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Words Words Words	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [481] GIVE US SOUNDWAVE HE MUST ANSWER FOR HIS SINS
Cartheron Crust Matari Exodus	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [482] Originally by: Si'Andregal Grungolash Originally by: Darveses Originally by: Jawmare FREE HELICITY BOSON! *******s!
Miura Dice	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [483] Edited by: Miura Dice on 24/06/2011 01:36:29 First of, banning the guy who released the newsletter was a ** move on your part CCP. As far as my concern, he did nothing wrong and in fact let me be the first( I think the first) to say thank you to him. Second, in my 2 years of playing EVE online I've had my shares of ups and downs with the new patch's and new content, as well as the notorious petitioning systems and idiots that answer them. You guys (CCP) have repeatedly lied to your subscribers, claiming one thing and doing the other over the course of my time in EVE. Third, as with the Capt rooms and many of the previous updates, they are just a complete waste of space. Instead of actual working out the problems created by old patches/content you keep releasing new things, thus, creating more problems and bugs. You waste subscribers money, on once again completely useless things and instead of actually spending that money to fix things, you just create more and more problems. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if no one on your development team actually knew which areas of the game worked as intended and which need fixing. Lastly, on the current issue of micro-transaction and the future of them, seriously CCP Pann, stop the bull**, save yourself the trouble and admit that most of the Dev Team as well as the Direct Board is simply in it for the money and you will milk every dollar/euro they can get. In all honesty I don't even know why people have this delusion that CCP will actually listen to their subscribers, it has been proven time and again that CCP simply doesn't care and will continue down the path they have set out, the newsletter shows a glimpse of the future come and if anything thinks otherwise should really read up on the history of what was said and what was done by CCP Devs. -Dice
SailorBacon	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [484] Edited by: SailorBacon on 24/06/2011 01:34:34 CCP BlueBar: Will there be anything for sale by Aurum that would normally be made from a blueprint E.G. ammo,mods,ships,rigs. Yes or No?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [485] Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 01:36:01 Can we get a REFUND of real money for all the PLEX we hold?
Bacchus Dionysus Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [486] clothes for barbie are one thing, but allowing players to purchase useful in-game items/standings/etc with cash is the death of eve. it is also directly contrary to promises ccp has made in the past. i hope it makes you enough money to cover the lost subscriptions (including mine) if you ever implement it. these things have been said a million times in a million ways because it's true.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:34:00 - [487] so every post is gonna be "we've had it just as hard as you have. maybe worse!" this is a total waste of time for everyone involved. bye
Amira Kornova	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [488] Originally by: ISquishWorms Originally by: Token Afrodude Edited by: Token Afrodude on 24/06/2011 00:40:42 Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Address the internal newsletter, and enact a change in direction or else anything you have to say means nothing, and you'll keep losing subs. edit quite frankly a simple +1 wont cut it. CCP as a company has lost alot of trust with the playerbase. If CCP wants ANY Chance of salvaging the damage done here, your going to have to be p front and honest. Your going to have to answer the hard questions, and provide proof of a change in direction, Because to put it bluntly (at least from my POV) i dont trust anyone with that CCP tag as far as i can throw them. My subs are already cancelled. its up to yo to get them back at this point, and i think alot of others would agree. This ^^
Akrosi	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [489] Originally by: Illadelph Justice 1. A disembark button. Return ship spinning and of you want to walk around you can push the button. 2. Keep microtransactions for vanity items only. This has been promised to us but it seems unlikely given the leaked document. 3. Add some reasonably priced vanity items. I don't really care about any of it, but if people want to spend billions on specialty items that's fine with me, like the dude who lives in the trailer park with the brand new corvette. Add some economy items for the working class spaceship pilot. 4. Address heat issues with hardware. I see you're looking into that now and good on you. 5. This is most important. Be open and honest with the players. The fact that you haven't responded in any (my insert) "real" way disturbs me. Even a "chill doods a dev blog is on the way!" would be welcome. This is what you have to do, no questions asked within a month. Its obvious not enough hours of work have gone into this expansion, either you don't have the manpower or your slacking. You don't get more money for less work.
HoboWithAShip	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [490] Question to CCP: Is Soundwave going to make an announcement or post regarding this issue? People are practically calling for his blood.
