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Crash Enburn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 -
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There have been good summaries of the current issues for CCP who clearly do not read there own forums or 3rd party news sites run by members of their community.
For me personally this is not the whole issue, it is just the tipping point. The last expansion that I was excited about was Apocrypha. New systems to explore, pvp or to carebear in. It captured, for me at least, the essence of what internet spaceships should be.
Since then CCP have gradually progressed from delivering expansions that (by and large) didn't excite anyone to expansions that made many people downright unhappy like the current one. CCP progressed from empty promises of features that players cared about (t3 ships, faction war changes, assault frig ballancing) to ignoring desperate calls from their community for excellence to now downright lying to them about features they don't want.
CCP Pann, I can only speculate that more players see this as a tipping point after a period of gradually declining relations between CCP and the community. If, by some miracle, you succeed in dealing with the current concerns of your player base you may just discover that it is too late to regain the goodwill of the community that CCP have destroyed bit by bit over the last few years.
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:52:00 -
[11822]
Originally by: DERT2
Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Developer
First of all we'd like to welcome the influx of new players to .... Online. The sheer number of new players caught us by surprise, and we're working around the clock to accommodate each and every one of you.
However the number of players connected to our server has highlighted a previously unknown issue in the relay server to which every player is connected. The server team is working on fixing the issue as we speak, but for the time being a temporary limit on the user count has been set up. Once the current issue has been fixed we expect to be able to run without a user count limitation as this is not a hardware but a previously unknown software problem. (In fact most of the servers are running at 1-5% capacity except for the relay)
We ask that you bear with us during the coming days until we can resolve this issue.
Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Player
In any event, coming from EvE it is nice to see Devs and GMs in the Help and general channels and being extra responsive to player base. I also like the mechanics of the game so far and the familiarity of it coming from that other MMO.
Good job. Keep on doing a good job and players will reward you with years of subscription fees!
Congrats CCP. You win the year of benevolent MMO games Company prize. Because of , You give your players to another MMO.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:53:00 -
[11823]
Originally by: Elayae Interesting presentation. http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win There are however 2 big differences here:
- EVE did not start as a free to play model - EVE has a player driven economy -> the new micro transactions shops with items will compete with real businesses that have been set up by players in EVE -> Many businesses in EVE will loose income for they are competing with these shops everywhere -> the shops cannot be driven away by regular in game business PVP methods, I cannot wardecc them, block them or destroy or bankrupt them -> the shops take away fun from the players with 100% business professions in EVE
Problems can be addressed if the basic items come from the player driven economy which are then changed in the shop using blueprints and what not to a new upgraded item. If not then economic activities done by the players are taken out of the game and replaced by these micro transactions shops.
Excellent synopsis of what is wrong with CCP's current iteration of MT items. Now if the new MT store gave out 1 run BPC's for In Game advantage items (and thus needed normal EVE economy goods to be manufactured) the issue would be MUCH less contentious.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:53:00 -
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This is officially a MOMthread
guys you can't compare EVe to other games, most users have but an insane amount of effort to get where they are now. especially the old guys (5 - 7 years characters) which are holding this community together, with organizing events, providing awesome services.
There is no need everyone quitting, it's enough to have the 5 % main MANDATORY users quit, and the failscascade is perfect.
o7
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:58:00 -
[11825]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria Here
Just wrote this up on the forums of a technology e-mag I read daily. :)
I noticed two major problems there. 1) I "play to win". However, the "pay to win" approach is unacceptable. 2) You reference RMT more than once. RMT is irrelevant to The Protest.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:04:00 -
[11826]
Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 10:04:41
Quittings affect Eve harder than a normal MMO, why? Because of the MULTIPLE ACCOUNT ISSUE.
Any other game can absorb player churn, Eve finds that harder as say for example, 10,000 players leave out of suppostid 300,000 accounts, well that in reality translates to between 2 to 8x the actual number, so that 10,000 players leaving really means 20,000 or 80,000. That is a bigger hit.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 -
[11827]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:05:36
Originally by: Teako
Originally by: DERT2
Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Developer
First of all we'd like to welcome the influx of new players to .... Online. The sheer number of new players caught us by surprise, and we're working around the clock to accommodate each and every one of you.
However the number of players connected to our server has highlighted a previously unknown issue in the relay server to which every player is connected. The server team is working on fixing the issue as we speak, but for the time being a temporary limit on the user count has been set up. Once the current issue has been fixed we expect to be able to run without a user count limitation as this is not a hardware but a previously unknown software problem. (In fact most of the servers are running at 1-5% capacity except for the relay)
We ask that you bear with us during the coming days until we can resolve this issue.
