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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.02.21 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 21/02/2005 18:25:21
Get well soon.
Better*
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.21 18:27:00 -
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Well interesting but i have to agree with lifewire ur not safe from any misiles while orbiting my speed is high i can maintain 2000m/s plus quite easily and i dont change direction but obvioulsy becuase of this interception thing u still get hit.I think this really means that interceptors r basically useless against any type of missile firing ship cept maybe the crow as i cant fly that so i dont know
but cetainly the claw is no good.Ill try orbiting at 20km in claw c if that makes any difference but i know it will be a real struggle to maintain my cap using disruptor
And to mac - plz explain how u mnaully orbit a target that would be nice to know
The other thing is that i have not lost a single fight to other interceptors or frigs
including crows and raptors so i cant be that bad
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.21 18:35:00 -
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Also it would be nice to hear from a claw pilot most of u posting here r flying crows or taranis is there actually a claw pilot who is having any joy against cruisers out there or is the claw just not good enough as i suspect
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.02.21 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lodhi on 21/02/2005 19:00:20
 Originally by: Lifewire
I think a lof of you are talking about theory - some practice now: even torpedoes can hit an interceptor because all missiles types fly to the position where they will "meet" with the orbiting ship. Torpedoes can hit you if your run 4000 m/s and orbit a BS because you will mwd into their range. I did attacks on BS and cruisers and be sure: the missiles and torpedoes will probably hit if you orbit. Right now this makes Caldary ships nearly invincible and dangerous for tacklers of a gankfleet. Especially Ravens are absolutly safe and can only be tackled using flyby-attacks and several tacklers. Even if the target BS or cruiser is jammed, the FOFs might still toast your expensive interceptor.
I was hit by a volley of torpedoes orbiting a Raven at 5 km with at least 2700 m/s. You say it¦s impossible? No, because these torps "park" exactly there where your interceptor will fly too - and suddenly "kaboom".
Yep missiles intercept, only ways of getting away from is:
A: Warp
B: Go in a straight line with ure mwd on and have the sig of a large cruiser, guess all knows what that leads to 
C: Change orbit distance over and over and over and hope ure lucky.
Any way these are the ways that work for me (sometimes)
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.21 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 21/02/2005 19:39:38
My Claws have all been my babies, I loved them to death :)
I'm an autocannon guy for Claw though not much experience with 250/280.. Basicly with autocannons you TANK TANK and use web no scrambler, but with 250/280 you should definatly not get within webrange!! if you engage a cruiser, mwd+20km disruptor.
It was a while since i fitted 250/280 but i think something like this worked out very nicely:
tracking enhancer, gyro, 2*cap-relay
Wont say that was exactly how i fitted but close to, can keep the 20km for a good while with mwd plus with no tank and plates you outrun most other intys.
Manual orbiting btw means that you doubleclick in space like a madman to stay in range for disruptor and guns, instead of using the orbit-commande at a fixed range.
If you set a range missiles calculate and hit you, if you manually orbit they cant calculate because you keep changing direction all the time -> you outrun them.
I feel im rambling..happens when computer is busted and you cant play Eve 
edit, btw tracking enhancer in low was before Claw got the trackingbonus, i dont know how artys perform now when mwd'ing a target..
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splattercat
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Posted - 2005.02.22 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Knife
if u cant outrun a heavy missle in a minmatar ceptor u dont deserve to fly them. Jump in a frig and learn that way. Try manually orbiting not setting an orbit as missile intercept ur ship, when missiles are released change direction. Defenders do work, train the skill up to lvl4 or 5 and they will work even better. Also your warp scramblers run for 30 seconds, during that time u can go outside scramble range, when it runs out go back in and scramble again then jump back out, it isnt that hard, if u keep loosing ceptors this way i suggest you stop flying them.
Some ppl just orbit and hope thay done die....Use the mouse ppl to move in and out at angles the missiles are not comeing at you from...If you think about the kill... 9 times out of 10 you will get it..(ok EW will stop you but hell warp out, no loss)
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The PitBoss
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
...... as i have lost several lately to far inferior skilled players using heavy missiles in cruisers against my claw
Hmmm .. 
The Pitboss
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Geren Basbar
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Geren Basbar on 22/02/2005 01:29:36
I keep a webber on my Caracal so I can catch any unwary inteceptors. I volley from the Caracal seems more than enough to pop one, especially if you stick drones on em. I do however, think that a Thorax could destroy an interceptor easily. Especially if they have lvl 5 drone interfacing and just let a bunch of light drones after the interceptor (lights go at 3.2 km/sec last time i checked) The thorax has enough drone space to keep many extra lights in case some get popped. (I also doubt any interceptor pilots would equip smartbombs...)
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Ginger Magician
...... as i have lost several lately to far inferior skilled players using heavy missiles in cruisers against my claw
Hmmm ..
Ex-ACTLY!
