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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:36:00 -
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Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
ifollowed through
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
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Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
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AveryFaneActual
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
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This is like telling the judge you said "surprise" first
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Olvel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
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I think it's stupid to go looking for a blanket promise of "no pay-to-win" from CCP...
Regardless of what their plans are at this point in time, the entire industry is moving towards cash stores and microstransactions and whatever else.
Even if CCP says "no pay-to-win" today, next year the landscape may look very different.
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ifollowed through
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
bull****... don't you think that given the the amount of rage on TQ and the forums ... Zulu would have made a point of being as TOTALLY CLEAR AND PRECISE AS POSSIBLE in the the answer to that particular question. The fact that he used a euphemism either means he's completely inept at PR or is unable to answer the question.
you sir are the idiot for sucking up this hogwash
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Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
Last year they said "there are no plans for microtransactions in eve".
Saying "There have been no plans for a specific color of ammo" is meaningless. |
Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
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Apparently one of the CSM has confirmed that "Gold ammo" meant no P2W. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Apparently one of the CSM has confirmed that "Gold ammo" meant no P2W.
I want to see a devblog or blue bar with the exact quote:
"The NeX store and aurum will only be used for vanity items, as long as there is a sub fee." |
Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: ifollowed through
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
bull****... don't you think that given the the amount of rage on TQ and the forums ... Zulu would have made a point of being as TOTALLY CLEAR AND PRECISE AS POSSIBLE in the the answer to that particular question. The fact that he used a euphemism either means he's completely inept at PR or is unable to answer the question.
you sir are the idiot for sucking up this hogwash
It was perfectly clear and precise. You just still have your rage blinders on.
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Damodreda Makura
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
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It doesn't mean it sadly. It's more like: "-I don't shoot this man officer!" And then put a blood covered knife in the the pocket."
I never finish anyt... |
Drachenfels Constant
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
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CCP Zulu's blog is meaningless, without a simple clear and concise statement like "There will be no game altering items on sale in the NEX store" or "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" you the customer can be assured that's it's goign to happen.
Waiting a week is a simple tactic to deflate the situation and wear down morale of those that are protesting about this situation.
The CSM is not required for this issue. A simple direct statement is. As for the CSM members, they could call CCP out on this now but won't as they position is to precious to them to lose. Therefore they won't rock the boat in anyway that jepardizes their position.
As it stands you can wait and see, I suggest you unsub as I have and watch this space, there are otehr places to play and socialize and EvE is ultimately not RL.
It's interesting to watch this unfold though. As CCP is a service company, it's mind boggling that they wont talk directly to you and sort this out.
Hell even GOA openly spoke to the WAR playerbase in Europe when the launch went south.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
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As widely accepted a phrase gold ammo is to mean pay to win, in these circumstances it would be much easier for the community and CCP if they were literally say...
NON VANITY ITEMS WILL NOT BE SOLD ON THE NOBLE EXCHANGE.
However they keep failing to phrase anything like that...
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 20:05:22 Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 20:04:43
Originally by: ifollowed through
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
bull****... don't you think that given the the amount of rage on TQ and the forums ... Zulu would have made a point of being as TOTALLY CLEAR AND PRECISE AS POSSIBLE in the the answer to that particular question. The fact that he used a euphemism either means he's completely inept at PR or is unable to answer the question.
you sir are the idiot for sucking up this hogwash
With ÇÇP I have an extreme suspicion of euphemisms. What the feck is so hard about simply saying "We will never, ever, sell game-changing items or features"? They just seem to have an inbuilt tendency to leave themselves an escape hatch. I can all too easily picture them saying in a few months time "Well, we said AMMO, that's all. Nothing about ships, skill points, reduced learning times, etc."
Of course, now we're getting comments/hearsay such as "Gold Ammo is a phrase that means No Non-Vanity items" and "we hear that a CSM has confirmed this to mean no P2W" but for the love of God, ÇÇP - SAY WHAT YOU MEAN. Children can do it, so it can't be hard for intelligent, articulate adults to do likewise.
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ifollowed through
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
It was perfectly clear and precise. You just still have your rage blinders on.
and you have CCP man milk in your eyes
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Drachenfels Constant CCP Zulu's blog is meaningless, without a simple clear and concise statement like "There will be no game altering items on sale in the NEX store" or "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" you the customer can be assured that's it's goign to happen.
Both blogs had exactly that. That is what "fearless was used and meant solely for discussion" means. You and all the other fools making these stupid topics just want the same thing said in your words, a thousand different ways.
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Rion Deteisan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:07:00 -
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Yeah, the ammo actually was going to be PLATINUM..
There, cleared up.
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Drachenfels Constant CCP Zulu's blog is meaningless, without a simple clear and concise statement like "There will be no game altering items on sale in the NEX store" or "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" you the customer can be assured that's it's goign to happen.
