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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 24/06/2011 02:18:09
I posted this in the megathread, but I think it's lost in the current pool of angry players.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=29#847
DEAR CCP AND CUSTOMERS:
In my eyes, here's what we're faced with.
CCP is growing stagnant in the market. Stagnancy causes businesses to die. If CCP has not had a growth of business (which I don't think they really have) yet subscription prices remain the same, CCP needs to either raise subscription prices or create another way to generate income. I think what we're faced with here is the real situation. As time goes by, we've been paying $15/Ç15/whatever and inflation has set in. Inflation causes our dollar value to slump, yet CCP is a growing company that is expanding their production to include costs that we do not contribute to. Costs are going up, incoming money is staying the same.
Therefore, we have three options if CCP is to stay in business.
1) We pay willingly for micro-transactions
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2) We pay increased subscription fees
OR
3) CCP cuts some of their expanding to other ventures.
Since I think 3 is out of the question because CCP would rather grow than remain locked in EVE Online, I would happily welcome $20/month subscription to avoid this micro-transaction stuff they have put forth. It would not be a necessary eliminator of incoming debt to CCP, but it could hold them over until DUST or WOD is released.
Just my two cents.
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Jedi GrandMaster
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:31:00 -
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Well it aint ur 2 cents worth its ur $60 a year. Many people run more then one account so its x * 60, which could easily approach someones take home pay for a week.
If you would welcome paying more, u r one of the few.
As metioned u think 3 is out of the question because of development of other games. If u were to pay $20 dollars happily every month given CCP's business model they would just develop more games.
Therefore it is CCP's business model that is broken, exploiting their playerbase, it is not a shortfall in income from Eve. So sure pop up to CCP's headquarters and give them ur life savings to invest in new products, just dont expect Eve to improve because of it.
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Toshiroma McDiesel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jedi GrandMaster Well it aint ur 2 cents worth its ur $60 a year. Many people run more then one account so its x * 60, which could easily approach someones take home pay for a week.
If you would welcome paying more, u r one of the few.
As metioned u think 3 is out of the question because of development of other games. If u were to pay $20 dollars happily every month given CCP's business model they would just develop more games.
Therefore it is CCP's business model that is broken, exploiting their playerbase, it is not a shortfall in income from Eve. So sure pop up to CCP's headquarters and give them ur life savings to invest in new products, just dont expect Eve to improve because of it.
1) Name a gaming company that has 1 and only one game, with nothing else in development.
2) If Plex were removed today, and you can't afford to pay for you accounts with hard cash....maybe you should be rethinking your priorities ... your spending way too much time playing something you can't actually afford.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:40:00 -
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NO ~~~
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Enna Shendara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:43:00 -
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If there is genuinely a cash crisis at CCP, I also would rather see an increased subscription price. Bear in mind that a hike of $2.50 would bring in an extra million dollars a month though, and I genuinely doubt CCP is having a cash crisis. Its a small company, making a lot of money.
The truth is, money is insidious, and no matter how much you earn, its never enough. CCP is earning as much as they need, but not as much as they want, and its now time for unchecked capitalism to swing into play, which is never a good thing.
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:44:00 -
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Idiot. You think our subscription fees aren't enough? CCP is just coming short on their PROFIT projections because of the PS3 licensing fee. GTFO.
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Lirael Dyrim
Gallente In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
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Don't you get your EVE subscription for free for running an EVE related website?
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Jedi GrandMaster
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiroma McDiesel
Originally by: Jedi GrandMaster Well it aint ur 2 cents worth its ur $60 a year. Many people run more then one account so its x * 60, which could easily approach someones take home pay for a week.
If you would welcome paying more, u r one of the few.
As metioned u think 3 is out of the question because of development of other games. If u were to pay $20 dollars happily every month given CCP's business model they would just develop more games.
Therefore it is CCP's business model that is broken, exploiting their playerbase, it is not a shortfall in income from Eve. So sure pop up to CCP's headquarters and give them ur life savings to invest in new products, just dont expect Eve to improve because of it.
1) Name a gaming company that has 1 and only one game, with nothing else in development.
