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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.09.13 20:24:00 -
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Hey all,
Quick question. I posted up a thread a few months ago about the Gallente epic arc. Since that time I ran through it, and my timer is up to give it another go.
I was hoping for some ideas on how to improve this time. The last time I ran it in a tanked, duel rep domi. I adjusted the fit per mission, removing tank on the easier ones etc. However the domi still never seemed to hold up as well as I would have liked. I ended up bringing along a Tengu alt to dual box the missions. Basically for most missions I warped in the Tengu to take aggro, and then zip around the arena missile spamming while the domi then warped in and shot stuff up.
This time I'd really like to try and run it with just one toon. I could dual box again, but my Tengu alt is kinda "busier" this time and doesn't want to waste the time coming along.
I'd also love to hopefully figure out a better ship if possible than the Dominix. Given the amount of travel etc, the dominix is quite slow.
this toon is pretty much 100% gallente, solid armor tank, decent shield tank. I've thought about a Proteus or Ishtar. The former having the tank, the latter having far better damage projection.
The part I keep having trouble with (at this stage just trying to come up with a potential fit) is that gaping explosive hole with armor tankers.
So any thoughts or insights would be handy. Has anyone tried these with something like an ishtar etc? Even though the tank isnt as big, it has the ability to kite around while heavies go mop up. |
Rexorol
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2012.09.13 22:03:00 -
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I did this recently with a Tengu/Ishtar combo. I don't think an Ishtar alone would do well solo on this arc. I remember a few areas where the damage was just either overwhelming, or else unavoidably devastating (where you can't speed tank and kite your way out).
A rattlesnake or Domi navi issue would be better if you were intent on going with one ship focusing on drones. Tengu would be better though. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
113
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:30:00 -
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The easiest ship to do the gal arc in is a tengu. The incoming dps is just too high on some missions to efficiently tank with a battleship. (at least one mission room deals 2000+)
Barring that, however, a proteus would also do the job nicely, or even a loki since it's easier to omni tank. (two missions have heavy exp damage on top of kin/th) Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
BobHick
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2012.11.16 23:19:00 -
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After struggling hard with Studio One I found out doing Showdown in a raven was going to be something between excruciating and impossible. However, killing the small and medium ships could be done with a few warps to a bookmark in the vicinity. I then took out the battleships rather quickly using a SB, up close, recloaking after each second volley.
The problem is the battleships in Showdown have near infinite locking range and they hit out to 140 km. They also have a fast regenerating tank and severe DPS. They can't lock up a SB fast enough to prevent recloaking, though.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.17 17:33:00 -
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I soloed the Gallente epic arc in a passive shield regen Ishtar. It is a serious pain to do, and requires several warp outs in several of the harder missions, but it is possible to do without changing the passive hardener.
You need to kill the neuts, and speed tank like mad. You don't want to be anywhere near the elite NPC BS's.
My fit could tank 1215 DPS, but that was no where near enough tank to be stationary against the Veteran BS's. But yeah, if you are careful and smart, you can do it solo.
I fly a Proteus also for some missions, but would not recommend taking it into this epic arcs. The neuts in some cases are just too scary for an active tank.
But if you are going to try to do an epic arc in a drone boat, you better hurry. CCP has said that with the Dec 4th release they will keep the loophole in the AI that allows drone boats to function. But at some indeterminate time after that, they are closing the loophole and all drone boats are done as a PvE platform, especially in epic arcs.
Then your only solo option will be the Tengu or possibly an officer tanked Vargur. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.11.17 17:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I soloed the Gallente epic arc in a passive shield regen Ishtar. It is a serious pain to do, and requires several warp outs in several of the harder missions, but it is possible to do without changing the passive hardener.
You need to kill the neuts, and speed tank like mad. You don't want to be anywhere near the elite NPC BS's.
My fit could tank 1215 DPS, but that was no where near enough tank to be stationary against the Veteran BS's. But yeah, if you are careful and smart, you can do it solo.
I fly a Proteus also for some missions, but would not recommend taking it into this epic arcs. The neuts in some cases are just too scary for an active tank.
But if you are going to try to do an epic arc in a drone boat, you better hurry. CCP has said that with the Dec 4th release they will keep the loophole in the AI that allows drone boats to function. But at some indeterminate time after that, they are closing the loophole and all drone boats are done as a PvE platform, especially in epic arcs.