Harrigan VonStudly Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [491] Originally by: Raivi Originally by: Seleene Valerie, If you really want to understand how a lot of folks feel in a short amount of time, I suggest you read this as it sums up a lot of player feelings: Originally by: Jade Constantine Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base. Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game: 1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay. CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store. 2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen? 3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about. So hereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come. I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business. QFTing Jade /o\
Taius Pax	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [492] Originally by: LordElfa Without us, there is no EVE. Don't give us what YOU want, give us what WE want, or else we won't give you anymore money. this^^ You can't state the current situation any more succinctly.
Nedak Pather	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [493] Third time posting on these forums: CCP, all I want is for you guys to come out and say you won't be doing what you've said in the Newsletter. I don't care about Vanity Items. I don't care about Captains Quarters. All I care about is the BS that was written in that newsletter. I think that's what most of us care about, in the end.
Nicho Void Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [494] I'd be interested to know how many of you raging are currently doing so from in-game. Until you decide to make a REAL stand and stop logging in, this type of thing is going to continue to happen. They've lauded the CSM as a way to enact change when in fact it's simply a distraction from the truth: you hold the power. They want a "parley" for a day? Fine, no one log in. Issues still not addressed to your liking? Unsubscribe. Don't pay with money? Stop buying PLEX. Stop logging in. Having only 5k online pilots would certainly send a message.
Goatse Girl	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [495] Originally by: CCP Manifest Aurum is here to stay. Isn't that funny, because we're not
Diego Jinsei Minmatar Viper Nine	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [496] It's a case of too little too late I'm afraid. trust is hard enough to gain, but even harder to get back once it's been lost, and you've succeeded in losing mine and countless others. Enough with the empty words and false promises, there's only so much people will take before giving up on you entirely, and many already have.
Sinker1345 ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [497] Thank you for the response CCP Guard I can tell you what the big issue is and yes it has to do with micro transactions (refereed to as MT from now on) but, it is not the price (although they are way to high). The problem is that we believe you are going to start selling items in that store that give any kind of advantage in the eve universe (by this I mean in the space game part of eve). this can be easy or hard for you company to fix and here is why. CCP have said many things over the years, and have either told the community one thing or provided so little to support it that it is barely a truth. I can give examples of this however this is not the thread for that. I will provide them if you ask for them though. So, with the release of Incarna and that "Internal Newsletter" you have lost a lot of trust with the community. It does not matter if that newsletter was faked the damage was already done before that and even if you announce it was faked (which I hope it was) we will have a hard time believing you anyway. Now there is a way I can see this fixed by CCP, we need two things, reassurance that the things you charge in the Nobel Exchange will not provide an in game advantage in the space part of eve EVER, and we need some trust restored. I propose that you do this by releasing a statement saying that you will NEVER sell anything in the NEX that provides an in game advantage and, you make that announcement permanent by sticky'ing it on the main page of general discussion and, you move it over to the new forums once they go live (also as a sticky on the first page). this will reassure me and as long as that is up there I can continue paying my sub knowing that the moment you do add something in the NEX that gives an advantage that you no longer care about this game and I can cancel my accounts. I know I cannot speak for the entire eve community so, if you guys/gals agree with what I have said above please quote it with a +1.
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [498] Originally by: Jason1138 so every post is gonna be "we've had it just as hard as you have. maybe worse!" this is a total waste of time for everyone involved. bye I'm sensing that vibe myself... A bit disappoint.
Tea Ester Elliot	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [499] Originally by: CCP Manifest Originally by: AdmiralJohn Edited by: AdmiralJohn Do you have any definitive idea of the future of Aurum? Aurum is here to stay. The cycle here isn't changing soon. However, I feel like none of the concerns of the community have been addressed. Worse, I feel like these concerns are being swept under the rug, and even treated with outright contempt. That was not on purpose and I sincerely apologize for that. We've asked you guys to digest a lot of very quick changes and did a suboptimal job at walking beside you during the past month. Dev blogs and test servers and AT interviews and such didn't quite cut it for everything. There is NO contempt against our players.I've witnessed some extreme amounts of exhibited patience for the nastiest of the nasties who have threatened lives, engaged in character assassination and such--and that's because we as developers realize there are a lot of hurt/angry people out there. Features that many players want are ignored, while decisions that are questionable at best are made without regard to the concerns of the community. I won't make excuses for those features we know are much wanted or the ones people want us to go back and "fix". Heck, I want some of them. Soundwave and Eyjo and Dropbear and TonyG and Fallout want them too. BUT, making and designing and creating a game isn't pick and choose, especially when it comes to introducing something like Incarna or devoting significant dev time to rewriting old code backbone so we can grow again in the future. We know the other stuff is wanted. We know Incarna is also wanted and are working towards what many of you have wanted out of it. It just takes time. I don't think that it's too late to save this special little den of internet spaceships and internet spaceship captains; however, this trend cannot go on forever and it has all the signs of fail cascade written all over it. Word. CCP, your players really do care about you and about your game. It would just be nice if the feelings were returned. I could profess my love for each of you and really really mean it. Yes even you back there! But we all know its going to be more about showing you and not just saying it. You realize that you STILL DID NOT HIT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE. Aurum is here to stay? ELABORATE! Because if it's more than vanity, we're done. How is that not abundantly obvious yet?
