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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4501]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Kaeda Maxwell CCP: I'm not on the verge of quitting right now. I don't like jumping the shark.
What I would like is a very clear; "No we will not now and not ever sell any item for RL cash that will give an ingame advantage over other players". And the pledge will have to come from somebody at board level like Hilmar for it to still have any credibility to the player base at this point I think.
They will not say it. Mark my words.
What they might say is: "No we will not (for now) sell any item for RL cash that will give an ingame advantage over other players."
Then 6 months later, SUDDENLY GOLD RIFTER.
In nutshell they will say: "There are no current plans to sell any item for RL cash that will give an ingame advantage over other players and the leaked pdf was not reflecting official company policy."
In other words
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Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4502]
150 pages, approx 4500 replies in 16 hrs of this post starting!
Where is your response CCP? Have you got the guts to reply now? Or are you all getting ready to go out and get drunk tonight?
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dhunpael
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4503]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Miilla
♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪
Words cannot express how much I despise you.
I'm having fun with my remaining 110 days gametime :) arn't you?
i'm done in my last 9 day's we'll see what happens in those day's. But if this is not getting better it'll be my last 9 days
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Inquisitron
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4504]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP6CpUnfc0
This is CCP's apology summed up in a 30 sec video.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4505]
Edited by: Solstice Project on 24/06/2011 16:17:48 151. ^^
+1 for everybody ! :D
edit:
crap, somebody beat me to it ! lol
seriously, +1 to everybody ! :)
And get us CCP Sound***, to kick his roody poo candy ass !
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:16:00 -
[4506]
Originally by: Mechael
Originally by: Amaise
Pretty obvious P2W has been on their cards for a long time. They wont go back on it one bit. Undoubtedly Sony or the former Citi CFO has a big part in this and not the devs or PR scapegoats. This IS the direction their company is going like it or not. ...
PS i wouldnt count on assurances or answers about MT plans
:( It's sad because it's probably true.
Back in 2010 when they give us FREE SP refunds, people paniced fearing PLEX for SP.
They said no, not "in this case", so they knew back then.
Oh and I bet BLOODLINE CHANGES will cost about 10 PLEX.
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Stardust999
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:17:00 -
[4507]
Edited by: Stardust999 on 24/06/2011 16:17:12 I find the complete lack of all response from CCP extremely telling as to how much they really care about all of your options.
Simple fact is they will look at how much money they stand to make from this micro transaction plan versus how much they will lose from having x amount of their user base rage quit.
If it looks like they will make more from screwing us over, they will do it.
You think your option matters? ahahahahahahahaha 60$ for a monocle? ahahahahahahah
Oh CCP, never stop trolling
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Picard Facepalm
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:17:00 -
[4508]
Originally by: Adam Reed A note of caution: in the newsletter, the main EVE-affecting section was obviously written up as a 'For' and 'Against', with Touborg on one side in favour of non-vanity MTs, and Turbefield on the other against them. While I agree it's hugely dissatisfying to think they're actually considering it, there's little point in crucifying all of CCP because one guy was asked to write the 'For' side of an argument in a newsletter - to essentially simply state his own personal opinion.
If they come out and say they want to introduce it, fine, I quit too. But if they come out and say it's just one guy's opinion and there are no plans to implement it, don't be in any way surprised.
Yes, presented by the editor as "MT versus design integrity" Soundwave (the lead designer, remember) was on the side against integrity.
/facepalm
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MissingNo1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:17:00 -
[4509]
Originally by: Miilla
Eve Customers will flex a little, they have, they accepted vanity items in the NEX store, they accepted the PLEX, but game changing MT items, they won't budge on most likely. CCP has a plan, they are executing on it, doesn't matter how far customers flex a little. CCP doesn't care, it is their time table and their demise.
No sense in fighting what is already comming, let em screw it up, it's just a game for us, it is a job for them, which is now at greater risk, we have no risk to take. Let em screw themselves.
