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Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:51:00 -
[11761]
CCP Zulu's nonblog indicated there'd be no further comment from CCP on the MT issue until the CSM meeting.
So basically they told us to go **** ourselves and take the yellow question with us.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:51:00 -
[11762]
Edited by: Jaik7 on 27/06/2011 07:52:53
Originally by: Jared Tobin
Originally by: Jaik7 how do i run a check on jared tobin to see if he's posted before and how old his corp/alliance is? because if this is his first post and the corp/alliance are new, this sounds like the ccp alt that you guys mentioned.
if someone does not list "MT denial" as the number one need in this game, then he is either uniformed, a troll, or has an illigetamite agenda
If you play Eve, sure you can look me up ingame as well as outside. Been around 3+ years. Never been to Iceland, and "agenda" when writing a message? Paranoia be with you...
I'll stick with Issues, Feedback, submitting endless petitions and even more irritatingly non-responded-to bug reports. Gee, do I sound like a damn CCP employee?
I just didn't (and won't) read through 11,000+ messages... especially if that's what I see immediately after posting.
i'm sorry for the skepticism, but i've had quite enough of CCP, and wouldnt put much past them at this point.
so you don't find it disturbing that no CCP empooyee could come out and say "No MT for game affecting items"? the "no golden bullets" does not count for me, because i know lawyerspeak when i see it.
three bits of literature that you'll find scattered around, which solidified my opinion of CCP:
1) the letter from Hilmar saying they wernt listening to us. 2) the two blogs by Zulu which danced around the issue of Micro Transactions 3) a video presentation put out by a part of EA that calls itself Easy, about the benefits of switching to a MT payment method
the rage you see here is resultant from that, in addition to the several promises of "no MT" plus the results that showed 70% of eve survey participants did not want anything to do with MT. you get these surveys in your mail every once in a while. these things convinced me to cancel two accounts to eve online and buy a month of Perpetuum.
note, i have no problem with Incarna, it is sort of meh for me. not a landmark expansion in my book, but a step in the direction they've been promising for a long while. i unsubbed over the refusal to say "We will not introduce MT into EVE for real items."
again, sorry about paranoia, but i feel that i am justified.
edit, as the guy above me said, they have not answered the "yellow question" which is p[osted throughout this thread
Originally by: CCP Shadow The trolls have been vanquished.
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:56:00 -
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Score, don't spike.
Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)
If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy -
Coffee the Elixir of Life.
CAS 101
Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle??? How about Microscope and Coats for ISK. |
Danalee
Minmatar Allmost Clueless
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:00:00 -
[11764]
Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's over.
Took us longer than what was to be expected.
See you all next week!
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Crye MultiCam
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:01:00 -
[11765]
Quote:
Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.
"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."
Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.
Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.
Isn't it conveniently odd that the sacrificial lamb happened to be a female with 'family issues', preventing her from continuing the PR dialogue?
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Score, don't spike.
Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)
If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy
If you wanna cancel extra hard, buy plex with isk, then give them to a player that is staying, and that you can trust to turn it in for game time.
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 08:05:31
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Akashwani CEO
Akashwani
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:04:00 -
[11768]
The Thread.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:08:00 -
[11769]
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Score, don't spike.
Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)
If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy
If you wanna cancel extra hard, buy plex with isk, then give them to a player that is staying, and that you can trust to turn it in for game time.
Oh **** you just gave me a great idea.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:09:00 -
[11770]
CCP touched me in BAD PLACES.
The doll did not like it.
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Martha Jove
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:10:00 -
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:14:00 -
[11772]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc
lol just saw this for the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:15:00 -
[11773]
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Kaaeliaa
Originally by: Arvir Aris
IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
This is no longer a threadnought. This has passed the threshhold into armathreaddon.
Threadgendary Armathreddon?
This thread is beyond any title.
It is now simply --- The Thread ---
Supported.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Sandunina
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:16:00 -
[11774]
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Score, don't spike.
Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)
If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy
If you wanna cancel extra hard, buy plex with isk, then give them to a player that is staying, and that you can trust to turn it in for game time.
Yeah making them more rl cash will hit them in the face.
The only thing that really going to help is to to unsubscribe in masses. But we all know this will not happen as everyone thinks that the other guy should do so.
What¦s next?
Your personal/corp/alliance success will depend on lots of guys that got the money and the will to spend it for internet spaceship items.
It started with monocles, goes on to standings and finally you will be able to buy an insurance that will give back your lost ship in a system of your choice. For only 50 bucks. Better than loosing a titan etc.
