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Noceur-01 Tiers
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:44:00 -
[11131]
Interesting, CCP are locking and removing threads now, was in several threads and updated some were removed...
"You are trying to post to a locked thread CONCORD has been notified Continue"
etc.
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Angry Minion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:44:00 -
[11132]
I have 3 accounts, I sell plex every once in a while for extra isk, I am an 05 vet. I always use to say the worst thing that ever happened to Star Wars was George Lucas. Now, I can say the worst thing to ever happen to Eve Online is CCP.
You have 7 days to respond CCP with the right answer.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:45:00 -
[11133]
Well, until they answer the questions. I'm off to buy 20b worth of monocles.
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Vicequeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:45:00 -
[11134]
To add my 2 cents and for statistics sake on this thread, I'll write my not so often voiced opinion.
I'd like to see added content not substituted content! I want my spinning ship back! or at least the possibility of having that option back. I'm not very interested in the Avatar walking so much. If I wanted to play The Sims, I would but not in EVE. I'll wait until the whole in station game-play add-on will come around.
And we must be frank when it comes to buying stuff with RL monies, we already do that by buying PLEX for RL money and selling it for ISK on the eve market. But that's totally different from buying standings and other achievements. That's just wrong and I'm against it.
---Vice
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Big Bad Guy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:46:00 -
[11135]
They could just give us old hangar and promise that there will be no p2w items. ever. that would be a good start. I mean BOTH things, not just what he said in blog. words are words, show us with your actions CCP that you are not just waiting for it to calm down by itself |
kestrael nanahara
Caldari Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:46:00 -
[11136]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I still want to know where in Japan I can buy those $1000 jeans... I've never seen anything that high-priced here, but I guess I don't go to the right stores.
Commoners are not permitted in such stores, you need a monocle to get in
A monocle made... OF DIAMONDS!
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Nikki West
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:46:00 -
[11137]
The blog is extremely underwhelming considering the severity of the situation (and considering it's the second one).
Saying they won't sell "gold ammo" is extremely vague.
CSM meeting is an obvious attempt to stall and wait for things to calm down. Our "demands" are crystal clear.
Sorry to say bit I am still disappointed how CCP is handling this. ---
Free LIANG, Free HELICITY, Free ANGEL HUN |
Ysolde Xen
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:47:00 -
[11138]
A Dev blog of Hot air instead of further napalm is a step forwards at least.
Now we see what CCP does. I await the results of the CSM meeting with extreme interest. -----
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:48:00 -
[11139]
CSM: Find out how many cancelled *g* Oh and take a few pic's of their facial expressions :)
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Mistress Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
[11140]
Scene 1
An Iteron V makes its way thru 0.0 towards high sec. The cargo bay is filled with morphite and t3 stuff from a WH. The relaxed pilot heads towards the last system between him and high sec.
He jumps on contact. At the other side of the gate, hell is waiting for him. Big camp with bubbles and more than 30 ships of all kinds: t2 and t3 ships are ready to insta pop him.
The Iteron pilot smiles. "They don't know what's gonna happen to them now", he thinks. His moment of glory is about to happen, that sweet, sweet vengeance that he could only dream about, before Incarna. But now he has the power. The power or REAL MONEY. Thanks CCP for this moment!
He pops an advantage he bought in Noble market. It costed 300 dollars. Yep, a bit too expensive, like the price of 5 monocles. But this stuff is good stuff. It has nothing to do with vanity. It has to do with RETALIATION, VENGEANCE, HATRED! It's worth every cent.
The Elite Dooms Day device explodes immediately, even with the Iteron V still cloaked at gate. The damage is so intense. It's the damage of real money. All ships in a radius of 300 kms go insta pop. BOOM!!! The fireworks are amazing. The Iteron pilot enjoys every single microsecond of it. The explosion also pods everyone in a radius of 300 Km.
Suddenly the system becames empty. Well, not empty. The Iteron V wasn't affected by the explosion. The pilot allign his ship to the last gate between him and high sec. "Warp drive Active", says Aura. Pilot smiles, he had his retaliation. His moment of glory became true. It no longer belongs to the Kingdom of Dreams. "Thank you very much CCP!!" He thinks. Five minutes later, he docks at station, and falls asleep over the keyboard.
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Ms Michigan
Gallente Aviation Professionals for EVE Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Michigan on 26/06/2011 19:51:53 Get HILMAR out here! ...Let him take the heat for what are his bad business ideas.
*I may marvel at a person who can afford a $1000 pair of pants, but I certainly don't respect them for spending their money that way.
