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Takaedeatchy
Caldari Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 -
[4321]
If the rumors below become true im out of here
Quote:
Also, rumors says it that there are many things planned for the Noble Exchange, that are interfering with the game, like Aur for standings, Aur for ships, Aur for skills etc. That is just plain and simple wrong and if something like that enters the game, then I no longer recognize the game I fell in love with and it will be the end of my career in New Eden... I would really ask for some clarification on what's planned for the future of the NeX Store.
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 -
[4322]
Originally by: Eladaris SWG's NGE might have hurt Sony Online... but they're very much stil around and kicking as a company.
CCP is not Sony (right?)
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SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 -
[4323]
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin Sorry CCP but I can't bare to pay for something like this. The only way you ware getting my subs back is if you step up and tell the truth and fix the issues stated above.
-T
While i see the reason why... I strongly suggest not just to you but everyone to lighten up a bit. The spiral of hatred is vicious as we saw in this thread.
That what happens when people wake up and find themselves being royally screwed...when peeps have enough they rise up and topple who ever is imposing crap on them.
Watch the news and you'll see it all over the middle east.
Im not saying the management will fall but their income will.
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:36:00 -
[4324]
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin Sorry CCP but I can't bare to pay for something like this. The only way you ware getting my subs back is if you step up and tell the truth and fix the issues stated above.
-T
While i see the reason why... I strongly suggest not just to you but everyone to lighten up a bit. The spiral of hatred is vicious as we saw in this thread.
you to are a ccp employee hiding behind an alt f,u,c,k off paying customers a ****ed and its not goping away what you have done is going to put everyone on eve`s payroll out of work and some obviously duboius investors pulling out the guns for a please explain where all the paying customers went you bunch of idiots
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 -
[4325]
Originally by: Chogon Toil What I'm ok with: AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).
Um... NO!!
And so it begins. :(
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 -
[4326]
Originally by: Master ore Two accounts continuasly active since 2004, both unsubscribed as soon as present subscription period ends. Thankfully Bioware have a MMO due fairly soon, and thier record for quality games is superb. Planescape Torment,Fallout to Mass effect. Baulders Gate to Dragon Age,nothing more needs saying.
Single player RPG and MMO .. different beast.. But i hope they succeed. Many people looking for that.
Still i prefer my EVE.
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Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 -
[4327]
Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Eladaris SWG's NGE might have hurt Sony Online... but they're very much stil around and kicking as a company.
CCP is not Sony (right?)
Right. CCP doesn't have a massive consumer electronics division to fall back on.
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Erinni Tisifone
TH3 UnT0uChaBl3S Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 -
[4328]
Edited by: Erinni Tisifone on 24/06/2011 15:38:24
EVE TRANQUILITY STATS....just look at the "ALL TIME DAILY AVERAGE"......you must look at that in the other side... ;)
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:37:00 -
[4329]
Edited by: Istyn on 24/06/2011 15:38:01
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Istyn
-snip epicness-
Your post makes me laugh.. Allways on spot
Accepting donations to fund pony feed.
EVE playerbase reading the newsletter:
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:38:00 -
[4330]
am i wrong in thinking it's 24 minutes to 5pm in Iceland now?
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4331]
So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself: EVENews24.com Version Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4332]
Originally by: Chogon Toil What I'm ok with: AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).
What I'm NOT ok with: Aur / Isk for gate tolls, buying SP, paying Isk / Aur for things we get now, already, for free such as docking in a station.
Also: FIX WHAT'S BROKEN BEFORE YOU ADD MORE!
P.S. CCP, please keep in mind this is a universe you've made. Something you called not a game but REAL LIFE at FanFest. Real life does not change on a whim with every gust. Minor additions we, the PLAYERS, see coming from a mile away is fine. Huge sweeping changes dropped on us anytime you like? Not. Cool.
Great you've broken EVE.. well done.
People run missions and they sell +5's and that pays for their eve, so they happy to do the hard work. I buy some PLEX and get ISK... and I purchase those +5's. The mission *****s get their money.. I can afford the plex.. everyone is happy.
Why would you buy from them for isk when you can just purchase it from the air. So they stop using their LP for +5's and start using it for Damage implants.. oh wait.. you can buy them too, ah well they are done.. AND LOG OFF AND NEVER COME BACK!
As soon as something enters the economy from fresh air... There is no reason to rat, no reason for industrial to make stuff... it JUST ARRIVES..
So well done.. miss the whole point in this argument.
If it comes from fresh air it kills the economy. As soon as the economy dies.. There will be no industrial... no industrialism = we all end up paying RL MONEY for stuff...
If thats what CCP want.. (as it looks like) FINE.. Eve will just be another game that people will play for 2 months and go and play something else.
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Grog Barrel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4333]
Originally by: Chogon Toil What I'm ok with: AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).
why were you playing EvE instead of the **** loads of korean generic piece of crap, which gives you **** loads of "slightly better" adventages?