Imho I would not be surprised if there were a fight between the Dust guys who want to go Sony and the EvE guys who don¦t want to. I reckon Sony wants all or nothing. So who will win? Would explain very well the "leaked" documents and the cryptic Sony announcement you can read on evenews24. Selling the full package would explain the need of a short term revenue increase attempt to raise the overall price.
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Kruger81
Caldari draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:18:00 -
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T20, POS incident, and now this... And let's not forget not fixing key game fetures that are broke; FacWar, ship/mod balance, and more... What do CCP do... Trow more bling at us...
And some ppl still trust CCP...
I am not paying CCP for a game are flawed, and to a company that show no repect for their customers. If you buy magazine subscription, and get half a magazine, you complain, and get a FU, do you still pay em?
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:18:00 -
[11776]
Edited by: Azelor Delaria on 27/06/2011 08:20:17
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 27/06/2011 03:00:00
Originally by: Vandrion 1--trolls----- sorry, all the usual suspects are screaming about MT and Incarna 2--Dev Alts---- It has been done before.... 3--Paid forum flunkies---- happens all the time.. Companies hire PR firms to trash competitors or hype their own products... 4-- Kool-Aid drinkers---- even these guys no better then to jump into this crap-storm.....
Yep, could be. We'll never know for sure one way or another. All we know is, CCP is a corporation and its behavior, not like the independent production house of yesterday, but of a wannabe Mega Corp.
And we all know how much trust they engender.
Actually, there are federal laws on the books that if you demand information from a company pertaining to, say, records (in this case, developer alt), then they must provide the information. I'm finishing up the first draft of my official request, citing United States federal code. They'd be required to respond to my request and provide the data, or face some serious repercussions in the United States, to include not being able to allow U.S. players to play the game.
EDIT: Demands must be with-in reason, of course. No demanding information such as source code. ***** ***** ***** *****
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:19:00 -
[11777]
Originally by: Sandunina
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Score, don't spike.
Nothing is going to happen before the meeting. Let cooler heads prevail and again, if you are really wanting to make an impact, you must cancel and if you want to cancel extra hard biomass em like I did (after donating to eve radio)
If they fix this mess, resub, no harm no foul if not, I'll see ya in Perpetuum and/or Black Prophecy
If you wanna cancel extra hard, buy plex with isk, then give them to a player that is staying, and that you can trust to turn it in for game time.
Yeah making them more rl cash will hit them in the face.
The only thing that really going to help is to to unsubscribe in masses. But we all know this will not happen as everyone thinks that the other guy should do so.
What¦s next?
Your personal/corp/alliance success will depend on lots of guys that got the money and the will to spend it for internet spaceship items.
It started with monocles, goes on to standings and finally you will be able to buy an insurance that will give back your lost ship in a system of your choice. For only 50 bucks. Better than loosing a titan etc.
Imho I would not be surprised if there were a fight between the Dust guys who want to go Sony and the EvE guys who don¦t want to. I reckon Sony wants all or nothing. So who will win? Would explain very well the "leaked" documents and the cryptic Sony announcement you can read on evenews24. Selling the full package would explain the need of a short term revenue increase attempt to raise the overall price.
The PLex is already paid for. I will let you work the rest out for yourself.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:19:00 -
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Everytime someone meantions FW now I die a lil inside.
If only they had given us 6 months with working plex mechanic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Bogran
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:22:00 -
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Dear csm,
there are 2 main issues for me and i want answers to both.
will there be in game advantages/items/mods/ships sold through the MT store?
will CQ be made optional like they said it would be?
both issues are game breaking as far as im concerned
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:22:00 -
[11780]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
... Actually, there are federal laws on the books that if you demand information from a company pertaining to, say, records ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc
EULA they try to put it under Iceland law (which they own) and wieve the UN Convention on Contracts.
Dodgy but they'll play that on you for 5-10 years before someone says it's not right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:23:00 -
[11781]
Hooray! I know where I'm going
Have to wait till my sub expires though as afking around the Jita monument for 14+ hours a day kinda sucks up some bandwidth
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
... Actually, there are federal laws on the books that if you demand information from a company pertaining to, say, records ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc
EULA they try to put it under Iceland law (which they own) and wieve the UN Convention on Contracts.
Dodgy but they'll play that on you for 5-10 years before someone says it's not right.
Problem being any product sold or manufactured in the United States by foreign entities must abide by United States federal law, just as our manufacturers must abide by foreign law (wages and the like) if they outsource. So they can't hide behind their EULA on this one. As long as one can prove that the court holds personal jurisdiction in the case, it's fine. ***** ***** ***** *****
"No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy." |
kari bourza
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:31:00 -
[11783]
[/URL]
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UKDuck
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:33:00 -
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I think the whole thing is symptomatic of a much larger thing going on ...... no ... even larger than that ....... Every business trys to grow, seeking empire status, more money and 'power', and as it grows, as it gets bigger its ethics and listening capability reduce, conversely its 'appetite', dehumanizing and money orientation grows by the same measure.