CCP wants us all to quit. This is Hilmar's acceptable loss to alienate the VERY player base that MAKES EVE and replace us with his version of veal cattle.
You people (CCP) may have made the Sandbox we play in... but we ARE THE SANDBOX. We are what make EVE great. We make this game.
FURTHERMORE, it is bad enough we pay monthly already and get CRUDDY PROGRAMMING (HOW MANY EXAMPLES HERE), LAX SECURITY (Cookie-derp/new forums), and POOR LOGIC AT TIMES (GAME BALANCE ISSUES),,,Then you try and pull a fast one on us with this MT bull. You lie.
We still come because we love that EVE and CCP are better companies than 90% of the games/gaming companies out there....but YOU (emphasis on YOU) are making us change our mind on that. You want to act like all the other companies and follow their dumb logic, FINE - act like them and see what happens to the Sandbox. Next thing you know it will be empty of all the great sand castles we built and all the cool kids that made them.
CYA!
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
[11142]
Originally by: Big Bad Guy They could just give us old hangar and promise that there will be no p2w items. ever. that would be a good start. I mean BOTH things, not just what he said in blog. words are words, show us with your actions CCP that you are not just waiting for it to calm down by itself
I think they just did
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Laird MacNaught
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
[11143]
I think everyone needs to settle down about the whole Noble Exchange issues. If certain small number of individuals wish to buy virtual clothing to put on there character than so be it. I feel that the majority of the players of this game will not bother to spend actual currency on such frivolous things.
I think that we have all made our point that we are concerned where the game is seemingly headed. So why don't we all just put our pitchforks and firebrands back into the closet and sit back and watch what happens for a little while. Perhaps then we can gain some perspective on things and enjoy the game again. And lets not forget that dust514 is linked into the rest of the eve universe. So saying that ccp does not care what we have to say is quite naive. They would never let the original game die from people being unhappy about the direction of the game. Even if it is for the simple reason that the source of revenue that funds their dust514 project is eve as it stands right now.
If it comes to pass however that ccp releases certain items onto the aurum market that have an effect on game play such as : ammo, ships, implants , and or SP amounts. Then it is time to break out the firebrands again and demand some changes. Until that day lets just enjoy the game.
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Kilmiester
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ysolde Xen A Dev blog of Hot air instead of further napalm is a step forwards at least.
Now we see what CCP does. I await the results of the CSM meeting with extreme interest.
After you napalm your customers it's pretty hard to do any worse.
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GSXRSquid
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[11145]
I read about all the people who are quitting EvE but when I log on I see over 50,000 people on. More than ever.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[11146]
Originally by: Laird MacNaught
I think that we have all made our point that we are concerned where the game is seemingly headed.
Apparently not because there is one very simple big yellow question in this thread, and he sidestepped it again. Against the CSM's suggestion of using different wording than "gold ammo".
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Julian Kirov
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Kirov on 26/06/2011 19:55:10 Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no ****s about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Laird MacNaught I think everyone needs to settle down about the whole Noble Exchange issues. If certain small number of individuals wish to buy virtual clothing to put on there character than so be it. I feel that the majority of the players of this game will not bother to spend actual currency on such frivolous things.
I think that we have all made our point that we are concerned where the game is seemingly headed. So why don't we all just put our pitchforks and firebrands back into the closet and sit back and watch what happens for a little while. Perhaps then we can gain some perspective on things and enjoy the game again. And lets not forget that dust514 is linked into the rest of the eve universe. So saying that ccp does not care what we have to say is quite naive. They would never let the original game die from people being unhappy about the direction of the game. Even if it is for the simple reason that the source of revenue that funds their dust514 project is eve as it stands right now.
If it comes to pass however that ccp releases certain items onto the aurum market that have an effect on game play such as : ammo, ships, implants , and or SP amounts. Then it is time to break out the firebrands again and demand some changes. Until that day lets just enjoy the game.
Do you wait until Bubba has his d1ck up your a$$ befreo you scream r4pe?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[11149]
Ignore the white knights that think they have a wedge. Nothing has yet changed. We have a step in the right direction, but so far it is still words.
See my sig for more details
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Ze DarkMaster
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
[11150]
Trying to wrap my head around this subject, and the problem I keep facing is the complexity of the eve economic market.
Which seems to me must be the main concern with the introduction of what is practically a new monetary value in eve. This new monetary value deeply links RL money with ingame ISK, as objects can be directly purchased thru plex.
Objects that are spawned by ccp.