Well, now it will make sense.
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DaRuLe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4334]
Originally by: I'm Down am i wrong in thinking it's 24 minutes to 5pm in Iceland now?
15.38 to be exact (ehr,. 3.58pm) __________________________________________________________________________
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Dopesick
Ice Hogz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4335]
This is going to be a movie someday...
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Aganola
Amarr Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:39:00 -
[4336]
Originally by: Erinni Tisifone Edited by: Erinni Tisifone on 24/06/2011 15:38:24
EVE TRANQUILITY STATS....just look at the "ALL TIME DAILY AVERAGE"......you must look at that in the other side... ;)
the stat is in reverse...
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4337]
This smells very much like APB Reloaded though that is a free game they sell improved weapons and soon to be cars for real life money, lets just say everyone was enjoying the return of APB Reloaded in early Beta, then they introduced this MT crap, i and many of my friends in apb have quit, uninstalled and dont miss the game 1 single bit.. you will always have rich kids who can buy the better "thing" in a game, but let me tell you something, the rich kid who can buy or will buy the better goods will also get bored of the game very very quickly. as for the guy who cant afford it, the die hard, the one who spends his entire free time in the game? well he will quit without much question, and you know what? he would have been your longterm payment.
do the maths ccp, is a few stupid MT transactions more profitable over years and years of subs from diehards? i dont think so, and anyone who does is simply ignorant.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4338]
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan ****, i just scrolled to every page from 30 to 144 looking for dev responses, and I found none. Please stop spamming, I dont want to sift to another 30 pages consisting of 90% useless ****posts just because i went to have dinner.
Thanks.
And CCP needs to respond NOW.
This will help you.
It is one of those nice 3rd party sites they launched the API blog attacks against in the previous weeks.
http://www.eve-search.com/search/dpf/dev
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4339]
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Originally by: Chogon Toil What I'm ok with: AUR / ISK for in-game benefits: $50 for a full set of +6 implants? Cool. X Aur / Isk for +x% damage implant? Cool. Slightly better ships, alright, fine. Better ammo? Fine. Etc. If the benefits are minor and not huge and reasonable in price (a minimum wage worker in any country could afford a few of such items a month).
What I'm NOT ok with: Aur / Isk for gate tolls, buying SP, paying Isk / Aur for things we get now, already, for free such as docking in a station.
Also: FIX WHAT'S BROKEN BEFORE YOU ADD MORE!
P.S. CCP, please keep in mind this is a universe you've made. Something you called not a game but REAL LIFE at FanFest. Real life does not change on a whim with every gust. Minor additions we, the PLAYERS, see coming from a mile away is fine. Huge sweeping changes dropped on us anytime you like? Not. Cool.
Great you've broken EVE.. well done.
People run missions and they sell +5's and that pays for their eve, so they happy to do the hard work. I buy some PLEX and get ISK... and I purchase those +5's. The mission *****s get their money.. I can afford the plex.. everyone is happy.
Why would you buy from them for isk when you can just purchase it from the air. So they stop using their LP for +5's and start using it for Damage implants.. oh wait.. you can buy them too, ah well they are done.. AND LOG OFF AND NEVER COME BACK!
As soon as something enters the economy from fresh air... There is no reason to rat, no reason for industrial to make stuff... it JUST ARRIVES..
So well done.. miss the whole point in this argument.
If it comes from fresh air it kills the economy. As soon as the economy dies.. There will be no industrial... no industrialism = we all end up paying RL MONEY for stuff...
If thats what CCP want.. (as it looks like) FINE.. Eve will just be another game that people will play for 2 months and go and play something else.
QFT. ---
R.I.P.
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Tob Seayours
Minmatar Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4340]
Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 Hi, everyone
Some of you who have been around for a while may remember me. I was the original community manager for EVE. These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams. While most of what I do happens behind the curtains, I am still aware of whatÆs going on front and center. I would be lying if I said that whatÆs happening now didnÆt make me sad, but IÆm not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, IÆm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.
ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. ThereÆs a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we havenÆt been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. IÆm willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off. I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we werenÆt going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know weÆre doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope youÆll bear with me. I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donÆt know me from Adam. I havenÆt earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you û but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
Like I said, I wonÆt be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weÆll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.
If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Humbly yours, ~P~
*edited to fix a "doh!" typo
FIGUREHEAD
we wish so hard to be seen and pray at night to be heard and yet we have nothing to show but false words and broken dreams I'm the figurehead on the ship of fools a beacon for the liars in the dark I'm the first and the last I claim this land I'm the lost and the hungry I need this land the inescapable face of truth spins my head again disturbingly to stand back I'm going down the undeniable sense of wonder kicks my head in
disturbingly unable to escape I dive to drown we want so hard to be true and claim the right to be good and yet we never seem to know how to reach the promised lands we work so hard to be wise and dream of light to be pure we need brighter death to grow the clean touch of virgin hands
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Azmodeus Valar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4341]
I can understand CCP's need for extra revenue, and would be ok with MT as long as it was for things like clothing options, or different skins for ships (should be priced at $1-5). However, the internal debate at CCP has me deeply worried, as there should be no debate at all. Fundamentally changing the nature of what impacts a persistent game environment should never have been on the table.