Its called the 'Blind Monster Syndrome'. You have much more complex systems and much more paper work, everything becomes indirectly disjointed and statistics take over, because its the cheap way, glancing because every penny saved is sooo crucial. Its like having a body and the neural networks not evolving 'quick' enough. Paper work takes control, its not concious, common sense 'booted out', it consumes in a downward spiral .....
Very very few folk throughout all history have been able to muster the virtues enough to defend against the negative side of OUR genetic heritage. 'Reactions' within its own system increase till the empire crumbles one day ..
I DO NOT want EVE to crumble ... upto this point CCP has done an outstanding job. DUST was an amazing move never seem before. Clever and well directed.
But the weight, the intense pressure to 'perform' like a circus, has begun to corrupt the clarity and direction.
Of course the even bigger Blind Monsters want to BUY YOU OUT (don't they) so you have to apply disgraceful corporate measures, jump through hoops, do as you are told and dont ask questions, 'please' the share holders etc etc etc. Stop 'saluting' each other in a fawning way. VANITY is an anti virtue, its example is like the flu. The game worlds and life are inextricably linked whether we like or know it (by the way, using the "what is reality" as a tool rather than a philosophy is plain cruel). The 'Monster' WILL take you if you let it!
Stand up for your selves, BE individual, THINK, be thoughtFULL and mindFULL.
Remember .. the WHOLE Galaxy is watching very closely
LOVE to ALL
Duck
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:35:00 -
[11785]
Edited by: Manos Heimenbarger on 27/06/2011 08:36:17
Originally by: Crye MultiCam
Quote:
Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.
"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."
Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.
Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.
Isn't it conveniently odd that the sacrificial lamb happened to be a female with 'family issues', preventing her from continuing the PR dialogue?
It's a really freaky coincidence at least.
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kestrael nanahara
Caldari Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger Edited by: Manos Heimenbarger on 27/06/2011 08:36:17
Originally by: Crye MultiCam
Quote:
Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.
"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."
Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.
Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.
Isn't it conveniently odd that the sacrificial lamb happened to be a female with 'family issues', preventing her from continuing the PR dialogue?
It's a really freaky coincidence at least.
Whatever ignore that Hilmar is the great enemy: NEVER FORGET
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:37:00 -
[11787]
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger
Originally by: Crye MultiCam
Quote:
Yeah the post was made before the leak of the email that basically said.
"Act like you care and lie to them we are going to do what we want anyway."
Her comments it turns out where nothing but empty pure PR spin****.
Smoke and mirrors game she was playing on the plebs on behalf of CCP.
It's a really freaky coincidence at least. Isn't it conveniently odd that the sacrificial lamb happened to be a female with 'family issues', preventing her from continuing the PR dialogue?
You can skip the family tragedy part. That I do feel for.
But that no one was there to take over was very unprofessional.
Stinks of they never planned to care. Then the email broke and it showed that everyone fear was real. They never planned to listen to us anyway. So it was just them trying to fluff the player base with a placebo PR stunt.
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Vixxen Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:40:00 -
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From the massively article
been reading through the comments over on the Perpetuum and I'm pretty sure CCP is ****ed. not because I see a bunch of ****ed off people drama quitting, but because I see a lot of relief in people's voices. this isn't an angry mob storming off to the pub until they get tired and go back, this is a bunch of refugees desperate for shelter.
outside of "Hay, I'm from EVE too: please don't sell monocles!" virtually no one is talking about where they came from, most of what is being said is "let us know when the server cap is lifted" and questions about how the game works.
... and not just questions about the controls, questions on the details of mastering Perpetuum. These people are serious about not going back to EVE.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 08:41:08
Originally by: kestrael nanahara Whatever ignore that Hilmar is the great enemy: NEVER FORGET
LEAVE HILMAR ALONE!!! (In my best mimic voice)
Really. He just lacks a bit of balls when dealing with these *ruthless* financial people he has all around him.
It lays in his lap, but it's not really his fault.
Do yourself a favour, background check each of the CCPgames board of directors and the shell companies invested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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SoleuqS
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:42:00 -
[11790]
Vanity Only !
And uh, could it be possible to have some kind of a button we could click in order to go into our CQ ? ATM CQ are either on or off, and keeping them on when you have to dock/undock is really a pain, but on the other hand, once you do have some time and would want to go around and mess in your CQ, well you have to undock, activate the option, and dock, and wait for the CQ to load ....
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