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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:53:00 -
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Basically that arrogant ass assumes that players will just yell and scream but at the end of the day they will buy the monocles...and keep playing EVE.
Well...we will see about that.
ALso, players who do not play EVE are seeing this...and they are not likely to play.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:54:00 -
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This allegedly LEAKED E-MAIL from the CEO of CCP only seems to discuss the prices set forth for the NeX RM store. I couldn't care less about the monocles. I won't be buying them.
Regardless, its not the reason people are angry and dissappointed. People want assurance that the NeX store will NEVER move beyond vanity (NON GAMEPLAY IMPACTING) items. That all it will be is a store for fluff.
As for the pricing on items. High prices in the real world are based around either:
CCP is trying to make a name for the NeX items, but it won't work.
- a rare limited stock product,
CCP is providing neither of those to its customers. The NeX items are infinite. Everyone in New Eden could have one and there would still be am unlimited supply.
extremely high quality products,
The quality of the MONOCLE eyepiece can't from a production point of view be worth more than 80 dollars (its a simple model with a simple shader and some sculpting on the characters face). It can be designed and produced in a few hours time. Yet CCP is asking the actual production cost of the item to everyone who wants to buy it.
- extremely rare materials,
Its a digital item, there are no rare materials involved.
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CCP is trying to sell something that has no true value for outrageously high prices. While Supply and Demand should tell them that if these items were priced fairly, they would have sold hundreds or thousands of them buy now, and AUR / PLEX prices would have not impacted the market as much as it has.
HILMAR, your experts are clearly incompetent. selling 50 x 80$ over 40 hours. While you could have sold 9000+ x 4$ over the same period of time.
Other games have tried to sell these kinds of items yes, but usually at fair pricing.
- SECOND LIFE: However in this game items are made by the people that play the game, and they get real money back for it in return. This game is a virtual reality. In EVE CCP is the only company that actually produces these items, and the playerbase is completely different from the one in Second Life. In EVE players value the fact that they have worked hard, or that someone else worked hard to produce or provide a rare battleship, faction ammo, or their standings.
By selling these items from CCP, there is no community involvement anymore and the items would effect gameplay.
- TEAM FORTRESS 2 & LEAGUE OF LEGENDS: These games offer a NON-PERSISTENT world in which 2 teams of identical characters go head to head. The only reason its worth while to buy these items is because of the meta-gaming. However Incarna does not supply this, and the EVE character creator already gives us a great amount of freedom to customize our characters. There is no incentive to buy any of these items, and god forbid they ever become more than vanity items, as the community would explode on you.
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Incarna is a game that was launched with the WORST PR & COMMUNICATION ever. Deployment wise it might have gone well.
But there was no proper communication from CCP before or after its launch. People are having trouble running the Mandatory Captains Quarters / NeX items showcase.
If CCP does not come out soon and puts the player bases concerns to rest, this will all end in tears. LISTEN to your community CCP, they are the ones that made you to what you are today, If you lose their trust completely, you will never get it back.
Public opinion can be easily taken for granted but once tainted will never recover and drive you into the ground. Your subs will drop, and no 80 dollar monocles will save it! Act NOW, before it is too late.
Hyperforce, --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Dude Wheresyourpod
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dude Wheresyourpod on 25/06/2011 08:58:45 IF this is real (put as much emphasis on the "if" as you need), this basically confirms it: CCP's plans to bring non-vanity cashshop items into the game are, sadly, confirmed. Time to unsub, then?
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Ayame Yubari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:58:00 -
[64]
Cannot believe what I'm reading here. This is some of the most delusional stuff I've read in my life. And I'm no old school Eve vet with tears in my eyes over every change, I'm only a few months old. I'm really about to unsubscribe.
Or is this fake? I'm having a hard time imagining this is really a serious email by none less than the CEO of CCP.
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AnzacPaul
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:59:00 -
[65]
Hilmar has been in the game 10 years, but must of never have heard of Star Wars Galaxies.
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Madcapnl
The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:00:00 -
[66]
I guess his attitude is summed up by this: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/210800.html
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Emiko P'eng
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:24:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Hyperforce99 This allegedly LEAKED E-MAIL from the CEO of CCP only seems to discuss the prices set forth for the NeX RM store. I couldn't care less about the monocles. I won't be buying them.
Regardless, its not the reason people are angry and dissappointed. People want assurance that the NeX store will NEVER move beyond vanity (NON GAMEPLAY IMPACTING) items. That all it will be is a store for fluff.
As for the pricing on items. High prices in the real world are based around either:
CCP is trying to make a name for the NeX items, but it won't work.
- a rare limited stock product,
CCP is providing neither of those to its customers. The NeX items are infinite. Everyone in New Eden could have one and there would still be am unlimited supply.
extremely high quality products,
The quality of the MONOCLE eyepiece can't from a production point of view be worth more than 80 dollars (its a simple model with a simple shader and some sculpting on the characters face). It can be designed and produced in a few hours time. Yet CCP is asking the actual production cost of the item to everyone who wants to buy it.
- extremely rare materials,
Its a digital item, there are no rare materials involved.
--------------------------------------------------
CCP is trying to sell something that has no true value for outrageously high prices. While Supply and Demand should tell them that if these items were priced fairly, they would have sold hundreds or thousands of them buy now, and AUR / PLEX prices would have not impacted the market as much as it has.
HILMAR, your experts are clearly incompetent. selling 50 x 80$ over 40 hours. While you could have sold 9000+ x 4$ over the same period of time.
Other games have tried to sell these kinds of items yes, but usually at fair pricing.