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [500] Originally by: DethApostle Originally by: Jada Maroo Don't shoot the messenger, peeps. Pann said "I am just the mouthpiece." Pann doesn't make the business plan. Save your anger for the ones who did. You know who they are. Clearly she's the meatshield, the cowards sent out to absorb our rage. She is the bravest CCP employee for sure. AG *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [501] Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. You're missing everything entirely. This isn't about any one issue, or even any small group of issues, the forum rage is about the direction you (and by you I mean ccp) has been taking eve for the last year(s). The sentiments being expressed on the forums in mass now has been a long time in coming, waiting just under the surface. This travesty of an expansion was enough to make it reach critical mass. The recent chain of actions by ccp has without a doubt confirmed that they have zero interest in the wishes of the players, and have in fact forgotten what it is that makes eve a unique and immersive mmo. Back when incarna was first announced, it was made quite clear by both the players and the developers that incarna must be optional. Apparently you (ccp) have forgotten what "optional" means. You were reminded again when CQ was demo'ed, and again when it was up for testing. Yet you ignored it completely and pushed it through. Now it takes you 3 days and 6 pages of threadnaughts to finally realize "oops, I guess they really did mean it when they said it should be optional". Tons of great feedback was given before this patch was released, but you (ccp) blatantly ignored it (see akita's thread about making CQ not hated and also the testserver forum). Several years ago when the idea of microtransactions was toyed with, it was mocked by a large portion of the ccp staff, and almost all of the players. In the event that microtransactiosn ever happened, it was made quite clear that they must never ever effect gameplay other than cosmetics. Now that microtransactions are implemented, there's a leaked internal newletter arguing for gameplay effecting microtransactions. Do you really expect us to have any trust in you (ccp) anymore after blatantly ignoring all of the great feedback about CQ? I honestly will be surprised if I can't buy skillpoints (should I ever resub, I likely won't) for AUR by this time next year. I think that what the playerbase wants to hear to start with is: 1) microtransactions. We need a solid statement that we can hold you (ccp) to about the extent of them and what they'll involve. If your (ccp's) vision is to ultimately make eve a pay to win game, then so be it. Most of us have unsubbed anyway, and the forums are already full of rage, so you don't have much to loose. At least we'll (I'll?) respect you for being honest about it. (even though it took 7 pages full of threadnaughts to get there) 2) Why was the current iteration of CQ released in the state it was in? It was made extremely clear that it needed to be optional, with the hanger view remaining and a "disembark" button in order to move the CQ. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:35:00 - [502] Now I see the kind of behaviour kindergarten teachers have to put up with. I wouldn't even bother trying to placate this mindless throng.