Originally by: Another MMO Forum-Player
In any event, coming from EvE it is nice to see Devs and GMs in the Help and general channels and being extra responsive to player base. I also like the mechanics of the game so far and the familiarity of it coming from that other MMO.
Good job. Keep on doing a good job and players will reward you with years of subscription fees!
Congrats CCP. You win the year of benevolent MMO games Company prize. Because of , You give your players to another MMO.
CCP had the same problem with the proxy to the auth server. Takes some tweaking, gotta strip out all the extra crap.
They also have proxies to load-balanced proxies, hardware out front.
Can probably get some cheap hardware from em in a few weeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Ammi84
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 -
[11828]
What the **** is wrong with CCP, pay to win? LoL. I will certainly unsubscribe!
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:06:00 -
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I wonder if mangement at CCP wants to learn. Or they still think we are all stupid kids. And any comminuty issue should just be laughed away and joked about. Because those players sure dont know whats good for them, right? --------------------------------------
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:07:00 -
[11830]
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Azelor Delaria Here
Just wrote this up on the forums of a technology e-mag I read daily. :)
I noticed two major problems there. 1) I "play to win". However, the "pay to win" approach is unacceptable.
I have a lot of typos in it. I should have put it into Microsoft Word before like I normally do with something like this. I'll fix it. :)
Quote: 2) You reference RMT more than once. RMT is irrelevant to The Protest.
Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT. ***** ***** ***** *****
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:07:00 -
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CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".
So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk. <-- THIS
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 -
[11832]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT.
Yup MT = RMT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 -
[11833]
Originally by: Miilla
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable".
So, they shouldn't have to bother with us at all and just deploy the system and items full speed ahead.
I think we hit that "metric" that puts WoD at risk. <-- THIS
It sucks... Eve was the best game ever, and a simple straight and... well correct answer to the big yellow question would have avioded all of this...
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:10:00 -
[11834]
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:13:00 -
[11835]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Azelor Delaria Here
Just wrote this up on the forums of a technology e-mag I read daily. :)
I noticed two major problems there. 1) I "play to win". However, the "pay to win" approach is unacceptable.
I have a lot of typos in it. I should have put it into Microsoft Word before like I normally do with something like this. I'll fix it. :)
Quote: 2) You reference RMT more than once. RMT is irrelevant to The Protest.
Incorrect. RMT actually has a lot to do with it. It's the base of what is going on. They lied to us about it, and they refuse to give a solid answer as to what they will provide with this new "service". Yes, we're ****ed they're lying to us, but it all boils down to RMT.
Please help me out with a more detailed explanation of how RMT, or using botting to create immense amounts of ISK with a goal of transforming that ISK into RL money, is directly tied to the 'pay to win' issue.
(Sincere request, not a jab. I just can't see it yet.)
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Tegrah
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cap Tyrian Edited by: Cap Tyrian on 27/06/2011 09:29:26
The community is a more mature one, thus not forced to spend time in front of a video game. Battlefield and F2P players are often school kids who socialise over a video game, quitting is hardly an option. School kids are often "p-ckoc*s" to show off they are better then the poor kids.
New ÇÇP seem to have forgotten this, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing Dev blogs full of political double speak and weasel words most of us can see straight through.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 -
[11837]
Originally by: Miilla
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.
Jesus this is painful but I think I actually agree with this .
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:17:00 -
[11838]
Edited by: Shintai on 27/06/2011 10:17:30 Now I know why the blogs take so long time to write...
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Wakeland
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:20:00 -
[11839]
It's a sad state this has come to. And to think, CCP essentially had a monopoly on the Space/Sc-Fi MMO genre. Instead of keeping that monopoly and running with it and making it the best game they could, the best space game out there, they opted for Space-Sims and Vampire-WoW. Very sad.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:22:00 -
[11840]
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Miilla
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.
Jesus this is painful but I think I actually agree with this .
it's difficult to disagree
welcome back Miilla - can't believe I'm saying this - but we actually missed you. The ONE question keeps getting drowned by players with concerns ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:23:00 -
[11841]
Originally by: Miilla
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.
Sadly this is probably kinda close to the truth. But the bad thing is that WoD will probably not make it.. CCP is now known for Theampark fun.. and I dont think they will do WoD justice.. In the RPG format WoD is very close to what EvE is today.. its politics and Intrigue.. But if the make it as a dam Theampark people will not play...
