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Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:56:00 -
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Please reply with support to this statement. I think this in large part sums up the frustration with CCP and Incarna. By giving your support to this poast you increase the impact of its words.
Quote: Originally by: Jade Constantine Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?
3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?
Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
So hereÆs the thing.
The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
^ This is exactly what the problem is!! ________________________________________________
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Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:58:00 -
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support ________________________________________________
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Doc Buddy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:34:00 -
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Everyone in EVE should be ****ed off. CCP has now shown its hand and it looks like dog ****. With that said I do think the Incarna concept is cool but when the game is already broken, with no hope in sight that past features will be fixed, why dump so many resources into it. The MT's is a slippery slope to stand on and EVE skipped the slipping part and jumped right off the cliff. Because you are right. Why spend time on making POS's more functional or Hybrids worth fitting on a ship that could improve a customers experiance. When you can spend it on a fancy gold ring that will bring in the real thing.
As for me personally. I will be leaving EVE when my subs run out. I have never bought into the whole virtual vaniety thing and that is clearly where EVE is heading.
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Dacil Arandur
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:56:00 -
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I think it's actually immersion BREAKING to have to leave your pod every time you come to the station. Also, the performance of the CQ is actually quite painful.
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Falcun
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:00:00 -
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AMEN BROTHER
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/06/2011 06:21:56
Dear Manny.
I'm gonna support this, but i am never, EVER going to forgive you for making me agree with something that Jade Long Winded As Hell And Partially ******ed Constantine said.
Edit: Supported, but Manny is going to suffer for it.
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Neu Bastian
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:59:00 -
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Supported.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
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marinko26210
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:26:00 -
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+1
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Alvia Div
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:04:00 -
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I was sceptical, but this is very well worded.
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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Roonia on 24/06/2011 10:59:53 Edited by: Roonia on 24/06/2011 10:55:53 Right on. This is exactly where EVE is heading. Instead of expanding the player base with more smart, practical, playable, useful features, CCP has created a platform for sucking money out of the existing player-base, compromising performance and the vision of the game while masquerading as an expansion which we should all appreciate.
This is actually setting the stage, as the original poster mentioned, for +9 implants and uber guns for sale. This will inevitably lead to the destruction of EVE as we know and love it.
I think we should call a boycott for AUR and all things PLEX, except game time of course.
This bears direct relevance to the topic about CCP Quality vs Qty and other issues: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1327362
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Pro Icon Togenada
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:07:00 -
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/06/2011 06:21:56
Dear Manny.
I'm gonna support this, but i am never, EVER going to forgive you for making me agree with something that Jade Long Winded As Hell And Partially ******ed Constantine said.
Edit: Supported, but Manny is going to suffer for it.
This in every particular.
(Give him hell, Grath)
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:08:00 -
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When the player base starts getting behind Jade as their heroic spokesman, you know you got it wrong CCP.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin Dear Manny.
I'm gonna support this, but i am never, EVER going to forgive you for making me agree with something that Jade Long Winded As Hell And Partially ******ed Constantine said.
Edit: Supported, but Manny is going to suffer for it.
Actually hesitated in supporting this due to the source, never thought to use it as an excuse for a personal vendetta .. good call and full support!
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:47:00 -
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Supported fully. Most importantly the RL money for awesome ingame advantage bit needs to be made sure to never happen...
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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rico Minali Supported fully. Most importantly the RL money for awesome ingame advantage bit needs to be made sure to never happen...
Well they already have RL money for in game advantage...the advantage is that your ISK is only limited by how much USD/EURO you got...realistically speaking.
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Dr Logoffski
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:07:00 -
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First off,
I agree that spending X amount of time and resources on such a large thing as captain's quarters was perhaps was not such a good idea when there are other things in the game that need attention - things that players have been asking to get fixed; i.e. POS, corp management etc.
On the other hand, I do understand why they've done it (at all) - CCP has said before, that their ultimate goal is to make eve the ultimate online sci fi experience. i.e. more than just a spaceship game. This new expansion is just a step towards that goal.
But yes, just to iterate, they really need to focus more and player's needs. And having my client crash with multiple accounts open is VERY frustrating!
Second thing,
In regards to the Vanity items - Correct me if i'm wrong...
But I feel the big fear we're all having is that when/if they introduce items like +9 implants (and other items that will actually give your character an advantage over other players) the game will in fact mean that players will be forced to spend more money in order to stay at the top etc. This would be very bad and would in fact certify the comments (as mentioned in other replies to the OP) that they're just trying to "milk the cow".
However, at this stage, they are JUST VANITY items - if you check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "vanity"
1. the state or quality of being vain; excessive pride or conceit 2. ostentation occasioned by ambition or pride 3. an instance of being vain or something about which one is vain 4. the state or quality of being valueless, futile, or unreal 5. something that is worthless or useless
My understanding from this is that VANITY items don't (and won't in future either) increase/enhance your character's abilities - i.e. you won't need to buy them to compete with others. i.e. they're not an issue. If people want to waste their money on little fashion accessories then good for them. It doesn't affect me at all, it doesn't affect you either - and if it means that ccp can get a little extra money for all their hard work in providing EVE to us (they've given us many expansion over the years and they've all been FREE!). Then great. They deserve it. Game developers work long and hard hours and their pay is generally quite poor.