Then your only solo option will be the Tengu or possibly an officer tanked Vargur.
Yea I have been watching the test server feedback. Unfortunately I did not have time to do any actual testing, but my gallente toon is a bit sad. Speed tanking while staying near your drones is kind of a catch-22 |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.11.23 02:46:00 -
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i've taken to two tengu +/- booster / hauler for all the lvl4 arcs.
Absolutely no probs with tank, DPS output is fine, not terribly slow moving around between the arc systems, and I carry refit equipment with me so I can go cloaky for the lowsec legs. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:16:00 -
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I run all the Lv 4 Epic Arcs in a Faction fitted Loki. The only problem I have is the very last mission of the Caldari arc (I think it's Caldari), where the 4 elite cruisers do perma-jam on your targeting.
I usually just call in a friend to knock those 4 ships out.
Anyway, Evelopedia, Eve-Survival (Mission Reports) and the Lorebook all have notes/comments on how to proceed.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.11.26 01:05:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I run all the Lv 4 Epic Arcs in a Faction fitted Loki. The only problem I have is the very last mission of the Caldari arc (I think it's Caldari), where the 4 elite cruisers do perma-jam on your targeting.
I usually just call in a friend to knock those 4 ships out.
Anyway, Evelopedia, Eve-Survival (Mission Reports) and the Lorebook all have notes/comments on how to proceed.
DMC
Sadly the only T3 I can currently fly is a Proteus. I can get an ok fit, even with rails. It's that explosive hole that I find the most annoying If I could figured out a workable fit though I'd give it a try. I'm fine with bling. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:31:00 -
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Most definitely will need a bling fit.
I guess I forgot to mention that.
Anyway, like I said before, check out the comments, tips and notes for each Arc / Mission in Eve-Survival, Evelopedia and Datloran's Lorebook
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:51:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Most definitely will need a bling fit. I guess I forgot to mention that. Anyway, like I said before, check out the comments, tips and notes for each Arc / Mission in Eve-Survival, Evelopedia and Datloran's LorebookDMC
Did not need to be said. Bling was assumed. And yea I've read those. As my title had suggested I've run them before. Just trying to figure out a new way to try. |
Ginger Itiss
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:56:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Most definitely will need a bling fit. I guess I forgot to mention that. Anyway, like I said before, check out the comments, tips and notes for each Arc / Mission in Eve-Survival, Evelopedia and Datloran's LorebookDMC Did not need to be said. Bling was assumed. And yea I've read those. As my title had suggested I've run them before. Just trying to figure out a new way to try.
Yet another Post by Derth that was not needed.... Please go take your nap! |
Charlie Conway
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:10:00 -
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I'm about to begin this arc for the first time. What fit did you end up using for your second go at it? |
Batelle
Concordiat
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:18:00 -
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I recall Assistance, Studio I, and Showtime to be the hardest ones. If you're going to use a domi, I would recommend a sniper/sentry fit with a MJD for Showtime. Studio I has a gate to a second area, but I think you can bookmark the gate directly, making a MJD workable here as well. Assistance also drops 12 Mercenary overlords at close range on you, so a combination of MJD sniping and creative warp-ins (not deadspace iirc) will help you. Fighting is Magic |
UkaIS
Lords of Entropy V.e.G.A.
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:51:00 -
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I'm currently doing my first try on the Amarr Epic Arc mainly for standing reasons. I wanted to try it in a deadspace tanked Sleipnir but ended up with the new TD ruining my day. The solution was easy and really not complicated though. I took my incursion Machariel and fitted it with an MJD. I haven't had a problem in any of the missions since then. SImply MJD out to somewhere between 100 and 150 km from the rats and keep range while sniping away with 1400s. I don't think there should be a problem with this in the other epic arcs or with other BS then the Machariel. I'm going to try the other arcs this way to once I get there but I believe this is a pretty fool proof and easy going way to do this :-) |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:05:00 -
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Charlie Conway wrote:I'm about to begin this arc for the first time. What fit did you end up using for your second go at it?
Sadly, RL has gotten the best of me lately and I have not yet gotten around to running it again. But I am seriously considering the MJD dominix route. With the right mods I can target well beyond 100km and sentries can hit out that far easily. So essentially I should be able to mJD around the grid staying outside of the heavy damage. Worst case having enough time to warp out if it becomes necessary.
