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Chandler Urandom
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Scubato
Not true at all to be honest. I'm simply seeking official confirmation before I proceed with any account cancellations. Nothing more. I have no interest in drama, I'm only interested in facts and planned direction. I think most are as well frankly.
Huh? Somewhere there were a failure in communication. I was hinting about Question dodging directed at CCP.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Harelip Jenkins
Originally by: CCP Manifest
The designs we will implement in game will not **** over the sandbox.
Is that supposed to be your answer to the question of whether or not you'll be able to buy non-vanity items with RMT?
Sad part is, MT of this nature, even if it is just vanity, does impact the sandbox. Vanity impacts will be somewhat mitigated over the long term by the natural effects of marginal utility and eventual substitution by second hand goods. But they do have an impact, it is just more difficult to precisely pin down the manifestations versus the impacts of non-vanity.
The most likely manifestation perhaps could have been the price of PLEX it self, and that assumption may likely have been the deciding factor in Nex prices.
Post 72 of this thread makes the suggestion, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532667
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mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:28:00 -
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The worst part about the whole CQ/MT thing is this:
CCP have been harping on about Walking in Stations for years. CQ/WiS by being forced upon the players (the opt out option has CLEARLY been stated to be temporary) can almost certainly be inferred to be about nothing but forcing the players to look at dolls. The only purpose of this within the premise and mechanics of EvE is to drive MT sales.
This means that way back in '07 and FanFest '08 when they were really hyping this nonsense, the plans were already in the works to begin fleecing the masses via the 'feature' They knew all along this is where things were headed, and lied to us the whole way through. Those who were around then may also note that this change in attitude pretty handily coincided with the acquisition of WW, and the WoD IP. Many of those who were at FanFest '08 made the connection then about Eve being the beta for, and source of funding of the WoD game.
This is not a sudden change of heart for CCP. Looking back, the writing has been on the wall for years, they just did an excellent job of astroturfing it, until this massive fumble.
If we want change, we truly have to stick with the fight on this, and be willing to walk away if they aren't willing to reason. The ONLY thing that matters here is $$
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Pann ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>.
Really.
Quote: Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
No.
Quote: As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.
Did you miss the 75 page threadnaught over "Greed Is Good"? Here, let me link it for you: http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v. I will continue to link it everywhere until the situation is resolved to my satisfaction, my accounts expire, or I am banned. It is very disrespectful of your customers, and outlines a strong desire by the Lead Game Designer of Flying In Space to make the entire game -- including PVP -- revolve around paying $10 for a new set of Noble autocannons every week.
With regards to the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.... that's just pants on head stupid ******ed ****.
Quote: Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters.
I have to admit, I was extremely underwhelmed. Go play Mass Effect and visit the strip club. This is what I want for my CQ, if I must have one. Furthermore, I don't want to see my CQ unless I want to see my CQ. There's no content in it for someone that wants to blow **** up in space and most of the time I'm docked its to switch ships not **** with the ****ing couch.
Also, running... heard of it? **** man, total disappointment.
Quote: Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.
NO ****ING ****. Having CQ (and Incarna) be optional would be a great start. After that, maybe hiring artists who have experience would be a good start. (See twitter conversations for details, or talk to Hesperius).
Quote: I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing
Threadnaught and leaked newsletter? Comments?
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If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
I have been a "pillar of the community" for years... but you guys are ****ing with my hobby. I get angry when you **** with my hobby. You guys are ****ing with the future of my favorite game company. STOP THE MADNESS DAMMIT. Microtransactions for in game benefit are going to ruin this game.
-Liang
CCP: When Liang Nuren is satisfied that this issue is resolved, and it takes a lot to make him as angry as he is, then I might be too.
I said "might". Right now I'm past angry. After that comes apathy, and apathy doesn't pay your salaries. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 9 days. |
Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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CCP Pann where are you? Which post are you on. We want answers. Even if it is to show your awake still.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 24/06/2011 03:29:39 Not that it will happen, but if there was any way to cut back on expenses on things that are not core EVE and begin scaling back what CCP has grown into, that would probably be one of the best ways to get financial stability and control back in place.
Originally by: Salpun CCP Pann where are you? Which post are you on. We want answers. Even if it is to show your awake still.
Pann really can't answer anything, and she knows as much, said as much, did what she could and left gracefully. I thank her for that. ______________________________
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Sabre A
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nizran L'Crit I realize this response is going to be lost in this mother-of-all-threads, but here goes.
Hilmar needs to take his happy ass and sit at a computer for 2 or 3 days doing nothing but talking to everyone on the forums. Furthermore, there needs to be communication between our savior, the great J.T. and Hilmar IN FORUMS SO WE CAN ALL SEE THE DISCUSSION, where he explains in a language that corrupt, money grubbing, has-been developer, bosses can understand.
CCP Soundwave and Hilmar need to ACTIVELY show us that they're listening and that they actually give a damn about this community, because, what I am seeing now is ALMOST a contempt for the EVE community because they have bigger and better projects now that will bring more revenue, so what we are going to do is leech every penny we possibly can out of this community before it burns so we can use that for other projects.