- SECOND LIFE: However in this game items are made by the people that play the game, and they get real money back for it in return. This game is a virtual reality. In EVE CCP is the only company that actually produces these items, and the playerbase is completely different from the one in Second Life. In EVE players value the fact that they have worked hard, or that someone else worked hard to produce or provide a rare battleship, faction ammo, or their standings.
By selling these items from CCP, there is no community involvement anymore and the items would effect gameplay.
- TEAM FORTRESS 2 & LEAGUE OF LEGENDS: These games offer a NON-PERSISTENT world in which 2 teams of identical characters go head to head. The only reason its worth while to buy these items is because of the meta-gaming. However Incarna does not supply this, and the EVE character creator already gives us a great amount of freedom to customize our characters. There is no incentive to buy any of these items, and god forbid they ever become more than vanity items, as the community would explode on you.
--------------------------------------------------------
Incarna is a game that was launched with the WORST PR & COMMUNICATION ever. Deployment wise it might have gone well.
But there was no proper communication from CCP before or after its launch. People are having trouble running the Mandatory Captains Quarters / NeX items showcase.
If CCP does not come out soon and puts the player bases concerns to rest, this will all end in tears. LISTEN to your community CCP, they are the ones that made you to what you are today, If you lose their trust completely, you will never get it back.
Public opinion can be easily taken for granted but once tainted will never recover and drive you into the ground. Your subs will drop, and no 80 dollar monocles will save it! Act NOW, before it is too late.
Hyperforce,
+1
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Ultranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 -
[68]
If you read this through a monocle, it will actually make sense.
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Takumi Shinano
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Takumi Shinano on 25/06/2011 10:31:57 If by "Making virtual worlds more meaningful than real life" he means that the digital t-shirts he sells actually cost more than the real ones, then I suppose he has, indeed, achieved that.
On the other hand, it sounds like he hit his head in the shower before he wrote that email. Writing arrogant crap about your customers in a corporate environment prone to leakage is just... dumb.
Oooh! Wait!
We all know that the store items are laughably priced in terms of RL money. Would anyone like to speculate how much INGAME value they have, expressed in terms of how a single Isk is supposed to feed a planetary family for an insanely long time?
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:32:00 -
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"defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life"
What a sad little statement this is. He should get a grip. However, I do fear that he is right in that the minority of intelligent players who care for the integrity of the game will voice their concerns and perhaps leave. But the vast majority will be buying shortcuts to success in the game. And all those who leave will be replaced by a mass of lazy drones who want to be special by acquiring what anyone can and everyone has.
Remind you of any other MMOs?
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Sajad
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 -
[71]
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:43:00 -
[72]
If this doesn't make you unsubscribe, nothing will.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: JitaBum If this doesn't make you unsubscribe, nothing will.
If THAT makes you unsubscribe, MMOs are not for you. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Nath Blazek
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:45:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Optional Patch
Originally by: Ometheos Oribili
Stop... the laughing.. it hurts..
omg....best image yet.. Cant stop laughing...\o/ -
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Of Course!
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Tamahra
Gallente Apina. United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Darveses they can nuke as much they want, this isnt gonna go away.
ÇÇP:
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:50:00 -
[76]
This thread lives?
FREE Helicity and Niang! |
Tamahra
Gallente Apina. United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:51:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Nath Blazek
Originally by: Optional Patch
Originally by: Ometheos Oribili
Stop... the laughing.. it hurts..
omg....best image yet.. Cant stop laughing...\o/
rofl
ÇÇP:
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Cmdr Zander
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Zander on 27/06/2011 22:52:01
First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement.
Amazing technological and artistic achievement ? watching your Avatar sitting on a couch and sniffing your graphic card MELTING ?
Pinnacle of professional ACHIEVEMENT ? SERIOUSLY ????
AH AH AH AH AH AH AH
CCP is tooo far from Reality after these words... they have passed the point of no return... EVE is doomed... it's better that we find another MMORPG like KOTOR ONLINE or something like that...
cya
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: JitaBum If this doesn't make you unsubscribe, nothing will.
If THAT makes you unsubscribe, MMOs are not for you.
Akita, I started playing this game because it wasn't like other MMOs. It had a giant player-driven economy. PVP everywhere. Hugely complex, so much so that there are entire corps dedicated to helping you learn the game (o/ E-UNI). Nothing was spawned out of thin air. Dying meant you lost your stuff. And of course, SPACESHIPS.
It was dark, and harsh, and brutal, and it attracted like-minded players. Players who pulled off the GHSC heist, the E-BANK scam, the infiltration of BoB, etc, etc. The players who, over the years, created the stories that provided CCP with free marketing, and attracted like-minded newbies.
There are precious few MMOs like that.
Now resources are being pushed towards new features, and Incarna/WoD/Dust instead of spaceships, and our precious game is headed down the dark path of game-affecting MTs and pay-to-win.
And CCP doesn't look at what we say, but what we do.
What are we supposed to do, Akita? Because I can't subsidize this behavior, not with my money and not with anyone else's. ---
R.I.P.
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Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:07:00 -
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I see nothing wrong with his email, simply stating a bunch of cry babies will whine like you are now and then it will set it and you will accept it. I won;t change **** all you oh the sand box wahh wahh wahh, I will happily pod you teh same way I have been since 03
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra Vouland I see nothing wrong with his email, simply stating a bunch of cry babies will whine like you are now and then it will set it and you will accept it. I won;t change **** all you oh the sand box wahh wahh wahh, I will happily pod you teh same way I have been since 03
And if there isn't anyone building spaceships?
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