2) If Plex were removed today, and you can't afford to pay for you accounts with hard cash....maybe you should be rethinking your priorities ... your spending way too much time playing something you can't actually afford.
1) Off topic i never said there was one, i said there busness model is wrong. If u dont understand percentages that could be a problem.
2) Fantasy and speculation. Maybe u r a dirty pedo, that cant afford a trip to Thailand, maybe ur spending to much time *anking or making completely incorrect assumptions. If that is the case seek medical and psychiatric attention.(u c what ive done there, the same as you)
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joshua maraj
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
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so lets all boycott MT and force CCPs hand with all this MT crap. they either bow down to our demands or go broke
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Zverofaust
Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
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It's quite revealing that so many people (myself included) would be more willing to pay higher subscription fees than see rampant microtransactionism in this game. I really hope CCP is paying attention.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:47:00 -
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Hey siig since your so full of goodwill these days how's about paying back the people that showed your integrity for what it is.
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Camdelma
Gallente Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Camdelma on 24/06/2011 02:53:19
Originally by: Lirael Dyrim Don't you get your EVE subscription for free for running an EVE related website?
That hasn't been updated in years? (if you go look, that last comic is [EDIT: actually immediately post trinity], and the thorax in it is mine, before I could fly anything bigger.)
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:51:00 -
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I do agree with the OP. Increase USD to $20 and keep EU at 15 euros(I don't know how to do the symbol) this would make it comparable to plex costs as well. Though I would only agree to this if CCP makes greater effort at actually improving/adding on the the actual core features(Flying in Space) and makes more of a initiative to release quality over quantity. The increase in price compensates for the fact that expansions to the game are free. When comparing it to other sub based MMOs which require a additional cost for expansions.
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:54:00 -
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I will accept an increased subscription rate IF AND ONLY IF they fix game mechanics rather than shopping malls/private faprooms
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Pseudo Ucksth
The First One is Always Free Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:15:00 -
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Hi Siig. See you're still hustling after all these years. Keep it real.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Thom Baron I will accept an increased subscription rate IF AND ONLY IF they fix game mechanics rather than shopping malls/private faprooms
That's kind of taking what I said and twisting it a bit. What I'm trying to put forth is that CCP wants money to develop games with. Things COST MONEY. The PS3 licensing fee COSTS MONEY. It costs money to develop a game for just about any console platform. Keeping in mind that CCP is trying to capture a new market, increasing costs to generate revenue is not a bad idea. Businesses have to raise prices to keep up with current times. Blizzard charges once every couple years for an expansion to continue moving forward. It probably supplements them the cost of developing all that stuff. I'm certain Blizzard is rich, but they are also developing more than one game and have costs to cover for those games.
Facts are facts. If businesses do not generate more customers they have to create additional income SOMEWHERE. If you guys want to deal with the low volume/high cost AURUM items be my guest. Otherwise we can all pitch in and give CCP a little more money to see improvements.
Keep this directly in mind: if we pay more subscription money, CCP can allocate more money to developing our game rather than seemingly fruitless fluff like what you guys are whining about (Incarna.) Think before you respond.
Also, hi Pseudo, long time no see o/
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simon perry
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:22:00 -
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just shut up! Please never post, no one likes you.
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Musashibou Benkei
Combined Imperial Fleet JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Musashibou Benkei on 24/06/2011 03:23:49 I just bought this 10" BLACK dildo on the NEX market and I'm about to slap your face with it
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Laser Purification
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:45:00 -
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They're doing barely any development on Eve (Incarna is WoD testing) and we should pay them more?
The fact they foolishly tried to develop two new games in parallel on the back of Eve subs isn't my problem.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:40:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:05:00 -
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So out of contempt for a guy who spent cash on an Armani suit you want to voluntarily pay higher taxes? How does that even make sense?
MT does nothing to Eve as long as it is solely vanity items and/or items that are readily available elsewhere.
Eve is a game of time; It takes time to get skills, it takes time get ISK, it takes time to get experience etc. Majority of people do not have the time and that is the primary reason for botting becoming so common (time without spending time) and why Plex/MT are a necessity if Eve is to continue growing.