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: splattercat
Originally by: Mac Knife
if u cant outrun a heavy missle in a minmatar ceptor u dont deserve to fly them. Jump in a frig and learn that way. Try manually orbiting not setting an orbit as missile intercept ur ship, when missiles are released change direction. Defenders do work, train the skill up to lvl4 or 5 and they will work even better. Also your warp scramblers run for 30 seconds, during that time u can go outside scramble range, when it runs out go back in and scramble again then jump back out, it isnt that hard, if u keep loosing ceptors this way i suggest you stop flying them.
Some ppl just orbit and hope thay done die....Use the mouse ppl to move in and out at angles the missiles are not comeing at you from...If you think about the kill... 9 times out of 10 you will get it..(ok EW will stop you but hell warp out, no loss)
Good point. Just like in the real world. The missles in intercept the target rather then following the target. The best way to counter the missle is to approach it HEAD ON at fullspeed and then turn either to the left or the right at the very last minute. The missle will the have to turn around and by the time you should be attacking the aggressor or warping out. Now, I have done this against NPC but it still should apply in PvP.
Now, if CCP decides to add proxemity missles then that tatic is out of the question.
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noitulos
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Posted - 2005.02.23 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: RALPH RODRIGUEZ
A interceptor should almost always kill a tech 1 cruiser, if you can't survive u gotta look at your set up, especially speed.
Agreed. Actually I'd say that tech1 cruisers are the easiest thing to kill in an intercepter, apart from t1 frigs.
Not sure why you guys are having so much trouble. Maybe try ditching the short range setup.
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:23:00 -
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I have no problems killing 99% of the cruisers/bc's, if they have heavy missiles it's tricky though, if they have heavy missiles and web, then there isn't a point.
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Captain Noar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Noar on 23/02/2005 18:42:11
Hmm, I am still a noob and inexperienced player (little over a month) and I was still able to fend off an intercepter three times already. I was in my rax. I was not taking much damage and my light drones were taking care of business. I could easily of popped them if I had prevented them from warping.
Also, I always have a couple of small guns to supplement my three Med guns. (though the drones are enought to take em down anyways)
I can't really see loosing to an interceptor. I could see loosing to 3 of them though.
Perhaps they are meant for pack hunting? In a pack I can see them taking down a lot bigger things than a cruiser.
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Noar
Edited by: Captain Noar on 23/02/2005 18:42:11
Hmm, I am still a noob and inexperienced player (little over a month) and I was still able to fend off an intercepter three times already. I was in my rax. I was not taking much damage and my light drones were taking care of business. I could easily of popped them if I had prevented them from warping.
Also, I always have a couple of small guns to supplement my three Med guns. (though the drones are enought to take em down anyways)
I can't really see loosing to an interceptor. I could see loosing to 3 of them though.
Perhaps they are meant for pack hunting? In a pack I can see them taking down a lot bigger things than a cruiser.
For the solo ceptor a thorax or vexor with light drones is a deathtrap, especially with light guns, on my vexor i use 14 light drones and 4 small guns, along with the right equipment to hold the frigate/ceptor, only problem is when there is more than 4 then the tank will last abit, depends on how good the pilots attacking are.
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:01:00 -
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I was attacked by a crow and in my caracal.
I took the guy down to 3/4 struct then he warped away, I had 97% shield left...
Now maybe he was a noob ?
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wappy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:16:00 -
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ginger only 2km/s in a ceptor means even the slowest of med drones will catch up on you get your speed up if you want to go and hit gal cruisers although i supose if they know you coming in a ceptor you dead anyway especcially at less then 10km
as med electron blasters will******you as they track real good and you are in webber range get to 15-20km if you want to kill them without dying althoug against gal you will need like 50km before they can use their drones on you anymore.
get in touch with Khal dominicus he managed to get away from my dom in his claw with 11% structure and i was mining. so ceptor vs gal = dead ceptor especially thorax dom and vexor will own you but most of their other cruisers and bs can hold their own with light med drones and they go 4km/s so get a life and come back to GW so duff and i can get a shot at you.
We miss killing ya
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MachineMk2
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: MachineMk2 on 24/02/2005 14:55:25
What's wrong Ginger? Can't afford to loose Armageddon's and Apocs anymore?
Oh, wait...your ALT Crom'ar Lev was the one in the Claw.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:45:00 -
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Actually claw is great for podding confed nobos
but its hopeless against cruisers - havnet been able to find setup or method
still when they think im in claw and they get all excited and camp gate with 4 ships me gets in my nice fof firing raven and pwns em all
4 in 30secs hehe
cheers confed
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Best
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Posted - 2005.02.25 06:20:00 -
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All i have to say about Snowy versus Confed with their Assault frigs is:
Victim: Crom'ar Lev
Corporation: OctoberSnow Corp
Destroyed Type: Claw
Solar System: Niyabainen
System Security Level: 1.0
Name: Best (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.8
Corporation: Empowerment
Ship Type: Capsule
Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I
Victim: Crom'ar Lev
Corporation: OctoberSnow Corp
Destroyed Type: Claw
Solar System: Hurtoken
System Security Level: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Best (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.8
Corporation: Empowerment
Ship Type: Blackbird
Weapon Type: Scourge Heavy Missile I
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.02.25 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 25/02/2005 14:38:20
The problem is as soon as the cruiser Nos/Neuts you, you slow down and die. If you fight a cruiser without a nos/neut/web/ew then you might stand a chance. Its easy to outrun heavy missles in your inty if you dont have to worry about slowing down.