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:27:00 -
[11842]
Originally by: Miilla stuff
Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 -
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been posting on the perpetuum forums. they've taken a lot of notice of all the refugees. on the whole, the residents have been very friendly and helpful. moreover, i can see the names of devs in various chat windows, including the one made by/for eve refugees. they can show up in game and respond personally to the people who have been playing their game for less than a day, while the ccp guys can't be bothered to respond to riots, and The Thread, and massive cancelations
Originally by: CCP Shadow The trolls have been vanquished.
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ni u
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 -
[11844]
Originally by: Miilla
Think of the CSM as a baby passifier to keep the customers entertained with the illusion of them being important, as their purpose is to fund CCP's WoW, called WoD.
That's how CCP sees them, that is how I see them. It is called REALITY.
Eve is that child in the family that will always get 2nd attention to their prize baby, WoD. Eve is reaching its lifespan and they are going to jump to WoD and then stick Eve on life support, but one can argue Eve is on life support already. It is obvious, non commitment to features, just enough to get the funding in place (Incarna is a Trojan Horse for that) then once that is in, that it is purpose. Don't expect much more features outside of that track for Eve in future.
Think of Incarna as a TROLLEY DASH around the mall in a competition to get the highest revenue. It's called a BOOST. You go for the BIG ONE, thieves use it in stores, called a BOOSTER BAG, and hit the store HARD, not one or 2 items in the pockets, a HUGE BLOODY METAL TINFOIL BAG and BOOST IT, one massive HIT.
Eve is not CCP's premium product, World of Darkness will be their premium product in their portfolio. Eve is simply a financial tool to get there. Incarna the vehicle for a revenue BOOST. Eve is eight years old, taht is ancient, competitors are comming out, newer. Eve will get more expensive to play, by stealth. Eve is a test bed for Carbon and MT for their premium products in the pipeline.
The reason for all this rage now, is because customers (players) are only NOW starting to REALISE THIS. Some have been saying this for years, they where bashed. Well they were right.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:30:00 -
[11845]
GOOSE EGG
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GOOSE CARCASS
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:33:00 -
[11846]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miilla stuff
Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.
Totally forgot about EVE Gate (69 unread mails - sorry chaps)
Why don't they send ban warnings to EVE Mail?
"Hi, Marcus Vorenius
You have received a notice regarding the post below which appeared in our forum on 22/06/2011 18:52:32. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. Please avoid insulting posts, or posts designed to anger other players. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges.
We encourage you to review the Forum Rules found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_Rules . Please feel free to contact us if you have questions about the guidelines or this notice.
The EVE Forum Moderator Team
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534389
<out of character post content goes here> ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:36:00 -
[11847]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 10:37:27
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius re:trolling
A little odd, you don't seem to be too full-on.
For now forums are pretty much on "leave them alone" mode until they ban us all to keep complaints down.
Unless CSM convinces them they need every last vocal player they can find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:37:00 -
[11848]
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miilla stuff
Hey check your eve-gate mail, wanna say something but don't wanna say it here.
Totally forgot about EVE Gate (69 unread mails - sorry chaps)
Why don't they send ban warnings to EVE Mail?
"Hi, Marcus Vorenius
You have received a notice regarding the post below which appeared in our forum on 22/06/2011 18:52:32. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. Please avoid insulting posts, or posts designed to anger other players. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges.
We encourage you to review the Forum Rules found at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_Rules . Please feel free to contact us if you have questions about the guidelines or this notice.
The EVE Forum Moderator Team
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534389
<out of character post content goes here>
Eve gate another thing no one wanted that they forced on us.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 -
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I actually like old WoD and had planned to try the MMO when it was released. It is safe to say that WoD themepark will now never be installed on my computer, I will also avoid Dust like the plague.
I still don't know how to deal with this MT crap we have going in Eve. Incarna is the symbol for MT and it ****es me off that I might be forced to look at that symbol instead of the hangar. I can't really see what CCP can do (that people trust) that will make a lot of players not leave the game or cancel some of their subs. It is even harder to get disappointed people not saying what they think about CCP to others. The situation is quite sad even if it is earned.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:39:00 -
[11850]
Originally by: RougeOperator Eve gate another thing no one wanted that they forced on us.
Shockingly poorly implemented.
Surprised they actually managed to get it to a deployable state.
That web team is one which got in by "talking the talk" as spoken about in the employee reviews. So easy to talk big about Web2.0 stuff, managers eat it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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