I have no problem with this at all, really, I have 110 days remaining, I just hope CCP don't go bankrupt between now and 110 days time, after that, I don't care if they get layoffs. Not my problem really.
I plan to have fun all the way out, if that fun means laughing at CCP and their employees, Fine by me, Just another form of fun.
No sense in being miserable over it, it's not worth it, and neither are CCP.
When the rats trolls leave the game, that is a time to worry, really, it is.
TODO:
1) Play Eve 2) Watch CCP's demise - IN PROGRESS 3) Watch real train wreck to compare with item 2)
Miilla, although you are a spammer and are truly a pain in the ar5e, you do speak the truth!!
Waiting for this day will be fun, I too am now just waiting ... :)
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:17:00 -
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im upset that there was'nt one person in the whole of ccp who stood up and said
'NO, are you mad? you can't do this to my game, i love to play it and this would totally spoil it, we can't monetize third party apps now after all the community has done, we can't add MT for items in a new release of eve after they already pay a sub which allowed us to design and develop the expansion to begin with, and we certainly can't destory our player run market by adding in MT items that our players can not build for themselves'
was there no one in ccp that was opposed to this?
i cast a vote of no confidence with ccp
my real worry now is that years of delvelopment and money have been push into this,. and even if ccp were to turn around and address these issues, eve is in for some hard times over the comming year or so, to which i hope it recovers, but hope is all i have.
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:17:00 -
[4511]
Originally by: Inquisitron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP6CpUnfc0
This is CCP's apology summed up in a 30 sec video.
+1 Internets "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Temerit
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:18:00 -
[4512]
Asked a legitimate question only to have my post deleted, and I thought this was supposed to produce constructive, two-way communication.
What a joke.
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Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:18:00 -
[4513]
Edited by: Riithi Bashere on 24/06/2011 16:18:26
Quote: To be perfectly honest, IĈm here to buy time while we try to sort things out.
Time is running out.
Quote: IĈm willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off. I was wrong to do that and I apologize.
And now you'r doing it again...
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Kinori Kalrath
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:18:00 -
[4514]
Guess i will end my subscription here to "Sims" online :) been a nice run.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:18:00 -
[4515]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/06/2011 16:18:42
Originally by: Mechael
1. The "CCP employer" expressing his "opinion" is a lead game designer.
That has already removed visibility of faction standings so they can sell them. That has already moved fittings server side and limited you to 50 so they can sell you more.
Oh, THAT's why they removed visibility of faction standings... so they can sell them.
But this is not CCP actually implementing these plans or anything. /sarcasm
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4516]
So CCP will post some BS response 2 minutes before they shut down for the day and hope that this will all go away by monday. Anyone taking bets?
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4517]
we will one day see a replie ....right? FREE HELICITY |
El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4518]
Originally by: visableone im upset that there was'nt one person in the whole of ccp who stood up and said
'NO, are you mad? you can't do this to my game, i love to play it and this would totally spoil it, we can't monetize third party apps now after all the community has done, we can't add MT for items in a new release of eve after they already pay a sub which allowed us to design and develop the expansion to begin with, and we certainly can't destory our player run market by adding in MT items that our players can not build for themselves'
was there no one in ccp that was opposed to this?
i cast a vote of no confidence with ccp
my real worry now is that years of delvelopment and money have been push into this,. and even if ccp were to turn around and address these issues, eve is in for some hard times over the comming year or so, to which i hope it recovers, but hope is all i have.
There probably were, they don't work there anymore....
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Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4519]
Originally by: Fern Dolakar
Originally by: Miilla
♫♪♫♪ Ding Dong... CCP is gone.... ♫♪♫♪
Stop using large text all the damn time.
She didnt! Not all the time at least, just found a post of hers in normal size.
Was yellow though, to compensate.
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
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MT will not effect game balance, Anomoly nerf will not effect 0.0 CQ adds to game immersion war on bots moon balance is not a problem T2 production is fine hybrids are fine the new forums are uber cool etc etc etc
the logs show nothing- working as intended.
enough is enough,
3 mains, unsubbed and biomassed
keeping 1 account just to log for lolz
gonna play WOT till the game i loved n played from day 1 is a distant memory,
hell yeah EVE i remember that game, used to be bloody brilliant until..................