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.02.25 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ordo Abchao
I have no problems killing 99% of the cruisers/bc's, if they have heavy missiles it's tricky though, if they have heavy missiles and web, then there isn't a point.
hmm aint u the one who tryed to go after my enyo in a malediction?
Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace |
Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.02.26 02:21:00 -
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Just buy a crusader and orbit at 15km and just pound away. The only thing that could kill you is small guns and light drones. Thats why i love to pwn lone caracals because they cant do **** against a crusader
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Makeh
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Posted - 2005.02.26 14:04:00 -
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2005.02.23 23:02:00
Victim: Polaras
Corporation: Celestial Horizon Corp.
Destroyed Type: Blackbird
Solar System: 5-LCI7
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Makeh (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.7
Corporation: Botox Bandits
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I
Destroyed items:
Type: Scourge Heavy Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 25
Type: Sensor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Medium Capacitor Battery I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Afterburners (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 76
Type: Sensor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Scourge Heavy Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 25
Type: Heavy Neutron Blaster I (Fitted - High slot)
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.02.26 17:29:00 -
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2005.02.04 16:48:00
Victim: Mizu
Corporation: Gray Death Legion
Destroyed Type: Thorax
Solar System: Lossa
System Security Level: 0.8
Involved parties:
Name: Mac Knife (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -2.0
Corporation: Company of Wolves
Ship Type: Taranis
Weapon Type: Light Ion Blaster II
Destroyed items:
Type: Hammerhead I (Drone Bay)
Quantity: 1
Type: Heavy Electron Blaster I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 200
Type: Capacitor Power Relay I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Heavy Electron Blaster I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Energized Thermic Membrane I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Linear Flux Stabilizer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 200
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siim
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Posted - 2005.02.26 17:34:00 -
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I really want to see a ceptor that could kill my maller
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.02.26 18:59:00 -
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2005.02.25 14:56:00
Victim: F Borg
Corporation: North Star Networks
Destroyed Type: Blackbird
Solar System: Jita
System Security Level: 0.9
Involved parties:
Name: Balistic Void (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -0.2
Corporation: Forsaken Empire
Ship Type: Stiletto
Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I
Destroyed items:
Type: 200mm Carbide Railgun I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Defender I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 6
Type: Plutonium Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 73
Type: Plutonium Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 70
Type: Plutonium Charge M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 70
Type: 10MN MicroWarpdrive I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Reactor Control Unit I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: ECM - Multispectral Jammer I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: ECM - Multispectral Jammer I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Defender I (Cargo)
Quantity: 490
2005.02.25 23:43:00
Victim: Roulf
Corporation: Liga Freier Terraner
Destroyed Type: Thorax
Solar System: P3EN-E
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Balistic Void (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -0.2
Corporation: Forsaken Empire
Ship Type: Taranis
Weapon Type: 125mm Railgun II
Destroyed items:
Type: Limited Light Neutron Blaster I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 10MN MicroWarpdrive I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Hammerhead I (Drone Bay)
Quantity: 2
Type: Acolyte I (Drone Bay)
Type: Hobgoblin I (Drone Bay)
Type: Adaptive Nano Plating II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Hammerhead I (Drone Bay)
Quantity: 7
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 46
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 46
Type: Warrior I (Drone Bay)
Type: Iron Charge S (Cargo)
Quantity: 1500
Type: Stasis Webifier I (Fitted - Medium slot)
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Arte
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Posted - 2005.02.26 19:51:00 -
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This is turning into a pi$$ing contest. Try and grow up some.
Lets leave the testosterone at the door and keep it on topic or it will get locked.
In answer to the original post, I think that the easy answer is it's a question of fitting. If they have web/drones then you need to be spot on with your tactics (read, know when to run).
Most 'ceptors could take a cruiser out, if the cruiser was either a) set up wrong, or b) in the hands of someone who didnt know how to use it properly.
It's the same with every ship type, pick your fights.
Despite there being some very good winner-takes-all setups, even they fall foul at times.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.28 02:43:00 -
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Lets c a killmail of a cruiser with a claw then i would really be impressed - i notice people dont shout too much about minmtar ceptors
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.28 02:47:00 -
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AND @BALLISTIC those killmails u posted r nice but i dont c any heavy missiles on the cruisers u killed - that was point of my original - even I have killed non missile firing cruisers in my claw.I want to c a mail where a claw kills a cruiser which is firing heavy missiles at it.The stilleto dont count becuase u probably jammed that bb
Thats the challenge.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.02.28 02:51:00 -
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The most impressive killmail here is makeh's because u can clearly c that he was dealing with a cruiser with at least 3 heavy launchers although the crow is clearly a lot better than the claw as everyone knows
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