Plain and simple, we want the people responsible for this to communicate with us DIRECTLY....YESTERDAY. I understand you're a PR person, but that chance hascome and gone. People are out for blood and the only people we want to hear from are the ones responsible for this travesty.
Read my mind
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Scubato
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chandler Urandom
Originally by: Scubato
Not true at all to be honest. I'm simply seeking official confirmation before I proceed with any account cancellations. Nothing more. I have no interest in drama, I'm only interested in facts and planned direction. I think most are as well frankly.
Huh? Somewhere there were a failure in communication. I was hinting about Question dodging directed at CCP.
My mistake, apologies, I'm reading 3 threads atm in 2 forums this has become untrackable. Signing off.
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S'Way
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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I think most of the playerbase want some sort of guarantee that the NeX store will not go beyond vanity items. The day you can buy things that give you benefits in combat (yes I think there's a game about spaceships in here somewhere still), a lot more will be unsubscribing.
I'd also like to ask why the NeX store items - while stupidly overpriced are also slightly sexist. Example - womens boots 2,400 yet mens boots 1,000 Womens skirts - 3,600 yet mens trousers 3,000
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stonewall ironwill
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunk The whole CQ fiasco has one very clear side effect that has been rarely mentioned so far.
It is a distraction from the core of the game. Eve needs constant attention with balancing and bug fixes. I appreciate you're going to say that there are teams of people at CCP managing different tasks and so unrelated aspects such as bug fixes and balancing are unaffected. But this is not true, I believe their time would be better spent elsewhere and when the forums catch fire like the last few days then everybody is distracted.
To mention 2 of the most obvious Moon distribution Supercaps
Now don't misunderstand, I'm in an alliance that has valuable moons and a reputation for supercaps, but even I can appreciate they both need looking at. That said, I obviously don't want the people who came up with the vanity item pricing scheme to go anywhere near that stuff. You have to appreciate the people responsible for that stuff are clearly out of touch.
But it is deeply concerning that important issues that affect day to day playing of the game are sidelined by all this terrible nonsense. I would hope there will be somekind of internal review as a result of this with a close look at staff competency. I hope the last few days have shown how out of touch they have become.
1) I don't actually care about vanity items. The day they start affecting gameplay or alter the value of ISK I'm going to start caring a lot though. I do not want to ever buy them. I do not want to feel I have to buy them. I don't want to be disadvantaged by not having them.
2) I'm concerned that the Noble Store and walking in stations is dominating too much developing time that should be spent elsewhere.
3) I do not use walking in stations, but accept that others may like it. I do not want to have to load it though. I want the related engine mechanics to not even be loaded keeping my client lighter and enabling me to run as many accounts at the same time as I could before Incarna.
4) I would suggest somekind of alteration to working practices. Its not my place to suggest how or what - but the end effect should be that things like Incarna would not be forced through in this state like has happened here.
5) You need to address the alleged .pdf leak and confirm or deny its authenticity. In a world of trolls no-one can be certain, although most will have a theory. If it is confirmed, you should probably look at disciplinary measures for some of those involved. I shouldn't need to explain the damage that has been done. If it is a fake, you should look at why so many found it so easy to believe it as authentic.
6) The game itself? Remember? Flying around in spaceships, big fleets shooting each other? More effort and attention into that. There will always be a need for balancing and bug fixing and it should never stop being the number #1 priority.
+1 this all day
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jason1138 "Is it me, or is the first post in this thread just read as a big FU?"
lol its not you. every CCP post on this thread is a big FU and 90% of these guys aren't getting it
i've read the whole thread 3x now. you think this guy is seriously still trying to read it? he's screwing with you guys, wake up
Stop trolling little one. This thread is growing faster than it can be read. Now wipe the froth off your mouth and run along to bed.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 24/06/2011 00:36:49 Here's my big question that I demand an answer to.
Are you going to **** the EVE Online sandbox over for Monetary Transactions or not? If not, all is forgiven. If MTs are going to impact the sandbox, start printing your resumes and god help you all.
The designs we will implement in game will not **** over the sandbox.
Manifest, with all due respect, EVE's community, which you profess to love, and I believe you do, has time and time again come up with modifications to your plans that have NOT been implemented, I hesitated about saying ignored, because I think you do think about them, but whoever makes the final call on this **** is doing it wrong. You are showing us things and asking for our input, but your company is too far along in the design process to implement out input, it is as if you only really want back slaps of support and file the other ideas for the revisit, which leaves your company in a constant state of being behind.
You say AUR won't **** over our sandbox, but the evidence it to the contrary. Why do you ask for our input if you can't for whatever reason, actually use it? I admire your company's focus and commitment to a plan, but you guys REALLY need to back up and LISTEN to us. Listen doesn't mean you understand our words, it means you reconsider YOURS in response to OURS. Manifest, you're one of the most respected CCP employees (at least to me), please, help us penetrate the laser focus of your design leaders.
Best, AG
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 -
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.
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Planetary Genocide
Gallente White Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 -
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I'd like to point out that focusing on the future is a **** idea when screwing over your current customers practically ensures you have no future... food for thought.