There should be no doubt that if and when CCPs investors sees less profits&growth, pressure will be put to increase income. With a limited growth factor in subscribtions, introducing MT seems like a good idea, business-wise. The problem is tho that in order for it to work as a source of increased income for CCP, it will require goods that will have a high demand.
Such high demand can only be created if said object is better than anything else, AND is something people will need to win. Clothes (unless they give bonus's like implants) are not in that group, and will, especially in a spaceship game, be a limited/small market.
The inevitable future of AUR and the noble shop, is P2W. Maybe not today or next year, but whenever investors demand more profits. We cant get away from that now.
The best thing I can think of right now to make it a tad better is:
Make EVERYTHING ever sold in the noble shop, player created. Sure it can be fancy +7 implants, ships with 10 lowslots etc, but as long as some makes it, and gets their share of the "profits" (ie ISK), you (CCP) still sell the plex that breaks down to AUR (it needs tho to go both ways, AUR=>PLEX and AUR<=PLEX), everything should be in order. Spawning expensive things without effort or player interaction isnt good. Clothe BPO, monocle BPO, etc etc. you can create a whole new immersion with the nobleshop for your customers, dont steal that away from us.
As many has said before, pay to win is already in eve, thru plex. Just make sure it doesnt ruin gameplay for anyone not interrested in paying to win, while still keeping the promise to new players that they can be "rich" in game if they stick with the game. Dont forget we ALL already PAY to "win". We pay thru our subscriptions.
If its one thing CCP shoulda learned thru these years is that the player driven ingame economy is a major factor to what makes this game great. Avoiding this market in any object (spawing clothes/ships/standings/etc), you introduce severly threaten this market.
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Anneke Goulet
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[11151]
Originally by: Miilla
Well, until they answer the questions. I'm off to buy 20b worth of monocles.
Dont buy monocles, buy plexes, give those plexes to anyone who admits is paying real money for their eve sub. Tell them to use plex instead for the next month. Congrats, you just costed ccp 15 dollars worth of income if the player in question uses the plex for gametime. One monocle worth of plexes shared to eve players to use as subscription hurts ccp 80 dollars.
Those who are leaving for real good, liquid your isk, buy plexes, toss one plex at each of your friends who are still planning to stay to pay for their gametime. Only way to protest against corporation is to follow via hurting it's income.
Oh and pray there is change in EULA over this, if so those long time subscribers are allowed a refund of their already invested money, hurting CCP even further.
Originally by: EVE EULA
ii. For a Change in the Subscription Fee or Payment Terms If a change in the subscription fee or payment terms is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close all of your Accounts by notifying CCP via electronic mail within thirty (30) days after the later of (a) the date that CCP has posted the change on its website; or (b) the date the change has impacted your Account (e.g., your credit card has been charged). Your notice must state: (i) that you do not agree to the change, specifically describing the change, and request CCP to close all of your Accounts; (ii) your player name and (iii) your login name. You may receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees, prorated as of the effective date of your termination, by sending CCP a request via electronic mail within thirty (30) days of your termination notice. If you continue to access the System or use EVE more than thirty (30) days after the later to occur of (a) or (b) above, without following the termination procedure set forth above, you shall be deemed to have accepted the change and waive your rights to terminate under this section.
iii. For a Change in the EULA If an amendment alters a material term of the EULA that is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Accounts by: (a) clicking the "DECLINE" button when you are prompted to review and agree to the amended EULA; or (b) notifying CCP via electronic mail within thirty (30) days after the amended EULA was communicated to you, provided that you have not clicked the "ACCEPT" button, accessed the System or played the Game during that period. Your notice must state: (i) that you do not agree to the amended EULA, specifically describing the amendment(s) with which you disagree, and request CCP to close all of your Accounts; (ii) your player name and (iii) your login name. You may receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees, prorated as of the effective date of your termination, by sending CCP a request via electronic mail within thirty (30) days of your termination notice. If you click "ACCEPT" or otherwise continue to access the System or play the Game, you shall be deemed to have accepted the amended EULA and waive your rights to terminate under this section."
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[11152]
Originally by: GSXRSquid I read about all the people who are quitting EvE but when I log on I see over 50,000 people on. More than ever.
They canceled subscriptions, not deleted accounts, altho, I wouldn't be surprised if there was quite a few of those instances too. Most of them have month, months or even a year of subscription. Large portion of them was the ones that were shooting monuments and titans in the hubs...