It won't be the easiest still. The only fit i seem to come up with that gives me the range I need is still a little light on tank (hopefully wont need much if I can stay 100km away) and I have to use a cap booster. |
UkaIS
Lords of Entropy V.e.G.A.
5
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:55:00 -
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You need almost no tank. As said I did the Amarr one in a Machariel with MJD and my fit has only 227 omni tank with a Large Shield Booster II. It isn't even capstable. The only issue I see with the Dominix could be that you can't move since you have the sentries. You can't move away from the rats as they approach you so you will have to use the MJD more often, I can't say if this makes it harder or you just have to jump more often though... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:46:00 -
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UkaIS wrote:You need almost no tank. As said I did the Amarr one in a Machariel with MJD and my fit has only 227 omni tank with a Large Shield Booster II. It isn't even capstable. The only issue I see with the Dominix could be that you can't move since you have the sentries. You can't move away from the rats as they approach you so you will have to use the MJD more often, I can't say if this makes it harder or you just have to jump more often though...
True,
On the flip side the sentries should kill stuff better I believe. I get far better damage and tracking from Wardens at 110km (491 dps 0.0183 tracking) than a megathron fit with rails. (390 dps .005 tracking)
Ive never flown a mach, but playing in EFT I can't seem to make it fit a full rack of 1400's without a PG mod. But just as a check, as I was curious, a full rack of 1400, 3x gyros, tracking computer, tracking enhancer puts out 432 dps .00396 with tremor.
I know the numbers aren't exact, but the main gist is while the domi is stationary, the sentries hit plenty hard with really good tracking, which should offset the fact that you can't really move. |
Jaxem Rau
Spatial Anomalies
1
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Posted - 2013.01.25 02:19:00 -
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Usually run these arcs in a T2 fit Nighthawk. All the missions are pretty straightforward and simple as long as you tank it to match the damage the enemies fire at you.
-J |
Charlie Conway
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.25 03:13:00 -
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I like the MJD idea. Ive never used one since they were released. The MJD with Domi sounds pretty good. At first I wasnt going to try it but then I realised that Ive got Level 5 in nearly all the Drone skills, Sentry Drone Int is at 5 so the damage will be decent. Ive used a Mega with 425s to do some null 10/10 escalations and Id snipe from 150km+ away so If the Domis not working Ill just try that.
But I'd also like the do the Epic Arc in something smaller then a BS. Anyone have any suggestion I have Elite fitting skills and fly mainly Gallente everything. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.01.25 03:17:00 -
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Charlie Conway wrote:I like the MJD idea. Ive never used one since they were released. The MJD with Domi sounds pretty good. At first I wasnt going to try it but then I realised that Ive got Level 5 in nearly all the Drone skills, Sentry Drone Int is at 5 so the damage will be decent. Ive used a Mega with 425s to do some null 10/10 escalations and Id snipe from 150km+ away so If the Domis not working Ill just try that.
But I'd also like the do the Epic Arc in something smaller then a BS. Anyone have any suggestion I have Elite fitting skills and fly mainly Gallente everything. I will let you know after I try. Probably in the next 2 weeks.
Yea I'd love something smaller as well. The amount of travel in the epic arcs is somewhat annoying in a lumbering BS.
I thought about an ishtar as well. similar drone capabilities. With a MWD maybe it would be possible to essentially kite as well. It's just the large amount of explosion damage in some of the missions that sucks for a gallente pilot such as myself. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.01.25 03:33:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Charlie Conway wrote:I like the MJD idea. Ive never used one since they were released. The MJD with Domi sounds pretty good. At first I wasnt going to try it but then I realised that Ive got Level 5 in nearly all the Drone skills, Sentry Drone Int is at 5 so the damage will be decent. Ive used a Mega with 425s to do some null 10/10 escalations and Id snipe from 150km+ away so If the Domis not working Ill just try that.
But I'd also like the do the Epic Arc in something smaller then a BS. Anyone have any suggestion I have Elite fitting skills and fly mainly Gallente everything. I will let you know after I try. Probably in the next 2 weeks. Yea I'd love something smaller as well. The amount of travel in the epic arcs is somewhat annoying in a lumbering BS. I thought about an ishtar as well. similar drone capabilities. With a MWD maybe it would be possible to essentially kite as well. It's just the large amount of explosion damage in some of the missions that sucks for a gallente pilot such as myself.