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4521]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 16:22:56
4440 posts in 12.5 hours. Average posts per minute is down to 6 posts from 10 posts per minute. Things might actually cooling down? ____________________________________________________
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4522]
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 16:19:44
Ahhh I get it now, So THIS is WHY they fecked up the Vheriokor appearances...
BLOODLINE changes, 100 PLEX
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Marcus Vorenius
Instant Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
[4523]
Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 24/06/2011 16:19:55
Originally by: ThirdEyeBlenny
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 24/06/2011 16:03:18
Originally by: ThirdEyeBlenny
He's not disputing the fact that the newsletter's authentic, you moron, he's disputing claims that have been made with regards to the newsletter representing official policy.
It's not a matter of representing official policy or not. The fact that it's on the table and communicated in a NEWSLETTER proves that it is indeed the route CCP is going. They nerfed fittings recently and in the newsletter they mention charging RL$ for more fittings. There are multiple posts describing this better than mine - so read moar.
Then why are there two sides to the debate in the newsletter then?... If it was cannon, why pray tell, are they still in discussion?
I have no idea - the Director of PR & Communications was not involved with this, maybe thats the reason
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TorTorden
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 -
[4524]
I have said it before and I say it again.
Soundwave needs to get fired, IMMEDIATLY. ------------------------------------------------ There is no such thing as good or evil. Just an egotistic struggle for self empowerment. ------------------------------------------------ |
leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 -
[4525]
Originally by: YarrMama So CCP will post some BS response 2 minutes before they shut down for the day and hope that this will all go away by monday. Anyone taking bets?
you know this is true
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 -
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so Pann what your really apologizing for is that we aren't as stupid as people in the book 1984 and didn't just accept the new changes as part of the world of eve and feel like it always was there. I find your apology to be deceptive and worded to make people feel like you guys apologized for being sheist ****s while you really didn't apologize for the actual content ot changes.
**** you and your ****ty little company. go sell out to activision and get it over with.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 -
[4527]
CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell We're still in intense meetings... solutions are not easy in this. #tweetfleet #eveonline 1 minute ago
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Essa Ba'hi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 -
[4528]
My comment may be lost amongst the countless pages of replies that will be coming, but I should note my own opinions.
I have been playing EVE for several years, several expansions, and while living on several different continents. EVE has always been a social interaction tool for myself, as well as a detachment from reality. While I was a soldier in RL, I was an economist and industrialist in EVE.
Now I am a businessman, I no longer fight in RL, so I fight in EVE, while also continuing my industrialist ways. The way that I personally see these new micro-transactions is greed pure and simple. As state so many times already, the model for microtransactions has created a category of gaming industry that is all about money pit. I pay $15 a month to play EVE, if I stop paying the $15 I don't get to play EVE. I spend $300 over a few weeks in EVE on EVE in game items and I quit EVE I have then basically thrown $300 into the trash.
Microtransactions are nice for the people who are able to afford to play games in that manner, using real money to supplement for time, dedication, or even skill. However, and I would consider myself a part of this group, it is economically irresponsible to ask some consumers to buy in game items to stay on par with others in the game IF they are not finanically stable. What I mean is poor people who can afford a sub but not 2 or 3 will see these microtransactions are a way to get more money out of the rich and to unfavor the poor.
Moving away from that, Incarna has introduced another issue that I am seeing as the worst. Graphics requirements. I got evemails the day Incarna deployed..."sorry man, client won't load anymore, requirements are too much now." I have had 4 of my friends, my old friends for years, tell me that they have to quit simply because they just can't get into the game because the game asks too much now. Me? I have 3 machines I have been using for a few years now, 2 are now unable to open the client, and the 3rd (even as new as she is, she is just a laptop) starts getting hot as the sun when I dock....WHEN I DOCK!