Both blogs had exactly that. That is what "fearless was used and meant solely for discussion" means. You and all the other fools making these stupid topics just want the same thing said in your words, a thousand different ways.
pls quote the relevant parts that state "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" then...
*crickets*
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Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: ifollowed through
bull****... don't you think that given the the amount of rage on TQ and the forums ... Zulu would have made a point of being as TOTALLY CLEAR AND PRECISE AS POSSIBLE in the the answer to that particular question.
LOL. No! I'm loving your tears. I bet CCP is too.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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There will be a form of 'pay to win' in Dust and dusties will effect our game, market, etc. That needs to be discussed as waiting until that goes into beta or live will be too late for EVE.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Solstice Project on 26/06/2011 20:10:25
Originally by: ifollowed through
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: ifollowed through Edited by: ifollowed through on 26/06/2011 19:37:45
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
if it did they would have said no P2W... they didn't, so yeah it doesn't
Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. "Gold ammo" has been used as a euphemism for superior stuff that you buy for money. It's exactly what "P2W" means.
bull****... don't you think that given the the amount of rage on TQ and the forums ... Zulu would have made a point of being as TOTALLY CLEAR AND PRECISE AS POSSIBLE in the the answer to that particular question. The fact that he used a euphemism either means he's completely inept at PR or is unable to answer the question.
you sir are the idiot for sucking up this hogwash
Err ... for your wording, the only idiot here is yourself.
Using the " clearly states he meant "items to buy that give an advantage". Learn to understand what other people read.
Of course, there's the HUGE possibility that you do not have any trust in his words and i REALLY understand your position then ... but that doesn't really rectify your rage.
It doesn't matter how he meant it ... use of words is clear here ... and we have their balls for this now !
(altough, tbh, CCP fails at empathy and so fails at communication) (but that simply is NO excuse)
Clarification: These guys either do not know how to be precise, or aren't precise for a reason! Sometimes i believe the former, sometimes i believe the latter...
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I Love Boobies
Amarr All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
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Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 20:12:10
Yeah notice how they didnt say NO PAY TO WIN.
But no gold ammo and that they had no plans for gold ammo. So as long as they dont make gold ammo, that claim is true.
They are putting one over on us again. Dont fall for it.
Originally by: I Love Boobies Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
They have been caught lying to us. You have to make them literally say it to hold them too it. Anything less is just giving them room to wiggle out of it later.
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Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: I Love Boobies Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
If there is no pay to win being planned at all, why fly the CSMs out to iceland? |
Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 26/06/2011 20:16:19 Well, we players ourselves coined the term GOLDEN AMMO... so, perhaps hes just trying to speak OUR Language
Originally by: Galding
If there is no pay to win being planned at all, why fly the CSMs out to iceland?
1. Because you are still asking it. 2. There are more concerns right now, and the CSM knows those. (see the EVE-RADIO podcast)
(http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1074-dissecting-ccp-a-funkybacon-talk-special) --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99 Well, we players ourselves coined the term GOLDEN AMMO... so, perhaps hes just trying to speak OUR Language
Actually, that's what they called it in the fearless newsletter. something about buying faction standings/gold ammo/new ships with AUR. |
Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Drachenfels Constant CCP Zulu's blog is meaningless, without a simple clear and concise statement like "There will be no game altering items on sale in the NEX store" or "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" you the customer can be assured that's it's goign to happen.
Both blogs had exactly that. That is what "fearless was used and meant solely for discussion" means. You and all the other fools making these stupid topics just want the same thing said in your words, a thousand different ways.
"We will never sell game-affecting items or features" is hard for them to say? There's more of an answer in that short sentence that in the two 'Informative' blogs that have been released, put together! What they release reeks of equivocation and hedging their bets. HOWEVER, I'll just ascribe that to very clumsy PR for the meantime, and let them have yet ANOTHER meeting.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:16:00 -
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Guys, it's not that hard to grasp.
He said "gold ammo", with ", which means he used the term generally for everything that regards "items that give advantage when paid for with real money".
Talking about this is useless, we have their balls here in hands, ready to crush! ... if necessary. (yuck .......... *lol*)
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cecil b d'milf
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Galding
Originally by: I Love Boobies Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
If there is no pay to win being planned at all, why fly the CSMs out to iceland?
quite
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Olvel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps As widely accepted a phrase gold ammo is to mean pay to win, in these circumstances it would be much easier for the community and CCP if they were literally say...
NON VANITY ITEMS WILL NOT BE SOLD ON THE NOBLE EXCHANGE.
However they keep failing to phrase anything like that...
If I worked at CCP there is absolutely no way in hell that I'd say those words. Regardless of what the plan was.
Plans change. You put a blanket statement like that in writing and you're just setting yourself up for a fall later.
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