More than ever, because the issue at hand is the breaking/turning point in history of this game.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
[11153]
Originally by: GSXRSquid I read about all the people who are quitting EvE but when I log on I see over 50,000 people on. More than ever.
Record is above 60k, average peak should be around 55k for a Sunday, not all cancelled subscriptions have lapsed yet. Check the numbers next week when the CSM comes back with results (or being a laughingstock). --------
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Kruger81
Caldari draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
[11154]
IMO CCP deserves to see EvE, Dust, and the other crap fall badly. If u **** on the commuity they will **** on you...
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Xeronn
Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
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i supose u all understand that game changing RMT`ed items will mean they`ll change the pvp to be partially consensual or make some items/ships respawnable soon after...they can ignore whines about lost ships but...i doubt they will ignore someone who loses his 400$ toy due to lag or such stuff...
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 -
[11156]
Originally by: Algathas "No gold ammo" is not the same as "no non vanity items". I definitely will not be renewing my subs until a real non-spin answer is given.
this..... I saw nothing in the statement that is a definite answer. just a dance around it w/o actually giving a direct answer yes or no. they are just giving the answer to one or 2 questions per statement w/o answering the direct q's. I hope the CSM can get more direct answers. there is also going to need to be work done on the performance issues with CQ enabled... esp if they continue to insist on removing the option to disable it. I always use at least 2 accounts at once and have zero interest in playing eve with a single account online. so CCP will actually see a fall in subs from the performance issues as well as people cancelling subs because of p2win. I thought CCP wanted more subs... not less.
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north south
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 -
[11157]
Perhaps this makes the light glow from red to orange?
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 -
[11158]
I was banging seven-gram rocks, that's how I roll - #winning
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Ragnar Wintermute
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 -
[11159]
Anyone see this?
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/06/skype-silver-lake-evil/
Just shows how good corporate level people are at trashing up their investments and falling victim to even richer goons.
Investors devaluing their property for a quick sale? Naaaaaaahh.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 -
[11160]
Originally by: Anneke Goulet
Originally by: Miilla
Well, until they answer the questions. I'm off to buy 20b worth of monocles.
Dont buy monocles, buy plexes, give those plexes to anyone who admits is paying real money for their eve sub. Tell them to use plex instead for the next month. Congrats, you just costed ccp 15 dollars worth of income if the player in question uses the plex for gametime. One monocle worth of plexes shared to eve players to use as subscription hurts ccp 80 dollars.
Those who are leaving for real good, liquid your isk, buy plexes, toss one plex at each of your friends who are still planning to stay to pay for their gametime. Only way to protest against corporation is to follow via hurting it's income.
Oh and pray there is change in EULA over this, if so those long time subscribers are allowed a refund of their already invested money, hurting CCP even further.
Originally by: EVE EULA
ii. For a Change in the Subscription Fee or Payment Terms If a change in the subscription fee or payment terms is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close all of your Accounts by notifying CCP via electronic mail within thirty (30) days after the later of (a) the date that CCP has posted the change on its website; or (b) the date the change has impacted your Account (e.g., your credit card has been charged). Your notice must state: (i) that you do not agree to the change, specifically describing the change, and request CCP to close all of your Accounts; (ii) your player name and (iii) your login name. You may receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees, prorated as of the effective date of your termination, by sending CCP a request via electronic mail within thirty (30) days of your termination notice. If you continue to access the System or use EVE more than thirty (30) days after the later to occur of (a) or (b) above, without following the termination procedure set forth above, you shall be deemed to have accepted the change and waive your rights to terminate under this section.
iii. For a Change in the EULA If an amendment alters a material term of the EULA that is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Accounts by: (a) clicking the "DECLINE" button when you are prompted to review and agree to the amended EULA; or (b) notifying CCP via electronic mail within thirty (30) days after the amended EULA was communicated to you, provided that you have not clicked the "ACCEPT" button, accessed the System or played the Game during that period. Your notice must state: (i) that you do not agree to the amended EULA, specifically describing the amendment(s) with which you disagree, and request CCP to close all of your Accounts; (ii) your player name and (iii) your login name. You may receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees, prorated as of the effective date of your termination, by sending CCP a request via electronic mail within thirty (30) days of your termination notice. If you click "ACCEPT" or otherwise continue to access the System or play the Game, you shall be deemed to have accepted the amended EULA and waive your rights to terminate under this section."
So with my 20 billion worth of PLEX; they're just going to roll over and hand me a refund for 4 years gametime LOL. Wouldn't that be nice (for PLEX stockpilers).
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