The performance issues and lack of content with incarna also reveal that quality control is not what it should be, despite the large outcry last year about lack of quality control. Overall, I am concerned with CCP's direction, management, and ability to continue Eve as a thriving community. I fear that the rush for the quick buck will destroy your main source of revenue.
As a member of E-Uni, I am in a unique position of dealing with large numbers of new players to Eve on a regular basis. The factors that have brought people into Eve and kept them in game are well known, and I don't see CCP's direction as expanding those factors and increasing subscription count. I feel that it will have an adverse effect on retention, and lower involvement in what still has the potential to be a great game.
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Rail Gun
Caldari The Cathedral of Flesh Monocle Overlords
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4342]
No need to apologize, ewerything went better than expected. We are busy playing eve enyway so take all the time you need to give us feedback. Some people are just slightly overreacting but they will cool down eventually.
I also like to thank CCP for one of the best expansions in long time.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:40:00 -
[4343]
Originally by: Captain Travaras
Originally by: El'Niaga So if we are parleying, why aren't you participating?
Not one DEV post in this thread now in 11 hours....
my guess is they dont have anything to say that we will want to hear. They can say sorry all they like, but if it doesnt change their minds on where they want the game to go, then their apologies are empty.
Perhaps and this is my only hope for the game. Anyone with any coding experience has been rummaging through the codebase finding stuff they can fix, tweak, repair or otherwise leave annotations for more meaty resources to plunder. PR has been busy writing a speach for Hilmar to say to camera and they're trying to remember how to do a video stream.
I, like a lot of players here don't *really* want to click the button. We love this damn game and frankly it feels like CCP are just sat there going "Well FU we'll just get lots of new players in". And yes I know that makes me a sado basment dwelling dreg.
Where from though CCP? WoW? Hardly. Trekies? They're off in STO. SciFi action MMOers? They've got their game now with more on the way. Mecha-heads? Perpetum (sp?). Star Wars fans? Erm... yeah... something about an ancient form of government appearing soon I remember reading about.
There are only so many MMO players out there and of those only so many want a multifaceted multiplayer Elite like sandbox game. About 300,000 - 400,000 I'd wager.
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Ianus
Caldari Geminus Gateway
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
An excellent read. I've seen worse written master thesis.
If you guys are honest about listening to the community this time, don't miss this particular document.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Master ore Two accounts continuasly active since 2004, both unsubscribed as soon as present subscription period ends. Thankfully Bioware have a MMO due fairly soon, and thier record for quality games is superb. Planescape Torment,Fallout to Mass effect. Baulders Gate to Dragon Age,nothing more needs saying.
lol. bioware HAD a record for quality games.
EA is doing to them what CCP is doing to eve. Selling out their good name for every drop they can.
DA2 was all i needed to know about EAioware.
It seems a very popular business model anymore. Take a good product and MILK THE CRAP OUT OF IT until there is nothing but an empty husk.
Its short-term gains vs long-term success. You have to, to some degree, sacrifice the extreme potential of one to achieve the extreme potential of the other. It's a balancing act, and I think we can all see things have gotten out of balance here. They have been for a few years now.
Eve and CCP started with the latter, that's why most of us are here. But they showed their hand of cards and we can see which way the winds blow now.
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:41:00 -
[4346]
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Nikodiemus FRIENDS! There is a reason for this horrible incident and lack of communication and salesmanship.
CCP Hiring New Chief Marketing Officer
Someone should apply since CSM is obviously bull**** and kill the lies from within.
Was there a Chief Marketing Officer before? Normally Sales & Marketing reports to the CFO - this just proves that CCP new business plan is already being implemented ... or that they realised the current CFO is an incompetent money grabbing coward.
I couldn't help to notice this little snip from the job details:
Quote:
... leading thought innovation in marketing to the point of inspiring development rather than be framed by it.
When marketeers start to make game design decisions, its time to leave the sinking ship.
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:41:00 -
[4347]
Originally by: Ancyker So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself: EVENews24.com Version Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
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This Ouch
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Zanetia
Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:41:00 -
[4348]
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan ****, i just scrolled to every page from 30 to 144 looking for dev responses, and I found none. Please stop spamming, I dont want to sift to another 30 pages consisting of 90% useless ****posts just because i went to have dinner.
Thanks.
And CCP needs to respond NOW.
Try this
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:42:00 -
[4349]
Originally by: I'm Down am i wrong in thinking it's 24 minutes to 5pm in Iceland now?
I'm thinking they are going to wait as long as they can, release a devblog containing info that really ****es us off, then hope it blows over through the weekend.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:42:00 -
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@Istyn
donation sent / pony feed
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