So until ccp introduces character enhancing items, or ANY kind of item that gives a player some kind of advantage (in which case they wouldn't be called vanity items), there is no reason to complain unless you're just wanted to troll and you don't like people earning money they damn well deserve.
Final notes:
I Agree: - captain's quarters should've been a lesser priority to that of other items that players actually care about - it is ridiculous that we can't run multiple clients at the same time now (and the comment about having the option to turn it off is a good one) - our gameplay has serisouly been affected
But: - I see no problem with vanity items so long as it doesn't lead to more microtransactions that will enhance player/character abilities/advantage or whatever
cheers
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:26:00 -
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It doesn't take much for the Avalanche to start.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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charlie ZA
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:32:00 -
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Charlie ZA |
Darryl Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:06:00 -
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The CQ is basically beta testing walking in stations for multiple characters, and taking Eve beyond the spaceship to another level of immersion. This is something that has been talked about a lot and generates a lot of excitement among the player base, except apparently among bitter vets who run 9 clients at a time and complain when their performance slows.
The nice thing about the vanity items is they are stupid and you don't have to buy them.
And this may be a huge shocker, but CCP is a company, it does have to make money to provide Eve for us, and its employees expect to be paid. I don't see why CCP's attempts to make money is a reason for us to get mad. Some people will buy those vanity items, good for them. I won't be. As for the rest of the charges, speculating about +9 implants and Noble Faction ammo doesn't do anyone any good because it's not based on facts.
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Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mattio11 on 25/06/2011 02:04:19 Edited by: Mattio11 on 25/06/2011 02:03:33
Originally by: Darryl Ward The CQ is basically beta testing walking in stations for multiple characters, and taking Eve beyond the spaceship to another level of immersion. This is something that has been talked about a lot and generates a lot of excitement among the player base, except apparently among bitter vets who run 9 clients at a time and complain when their performance slows.
The nice thing about the vanity items is they are stupid and you don't have to buy them.
And this may be a huge shocker, but CCP is a company, it does have to make money to provide Eve for us, and its employees expect to be paid. I don't see why CCP's attempts to make money is a reason for us to get mad. Some people will buy those vanity items, good for them. I won't be. As for the rest of the charges, speculating about +9 implants and Noble Faction ammo doesn't do anyone any good because it's not based on facts.
Well said,
However in regards to the description of the CQ's being like beta testing - I do hope they respond to players' needs and reduce the graphics or at least give the option to turn it off; at least until future expansions when not only has technology caught up, but when the majority of PCs in the world are actually at that level! and can actually run multiple clients (some people with older machines struggle with just ONE client running).
CCP must realise that A LOT of their subscriptions, THEIR INCOME, is generated from players who own and run multiple accounts. This has now been hindered and if they do not address this problem quickly, they're going to see a lot of accounts suddenly go inactive! _____________________________________
"NO! TRY NOT!... Do. Or do not. ...There is no try!"
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kristoffer 'Soundwave' Touborg
If you donÆt like paying for this, you can always buy a PLEX off the market, and never have to get your credit card out. I think thatÆs pretty goddamn cool, and IÆm not entirely sure why that makes me ****** to some EVE players.
WTF is that asshat talking about? What does he actually know about the fuhrer and how does he dare compare himself with one?
I'm utterly dispised and wish this crap was known before the meeting in Moscow so that I could tell him in person how ****ing wrong he is.
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale Is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?
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HeavyWave
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: John Turbefield More revenue is of course an aim, but making our customers feel like they are being ædouble billedÆ to be able to play on the same level as others is just a step too far.
This one is more sane, but then again: who the hell told him that the revenue is the aim? The aim is to please people via providing them excellent services and the revenue is a mere consequence.
ffs. I wish those guys have read Henry Ford.
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Lerth O'Ferris
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lerth O''Ferris on 25/06/2011 03:40:35
Originally by: Priscilla Kim The question of virtual goods sales is not ôto do, or not to do?ö Rather, itÆs ôhow do we do this?ö
I ****ing loled.
The question is not "whether EVE is dying or dying not?" Rather - how long will it still last while being run in such a poor and non-Aryan way.
You guys are disgusting.
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Uriel Dragonhand
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:45:00 -
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Agreed with Sideous!!!
John Turbefield The king in the north, he has my sword!!!
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Lerth O'Ferris
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Originally by: Kristoffer 'Soundwave' Touborg
If you donÆt like paying for this, you can always buy a PLEX off the market, and never have to get your credit card out. I think thatÆs pretty goddamn cool, and IÆm not entirely sure why that makes me H i t l e r to some EVE players.
WTF is that asshat talking about? What does he actually know about the fuhrer and how does he dare compare himself with one?
I'm utterly dispised and wish this crap was known before the meeting in Moscow so that I could tell him in person how ****ing wrong he is.
I kind of smile seeing the word in bold being filtered. Stupidity is getting just overwhelming.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:56:00 -
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I fully agree. The Noble store has got to go! It is nothing more than a money grab. If we let it live right now it will ruing EvE ultimately down the road. Give a mouse a little food and it will always come back for more. CCP is getting greedy. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
Drone Marxime
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:03:00 -
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support
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Fizzie Kaufman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Fizzie Kaufman on 25/06/2011 04:06:21 complete and total agreement
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Kusachiho
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:16:00 -
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+1 _________________________________________________ There is a reason that you can't spell "risk" without "isk".
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