Ishtar kiting isn't as easy as it was. ie dumping the drones and doing some wide kite that arrives back at them to briefly withdraw them for a trigger is probably going to get your drones shot. I tried this in an ishtar and had to warp out, but in hindsight my fit was substandard, so I do believe it can speed/resist tank the damage if fitted right, but you'll be spending time with no drones out as you'll need to go to a perch, orbit drones fire for a while then relocate.
If you have afk time where boats can essentailly move themselves or an alt that can move a hull, I'd probably locate both a kronos and an ishtar on the route and use the kronos which can just stand in the fire for showtime.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1080
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Posted - 2013.01.25 03:36:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Charlie Conway wrote:I like the MJD idea. Ive never used one since they were released. The MJD with Domi sounds pretty good. At first I wasnt going to try it but then I realised that Ive got Level 5 in nearly all the Drone skills, Sentry Drone Int is at 5 so the damage will be decent. Ive used a Mega with 425s to do some null 10/10 escalations and Id snipe from 150km+ away so If the Domis not working Ill just try that.
But I'd also like the do the Epic Arc in something smaller then a BS. Anyone have any suggestion I have Elite fitting skills and fly mainly Gallente everything. I will let you know after I try. Probably in the next 2 weeks. Yea I'd love something smaller as well. The amount of travel in the epic arcs is somewhat annoying in a lumbering BS. I thought about an ishtar as well. similar drone capabilities. With a MWD maybe it would be possible to essentially kite as well. It's just the large amount of explosion damage in some of the missions that sucks for a gallente pilot such as myself. Ishtar kiting isn't as easy as it was. ie dumping the drones and doing some wide kite that arrives back at them to briefly withdraw them for a trigger is probably going to get your drones shot. I tried this in an ishtar and had to warp out, but in hindsight my fit was substandard, so I do believe it can speed/resist tank the damage if fitted right, but you'll be spending time with no drones out as you'll need to go to a perch, orbit drones fire for a while then relocate. If you have afk time where boats can essentailly move themselves or an alt that can move a hull, I'd probably locate both a kronos and an ishtar on the route and use the kronos which can just stand in the fire for showtime.
Yea that was I meant basically for an ishtar. Burn away, drop drones, shoot what I can. Scoop and repeat around the grid until damage can be tanked.
sadly I'm about 80 days minimum from a kronos, so that's not happening this go round at least. |
Charlie Conway
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.25 07:51:00 -
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How does this look?
DPS from 425mms with Spike L is not alot but it hits out to 130km+ Wardens Optimal is 97km
Total DPS while keeping everything 100km + away from me is 600 If I let things get close I can load Antimatter or Javelin and get the Garde II out then my DPS will be 870 with a 20km Optimal for me and 38km Optimal for the Garde II.
[Dominix Navy Issue, Syndication] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Drone Scope Chip I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Ogre II x5
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1083
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Posted - 2013.01.25 13:40:00 -
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Charlie Conway wrote:How does this look?
EDIT: 330DPS Tank against Serpentis DPS from 425mms with Spike L is not alot but it hits out to 130km+ Wardens Optimal is 97km
Total DPS while keeping everything 100km + away from me is 600 If I let things get close I can load Antimatter or Javelin and get the Garde II out then my DPS will be 870 with a 20km Optimal for me and 38km Optimal for the Garde II.
[Dominix Navy Issue, Syndication] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Drone Scope Chip I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Ogre II x5
Couple thoughts. One thing to keep in mind is that a fair number of the missions are against minmatar and minmatar style enemies, which are heavy explosive damage.
Another, honestly I would drop the mag stabs. Dropping both mag stabs and replacing with drone amps, you lose 52 turret DPS, but gain 139 with wardens. A domi the drone do most of the work, let them shine. This also lowers your cap need. You can swap a cap recharged for another omni (I always run at least 2 on a dominix) which makes your drone tracking even beter. With 2-T2 omnis your wardens get a 114km optimal. This also negates the need for the scope chip rig, which you can instead run 2- T1 CCC and one large if you want (damn they are expensive).
You maintain 37% cap stable with the MJD off, which i assume only needs to be run a cycle at a time when you jump? Havent used it yet.
Dump the Ogres, you wont use them ever. with 2 omni's your gardes will hit anything cruiser up even at close range. |
Charlie Conway
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.25 14:00:00 -
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Cheers mate thanks for the tips Ill post here to let you know how I do. Its been a long time since Ive done missions let alone in a slow boat |
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