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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey.
Wel go ahead and biomass your characters and start anew. It's not about SP after all .. ? |
Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months.
That's just stupid.
People aren't happy unless you are as miserable as they were....
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:11:00
Originally by: Akira Samposeppa
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind.
Yeah i agree. And about skills, they are not everything in eve, for instance i dont know what to train next, i have everything i need (except for jump freighter but thats a pain to train so i wont even start :P ).
But if everyone could buy skills than that would be "iwin" button, everyone would buy themselves their gun skills at 5 and it would even out the playing field. Also it would screw up the character market, and some players have a profesion, sort of, to develop and sell characters.
Well what's wrong with an equal player field, there's plenty of other things to make a difference, like ISK, cooperation, player skill. In the end SP is just the self-entitled superiority of the vets that "should be stronger, more versatile, more flexible because they payed more months of subscription". SP differences are almost the same as WoW gear differences. I'm in favour of player skill and teamwork and I dispise artificial "SP" or "XP" nonsense!
What the character bazaar is concerned you have a good point. I'd also agree with it if you could transfer skills or SP between characters for PLEX so the total number of SP in the game would stay equal.
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months.
That's just stupid.
People aren't happy unless you are as miserable as they were....
Yes, I guess so. Because our ancestors lived in the stone age so shoud we?! |
Thomas Orca
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Orca on 27/06/2011 17:11:35
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months.
That's just stupid.
... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarrier at the same time?
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Dopesick
Minmatar The Dream is Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:01:32
Originally by: Dopesick
Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long
1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants
Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months.
That's just stupid.
Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest.
The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too.
Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage.
That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it.
But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet.
Very well said, I couldn't agree more!!!!
Two things stand in the way: 1. Self-entitled vets who think they deserve to have an everlasting advantage because "they payed more months subscription"; 2. CCP who's afraid that the game's content alone isn't good enough to keep people playing.
Please go back to WoW, really...
V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not? |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Orca
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid.
... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarriers at the same time?
Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:14:00 -
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OP is a good troll, many of latched on.
Also its not always about skillpoints but sometimes it is, and when it is it can be enjoyable for at least for one of the involved parties, why take the lolz away?
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins OP is a good troll, many of latched on.
Also its not always about skillpoints but sometimes it is, and when it is it can be enjoyable for at least for one of the involved parties, why take the lolz away?
The ******ed few is good enough for me. :/
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Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:19:00 -
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OP is a troll and got a lot of bites from people who think they have 2 brain cells to rub together. No, you should never be able to sell skill points... As someone else has already pointed out, you can pretty much already do this by buying characters anyways. Your only going to cause the subscriber base to crash. old high-sp characters have an advantage and they SHOULD have an advantage. the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? Also, a good focused skill training plan can get a character into some good ship/setups pretty farking fast. Just because you cant do everything immediately doesn't mean you cant to anything!
The EVE Personality Test
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Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Maul555 OP is a troll and got a lot of bites from people who think they have 2 brain cells to rub together. No, you should never be able to sell skill points... As someone else has already pointed out, you can pretty much already do this by buying characters anyways. Your only going to cause the subscriber base to crash. old high-sp characters have an advantage and they SHOULD have an advantage. the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? Also, a good focused skill training plan can get a character into some good ship/setups pretty farking fast. Just because you cant do everything immediately doesn't mean you cant to anything!
I beg to differ. spending 200 bucks for a 30m sp char gives so much satisfaction than waiting a year or two for it.
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Jeebus Cockmeister
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx.
Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know...
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest.
The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too.
Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage.
That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it.
But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet.
I just thought it was necessary to point out you don't have to be at the computer 24/7. I do wonder where this Mabah Vin post came from as it does not seem to be in this thread. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Samposeppa on 27/06/2011 17:23:49
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
What the character bazaar is concerned you have a good point. I'd also agree with it if you could transfer skills or SP between characters for PLEX so the total number of SP in the game would stay equal.
Yeah, transfering skill points between characters instead of buying SPs that spawn from the void is much better imho. And ccp could put a aurum tax on transfer and there you go, everybody is happy. For instance, if this was implemented i could buy that jump freighter skill from you instead of just waiting for it to finish. (or in this case not even bothering to start training it)
But on the other hand this is pretty murky territory, so it would need to be implemented very carefully and discussed above and beyond before implementation.
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Moro Oskold
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jeebus ****meister
Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx.
Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know...
Sure Jeebus ****meister
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Maul555 the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort.
LOL!!! What "hard work" Watching a clock tick by the seconds so your skills can go up? The point of this game is to HAVE FUN !!!!
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:27:43
Originally by: Maul555 the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort.
Well tell me what's exactly the "hard work" part in adding skills to a queue if you please?
Originally by: Maul555 If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. What is the point of working on a character for years anymore?
So basically your accumulation of SP is more important than your experience, player skills, tricks, coorperation? If I buy 10 million SP how does it undo your "work"? I'd say your in-game experience and fun you can make is important. And you can do so much more with more SP .. It's not that no-one plays other games without the time grind.
Originally by: Jeebus ****meister Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know...
No .. every 1 in 500 has a normal acceptable name .. not skilled as you'd like ofc ..
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Sheila Sarani
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 -
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Eve is not imho about max level power gaming but a journey, neverending journey in universe so diffrent than our own. |
Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dopesick
Please go back to WoW, really...
Geez how enlightened? It that all you can add half wit???
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Jeebus Cockmeister
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Moro Oskold
Originally by: Jeebus ****meister
Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx.
Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know...
Sure Jeebus ****meister
*facepalm*
The irony, she did not appreciate it
Although in fairness Jeebus was an alt made for Hulkageddon and has almost zero sp.
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Jaxom Asgard
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maul555 what is the point of working on a character for years anymore?
So you can sell it on the Character Bizarre? Oh wait doesn't that cheapen it so there's no reason to play any more?
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Kinta Huron
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kinta Huron on 27/06/2011 17:31:07
I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it favors older characters with deep enough sp pools, but that can also depend on what the player actually wants to do as well.
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Thomas Orca
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Thomas Orca
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid.
... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarriers at the same time?
Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2.
I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in.
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kinta Huron I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it can favor characters with a deep enough sp pool, depending on what the player actually wants to do.
I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps.
Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp.
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:38:00 -
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Thought this troll was weeeaaa***. Until I saw all the replies!
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57
Originally by: Thomas Orca
Quote: Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2.
I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in.
I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think.
Originally by: Akira Samposeppa I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps.
Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp.
Yes imagine we could change our ship's fitting! OMG!! GAME BREAKING!! |
Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Pastachick on 27/06/2011 17:45:32
Originally by: Jaxom Asgard
Originally by: Maul555 what is the point of working on a character for years anymore?
So you can sell it on the Character Bizarre? Oh wait doesn't that cheapen it so there's no reason to play any more?
Wait so your plan in eve is to skill-up characters then sell them ? Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ?
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Zwielichtseher
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:49:00 -
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Me agrees with OP I would buy SP if i could.
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Thomas Orca
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Orca on 27/06/2011 17:54:00
Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57
I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think.
I actually included large ECM drones for ****s and giggles, I suspect what you're doing wrong is training things that can stay at 4 to 5.
Originally by: Akira Samposeppa
I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps.
Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp.
Can you change fittings in warp when fleet warping with a carrier? never tried.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ?
Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig....
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Pastachick
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ?
Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig....
Yes,um,how, wow.
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