MT (incl. Plex) offers a 'sanctioned' way of avoiding the time requirement to make headway in a game, why do you think it has been such a roaring success elsewhere (F2P/Freemium is booming like crazy) if it is not the fact that it caters to people who do not have the time to indulge themselves by playing 2-3hrs/day and would otherwise be excluded from most gameplay.
What we and CCP need to do is make sure that MT items are as integrated into the market as possible, preferably to a point where they are available from multiple sources (read: industry) so that people who have the time (ie. to grind ISK) can enjoy the content without needing their wallets.
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ForumRasta
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
2) We pay increased subscription fees
EVE's subscription fee has always been 2 euros per month (don't know how many dollars) above every other MMO...
so no.
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Zeb DaMadMiner
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:51:00 -
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The problem is, there expanding in too many crap we don't want. And ignoring the origionals that actually do know what's needed.
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:32:00 -
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Raising sub cost will hurt Eve far more than what is happening now.
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Flavia Clio
Ero Guro
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:22:00 -
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Please decrease subscription fees and eliminate the need for AURUM.
A multi-account discount would be nice too.
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Isidore Tailleur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Isidore Tailleur on 25/06/2011 19:05:49
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
CCP is growing stagnant in the market. Stagnancy causes businesses to die.
Almost every business in the world is stagnant man. Most of them are solo or family business with no intentions or desire to grow.
A large company does not need to grow either. Not faster then the general level of prosperity raises anyhow. CCP could go on with the current player base only developing what is needed to keep the player base steady and it would keep providing solid income for there employees for eternity, with such a business model rather then a growth at any cost model they seem to have the only difference they would have to make is to start adjusting the subscription price for inflation...
And ofcourse the employees would need buy out the current share holders eventually cause they will be quite upset there capital is growing slower then the market average...but the need to grow is not a need of businesses in general it is a need of specific financing choices for businesses...
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Mr Jebidea
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Enna Shendara If there is genuinely a cash crisis at CCP, I also would rather see an increased subscription price. Bear in mind that a hike of $2.50 would bring in an extra million dollars a month though, and I genuinely doubt CCP is having a cash crisis. Its a small company, making a lot of money.
The truth is, money is insidious, and no matter how much you earn, its never enough. CCP is earning as much as they need, but not as much as they want, and its now time for unchecked capitalism to swing into play, which is never a good thing.
Typical socialist stigma against capitalism. Unchecked, laizze-faire capitalism is the best system that we have at the moment. It's when governments get involved that it gets messy. And no, you can never have enough money.
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Daiyu Tzu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
2) We pay increased subscription fees
1) implied facepalm 2) Whole industry is moving to micro transactions (for cosmetic stuff) and removal of subscription. 3) Arguing with that is like telling to flying bullet that it has no right to kill You. 4) You are stupidest person on planet Earth. |
Tai Xi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:30:00 -
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not spending my/our money in new games like dust would be enough to ensure eve would never have seen crap like MTs
the funny part of the story is i laughed about the blizzard "vanity pet store" all time, because some dumb****s really bought mounts for 20bucks
now we got the 60$ monocle YAY
EVE WON -.-
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Tau Prime
Black Barrel Black Habitat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 -
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This has got to be the worst idea I've heard yet regarding MT. They are vanity items. Let CCP generate money on MT if people want to buy them. Who gives a rats @ss. TBH I don't even give a damn if they want to do MT for non vanity items as long as my hard earned ISK can be converted to plex and then to AUR.
Why does no one seem to get it, CCP is not forcing anyone to buy anything to play the game other than your regular subscription. Everything in game can still be had through regular old ISK. They want to introduce +10 implants in the AUR market?, let em, I'll just convert the isk i earned IN GAME over and buy them. If people want to put out hard cash for them fine, let em buy some plex rather than isk from some bot farmer.
Who gives a crap about monocles and digital shirts. Only thing im upset about is not being able to spin my ship and having to open up the damn ship hanger to check my cargohold.
Please stop posting this nonsense.
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