My end point...CCP, I understand you want to increase revenues for further expansion...every business wants that. You must, however, not forget that you have continued to provide an amazing game to multiple levels of gamers for years. Those who power play with multiple accounts (thus multiple revenue on one source already), those with machines that just weren't quite what you would call high speed (some outdated machines could work fine with EVE), those whos wallets can only afford the sub fee monthly, and the many other pilot types with issues must be heard and heeded. You cannot move forward in your business if you play on snubbing massive amounts of your long time customers, thats horrible business ethic. Especially in todays market.
Also, I would love to get my hands of the financial statements of CCP and see where their getting these ideas that they NEED to create new revenues at the expense of #'s of consumers being dissatisfied.
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Thor Funaila
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
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Captains quarters need to be optional, plain and simple. I'm sure there are a lot of people who use a lower end computer to run multiple clients on low settings, with another good one to run the main account. Making captains quarters mandatory messes this up a lot. I've got an old P4 that can do 2 clients no problem, but it has a hard time dealing with rendering the quarters. Don't get me wrong, I love what you have out now for it, and can't wait until the other races ones are put in, Just don't force this on us.
As for the NeX store or whatever its called, Everybody needs to shut up about it. Last I checked, you didn't HAVE to buy from it. Prices to high? Tough, guess you cant buy from it. Things like this aren't just going to be handed to you for next to nothing. A monocle costs more then a dreadnaught? Yep, but its a one time purchase. That dreadnaught probably wont see next week. That monocle will see your entire eve career. What CCP COULD do, in addition to this already OPTIONAL feature, is introduce blueprints for the items on the store, tie them into PI or something (tritanium doesn't make sense for a shirt). As far as im concerned, as long as this store stays on the non-game play affecting side of EVE, they can set the prices at whatever the hell they want. This game has bigger problems then an optional vanity store.
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FantomChaser
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
[4530]
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 24/06/2011 15:57:53
Originally by: Jonny Foreigner Am loving the Hypocrisy of:
"I'm protesting in game advantage for money by cancelling my multiple account"
You do realise that multiple accounts is an in game advantage that you pay for?
Hypocrisy? Are you really that blind? Here, let me explain it for you:
- Blueprints are seeded on the market for ISK. You need a POS and fuel to research it. You need to mine materials to build it. Then you have a product ready for invention or ready to be used in LP store's blueprints as a base item for production of the faction mods.
Parties involved: - Blueprint researchers - Manufacturers - Planetary Interaction (POS modules and fuel) - Ice miners (POS fuels) - Highsec ore miners (low-end T1 materials) - 0.0/Wormhole miners (high-end T1 materials + Morphite) - Mission runners (LP store for faction mods) - Inventors
Now fast forward to MT system:
- Blueprints for things that have alternatives in the existing production lines are seeded on NEX for cash. * Blueprint researchers get screwed (not profitable to research) >>> Planetary Interaction get screwed (BP researchers don't consume POS modules and fuel)... hell even DUST get screwed even before it goes live (no initiative to set up or fight for a useless PI colony) >>> Ice miners get screwed (ice fuel lost a POS market) >>> Inventors get screwed and datacore market collapses >>> exploration get screwed (data interfaces are made from COSMOS/exploration materials)
Depending on the quality and performance of the MT item: Mission runners get screwed (LP store item prices failscade)
If you seed a whole module/ship in the store you'll kill ore miners and manufacturers and collapse the whole economy too.
It's not about what you can get for cash or with multiple accounts... it's about destroying every single industrial profession in EVE with one MT swing. You need effort to maintain multiple accounts, you need planning, spreadsheets, calculations, observation of the market, hauling/logistics, business agreements with miners, your own POS,... (the list goes on and on) to be able to use those accounts in their full capacity and it actually boosts the economy and helps out those who are playing a different type of the game. With MT in place, one can be just another rich bastard with no life that will conveniently cash out his "production line" with no effort at all while selfishly monopolizing production to the point where other players find it unprofitable or not fun to engage in any of the industrial activities.
Please tell me that those two things are the same.
Signed
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