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [503] Originally by: CCP Pann To be perfectly honest, IÆm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade. It's good to see some honesty, I hope that continues Originally by: CCP Pann Again, I know weÆre doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope youÆll bear with me. I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donÆt know me from Adam. I havenÆt earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you û but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches? Again, glad your being honest, and while I don't trust you, right now a neutral feeling may be better than some other CCP people that we downright don't trust right now. Originally by: CCP Pann Like I said, I wonÆt be able to answer all of your questions tonight Can you verify the leaked newsletters authenticity? (if it hasn't already by the time I finish writing this? Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint [...snip...] I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, Your missing, at least from my point of view. There are a lot of player concerns over the price of the store but TBH I couldn't care less because I'll never use them, you may be right on that point, but I would place it at #2 #1 would have to be anger over what we perceive as CCP's attitude towards micro transactions. Specifically, we never wanted them. However, I think most players grudgingly put up with a vanity items only idea. This seems to have turned into (again, from our perception) CCP looking into things like faction standings, more ship fittings to be saved, faction towers? etc that we can all pay for with micro transactions. This is what has me <understatement alert> upset and worried </alert> and is the reason I think most of the player base is up in arms. As for Captains Quarters, I like them and the direction they are going. I've loved the idea of a total sci-fi game, it's one thing that brought me to Eve. There' a bit meh for now, but like I said, good direction. So you can leave that off your plate. Performance issues, same. Eve has always had a pretty low graphics standard and IMO that's a good thing, try to keep it that way. However, I understand that new technology will tax the limits of my hardware more. Again, you can leave that off your plate. I would also encourage you to read my entire post here... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534552&page=59#1760 Yes it's a 2 post long wall of text, but I tried to put all my viewpoints into it. I have a pitchfork in one hand and a torch in the other, I'll try to put one down for now, but... I don't want to call it a warning, I'm trying not to come across with that tone in any of my posts, but I don't think the community right now wants anything other than the absolute truth and no delays. We all know CCP is a business and looks to maximize their profits, those of us with level heads understand that and expect it to a degree. However, we're all in a tuff because we feel this would destroy our game, and most of us don't want to keep playing if that happens. As consumers we have no right to tell you how to run your business, but understand that we have a choice where we spend our money. I hope CCP realizes this. Goodluck Pann, I'm going to go read through the probably 10 pages of reply's that have been posted since I started this.
Zarlis Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [504] Also we would be very interested to know when and how you intent to start "putting chlorine in the pool" to "encourage purchases at your store.
Marius Deterium Crush Kill Destroy	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [505] Originally by: LordElfa Without us, there is no EVE. Don't give us what YOU want, give us what WE want, or else we won't give you anymore money. --- Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
Istyn Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [506] Originally by: CCP Manifest I could profess my love for each of you and really really mean it. Yes even you back there! But we all know its going to be more about showing you and not just saying it. I think the best way of showing it would be to not declare that EVE would never contain microstransactions, only to bring them in as 'vanity only' items (which are game changing in themselves, the 'monocle' is worth 1.3bil, isn't destroyed and can be removed and then resold on the market, enabling the easy hauling of a substantial amount of isk risk-free to market hubs, how is that not game changing?), and then having a newsletter leaked that basically says CCP are now looking at even more game-changing microtransactions, leading many to believe that CCP are now simply using EVE as a beta test for WoD as everyone suddenly loves vampires again.
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [507] I was at the fanfest in 2007. I think that was the first time I heard/saw ideas about what we today know as CQ. Thats 4 years ago!! In 4 years, you have made 1 single room, that is badly optimized, and soon to be mandatory. At the same time not adding one single thing to gameplay. I didn't start playing eve to play dress up barbie in station! If you haven't figured it out by now, I play with CQ turned off. And then the leaked document... Is it the downfall from the volcano ash that has taken effect? Lack of oxygen?
Tus Gallente Kryton Solutions Cognitive Development	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [508] Can we get an answer regarding the leaked newsletter topic of game changing items being added to NeX instead of a sidestep? Also even though I doubt the community will allow this thread to drop off the first page, it should be stickied.
Devinator	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [509] CCP still basically saying: "I don't care! I do what I want! changes are permanent!" This is not going to just blow over. There is a problem with the direction of the game.
Evil Zeb	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:36:00 - [510] Originally by: CCP Manifest were ccp we will do what ever we like and to hell with you lot, shut up and pay we told you all of this, we told you it was a buggy POS, you didnt listern we told you and you ignored everything we have told you about MT and CQ, your ignored it. you just basicly said, 'we will tell you in more detail what we are doing'. but not once did you say we will change any of the **** you have just outraged so many peopel with. you have taken part of the game i love away. guess i wont need all them accounts now as i cant bloody use most of them at once anymore

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Can we get a REFUND of real money for all the PLEX we hold?

Without us, there is no EVE. Don't give us what YOU want, give us what WE want, or else we won't give you anymore money.

Without us, there is no EVE. Don't give us what YOU want, give us what WE want, or else we won't give you anymore money.