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SailorBacon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:30:00 -
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.
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Dunarad
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Words Words Words
Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: TV Evangelist
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Follow up: How do you define a Vanity item?
The only question(s) that matter.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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People are shocked a company's first priority is to make money?
Jeez some people are dense.
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Donatella D'Tren
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Just as an aside...did you REALLY have to call that document "Greed is Good"? Seriously? I mean if you intend to bend over your entire player base and jam an Avatar up our collective asses, could you at least have called it "Suprise Buttsex Plans" or something?
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 24/06/2011 03:31:13
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel lets throw CCP Soundwave under the (metaphorical) bus.
fix't
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Has soundwave been fired yet?
Will all future editions of 'Fearless' be released publicly?
Is there anything else you've lied to the playerbase about (MT for vanity ONLY) that we might like to know about?
Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he. I personally would not like to see one of the driving forces behind the Alliance Tournament and the spiritual leader of Team BFF take a fall for agreeing to present one opposing side of the microtransaction debate in an internal newsletter.
I personally don't think Soundwave should be fired, and CCP wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on if they did fire him. But there's that whole fearless issue where your true company vision is shared with people that are not your playerbase. That might be a good one to share without us hoping someone leaks the next issue.
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Bloodpetal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Takishu Damn, they bring us back the Ancients. Quote:
She's not THAT old.
She's circa 2003, that's like resurrecting methuselah.
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Vikrama Kagiso
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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CCP, somethingthing which has been extremely stressed in my carrier field as a emergency responder and incident management public communications officer,
PEOPLE RESPOND BETTER TO BAD INFORMATION THAN FALSE OR MISLEADING INFORMATION.
This can be seen in many of the national level emergencies that the US has been dealing with in recent years.
Now to get on track with this thread. You f****d up. Good luck improving your image with many of your customers and it wont be easy. start addressing the issues that you have not only admitted yourself but many of the members posting in this thread have brought up. You have a long road ahead of you.
I'd love to see another Q&A thread where all questions are addressed with complete truth.
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Nedak Pather
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso
People are shocked a company's first priority is to make money?
Jeez some people are dense.
Is this a serious post?
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shi'ki CCP you have my support to ban the players agressing towards your employees by name/nick.
These people are classic examples grade-school bullies who never grew up. There is no hope for them. If you are unable to ban them at least blow up their expensive faction ships/gear, and give them a free monocle to push them further down in the dirt. I am not joking.
Also deny them access to their much hated CQ and let them view "the door", since they are obviously fond of it.
Of course all this will never happen, but i like to return some of the hate to the hating ****ers.
For the most part (I am only on page 20) these replies are EXTREMELY constructive, however, NO VIOLENCE should be tolerated, whether physical or written, so I agree, ban them, it isn't tolerable, but it also isn't in this thread so far,
AG
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Zverofaust
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
I was told there was a big obvious yellow message waiting for me later on.
I honestly cannot answer that right now nor should you hear any such answer from me as many have said. As Pann opened this thread, she stated, "I wonÆt be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weÆll start getting some info out tomorrow."
The reason why I am going through every post and not just skipping to the end unless someone tells me to, is so that I can make sure the nuances of the player responses are condensed, fully represented and then transmitted within CCP to the appropriate people. (Jade Constantine's post is one obvious verbatim one amongst)
Player feedback has diligently been sent from our community and PR team since time immemorial and it is my most solemn and serious duty.
It is more important right now than trying to "solve" things or crusading to answer every single post. That was pretty clear after a short second of introspection following my second or third reply at around page 5. ____________o7 CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: SailorBacon
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
For the love of Christ Manifest, if you can't answer the big yellow question, at least say so openly so I don't have to keep refreshing the page.
I guess you missed the part where they said the answers to the meatier questions would come tomorrow in official statements. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Iamien on 24/06/2011 03:33:01
Originally by: Kewso
People are shocked a company's first priority is to make money?
Jeez some people are dense.
First priority should be to be honest with your customers. Profit can be a close second.
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WhiskeyGirl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:32:00 -
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nullMy God... The main issue the the prices?!! No THE MAIN ISSUE IS CQ!!!
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Jules Asner
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:33:00 -
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Come on guys they arnt going to answer until there is an official "statement"
Them saying they are reading posts is just a BS slowing tactic so they can work out how to tell us to just deal with it.
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b1zz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lilliana Stelles
Does CCP plan to offer faster character progression through micropayments? This is the big question on everyone's mind. How will this "greed" affect gameplay? I'm not opposed to something similar to the officers edition of EVE, whereas you get a super-implant, but players probably won't react kindly to money-for-sp. Micropayment funded stat reallocation, on the other hand, would likely be accepted.
You can already buy plex with real money, then buy a ready made character (skills) from the character bazaar.
I really don't see how CCP can justify removing the character market by introducing AURA skills that don't go through the players (character bazaar), then doing the same with market items - they would effectively kill the Eve market which kills the game off.
Would be nice if they would confirm they're not considering committing suicide, but I find it against all logic that they would.
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