese... |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Adian Grey The only detail you need to know is that it is now impposible to be unprobable, just very hard to probe. This has been tested and confirmed in game and stated by CCP. Please stop trying to cling to your previous mechanics.
If it was the only thing, he wouldnt ask...
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Strider Hiryu Who tested it? CCP is untrustworthy. Next.
My corp tested it. Perfect skills + SoE equipment, and the best we could get on our Tengu booster was 72%.
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Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Strider Hiryu Who tested it? CCP is untrustworthy. Next.
My corp tested it. Perfect skills + SoE equipment, and the best we could get on our Tengu booster was 72%.
Retest it with a Covert Ops, Grav rigs, SOE gear and some Virtures.
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Pyrrhic Corruption
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:23:00 -
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Tested this several times with...
Buzzard (CovOps 5) Sister Probes & Launcher Perfect Astrometrics skills 2 Grav rigs No Implants 0.5 AU probe radius
Best results I'm getting on my low-sec gang booster T3s is in the mid-60s. I've tried a variant of probe formations. Ratios on the T3s I'm using...
Loki - 136.3 / 103 = 1.3233 Tengu - 140.7 / 118 = 1.1923 Legion - 154.8 / 111 = 1.3945
Waiting for a friend with a perfect prober with a complete implant set to test with later.
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 23/06/2011 22:52:41
Are you trying with more than 4-5 probes? Remember that CCP made it so that more than 4 probes can contribute to a scan.
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Pyrrhic Corruption
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:22:00 -
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I guess I neglected to mention that, eight probes every time.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Adian Grey
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Strider Hiryu Who tested it? CCP is untrustworthy. Next.
My corp tested it. Perfect skills + SoE equipment, and the best we could get on our Tengu booster was 72%.
Retest it with a Covert Ops, Grav rigs, SOE gear and some Virtures.
not some, all.
and there are hardwirings that help it too. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:12:00 -
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The Virtue set should give you +26.25% to scan probe strength. That's 15% base secondary, plus 50% for set bonus and 25% for epsilon.
Adding "Hardwiring - Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-2" to slot 8 gives you another 10%. That's a significant addition to the Virtue set.
+50% from Covert Ops V +5% from Sisters Expanded Launcher +50% from astrometric rangefinding
10% bonus from a Grav Cap rig. I don't know the math on the impact of a second rig, so I'm going to "guesstimate" it at 7.5%. I'm assuming that two T1 rigs yield the same or better than one T2 rig (15%).
That should cover all the possible bonuses. Did I miss anything?
ps Astrometric Pinpointing affects your max deviation, which as I understand it has nothing to do with achieving a lock.
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